[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 3636, Issue 1
Stephen Beaver
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> 1. Cabin light fixtures (Warren Updike)
> 2. Re: Cabin light fixtures (Christian)
> 3. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 3635, Issue 1 (Stephen Beaver)
> 4. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Ade Bateman)
> 5. Re: Expired Flare Kits (SCHWARTZ)
> 6. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Jack Brennan)
> 7. Re: Expired Flare Kits (sail-ability at sympatico.ca)
> 8. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Troy Dunn)
> 9. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Dave Hupe)
> 10. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Doug Treff)
> 11. Exhaust Mixing Elbow? (islgirl3 at aol.com)
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> Christian, in Sept 1990 your posted about replacing your two cabin center light fistures with LunaSea 9 LED model:. I need to replace mine, but on the old hulls (ours #62) prior to the change to halogen bulbs the fixtures are smaller and so are the openings for them. What is you hull number? And, was this an issue for you?
> If anyone else has suggestions for replacing fixtures please chime in.
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> Warren & Pattie Updike
> C320 1994 #62 "Warr de Mar"
> Middle River, MD (Chesapeake Bay)
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> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:46:46 -0600
> From: Christian <ccaper at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cabin light fixtures
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> Warren,
> My hull is #138, my fixtures were NOT halogen, but traditional car dome
> style incandescent bullet lights. My two center cabin lights are the same
> as the side lights and galley lights (minus the fluorescent light above the
> stove). The LunaSea 9 LED model fit just fine (plenty of room). I used
> red lights in the two center, and warm white on the side and galley
> lights. Am VERY happy with the color of the warm white (can't even tell
> they are LED).
>
> Here is the PDF giving the measurements of the 9 LED light:
> https://www.lunasealighting.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/LLx-189x-21-xx.pdf
>
> It has the width as 23mm, or .92", should you want to measure your domes.
>
> I'm sure you know this, but be VERY careful popping the dome lens' off as
> they have gotten brittle over the years, and are no longer available.
> Inside the dome lens there is a rubber o-ring. I lightly greased mine to
> keep it from rotting. And since the LED lights don't need to be replaced
> as often, I coated the bullet of the LED light with some dielectric grease
> to minimize corrosion.
>
> -Christian Caperton
> 1994 C320 #138 "Canuck"
> Chicago, IL Monroe Harbor
>
>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 3:16 PM Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Christian, in Sept 1990 your posted about replacing your two cabin center
>> light fistures with LunaSea 9 LED model:. I need to replace mine, but on
>> the old hulls (ours #62) prior to the change to halogen bulbs the fixtures
>> are smaller and so are the openings for them. What is you hull number? And,
>> was this an issue for you?
>> If anyone else has suggestions for replacing fixtures please chime in.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> C320 1994 #62 "Warr de Mar"
>> Middle River, MD (Chesapeake Bay)
>>
>>
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>> 1. Re: Expired Flare Kits (David Nolte)
>> 2. Re: Expired Flare Kits (David Nolte)
>> 3. Re: Expired Flare Kits (cdickhut2 at aol.com)
>> 4. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Allan Field)
>> 5. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Graeme Clark)
>> 6. Re: Expired Flare Kits (jason reynolds)
>> 7. Re: Expired Flare Kits (jason reynolds)
>> 8. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Brian McLamb)
>> 9. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Michael Leschisin)
>> 10. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Jon Vez)
>> 11. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Joe Geiger)
>> 12. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Joe Jablonowski)
>> 13. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Utility Email)
>> 14. Re: Expired Flare Kits (Doug Treff)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 10:15:55 -0500
>> From: David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Cc: Catalina Assoc <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID: <6812D5BF-BAF8-4D81-8CE4-779A302D3456 at mac.com>
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>> Hi!
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>
>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> David Nolte
>> Beach House 0004
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 10:15:55 -0500
>> From: David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Cc: Catalina Assoc <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID: <6812D5BF-BAF8-4D81-8CE4-779A302D3456 at mac.com>
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>> Hi!
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>
>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> David Nolte
>> Beach House 0004
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:25:16 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: cdickhut2 at aol.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID: <2060403189.10768798.1578929116976 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>> David,
>> Not sure July 4th is a good idea. Fire companies may help you. I keep outdated flares on board separate from current flares. My thought is even if some of the outdated flares don't work having extra flares seems like a good idea.
>> Chuck DickhutUSGC Licensed CaptainS/V ObsessionCatalina 320 #114
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com>
>> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Cc: Catalina Assoc <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 10:16 am
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>
>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> David Nolte
>> Beach House 0004
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:30:07 +0100
>> From: Allan Field <allanfield47 at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID:
>> <CA+tGYSb1vCoUoP+YYLq5yrjwRw0-zjviWTVy0TtZpUC8cmfpmQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> I gave a bag of them to the Coast Guard station Oxford a few years ago and
>> they were much appreciated.
>>
>> Allan S. Field
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 3:16 PM David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>
>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> David Nolte
>>> Beach House 0004
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:33:15 +0000
>> From: Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID: <08B95703-8D01-4403-B8D5-2EDB113896D3 at skyflyer.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> David
>> In the UK it is common practice for sellers of new kits to offer to dispose of the old kit when you replace it. Maybe worth asking in the USA?
>>
>> We also are able to make an appointment with local Coastguard who will dispose of them but you can?t just turn up uninvited!
>>
>> I git rid of mine at 00:01 on 1st January, albeit from home, 250 miles from the nearest coastline!
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>> Sent from my phone. Excuse typos!
>>
>>> On 13 Jan 2020, at 15:15, David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>
>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> David Nolte
>>> Beach House 0004
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:33:34 +0000
>> From: jason reynolds <jereyns at hotmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List at catalina320.com" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Cc: Catalina Assoc <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID:
>> <QB1PR01MB3506D3EE23470A2445E51AEDB3350 at QB1PR01MB3506.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Check with your local harbor master they often take them to use for drills and training
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 10:15 AM, David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>
>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> David Nolte
>>> Beach House 0004
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:33:34 +0000
>> From: jason reynolds <jereyns at hotmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List at catalina320.com" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Cc: Catalina Assoc <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID:
>> <QB1PR01MB3506D3EE23470A2445E51AEDB3350 at QB1PR01MB3506.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Check with your local harbor master they often take them to use for drills and training
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 10:15 AM, David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>
>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> David Nolte
>>> Beach House 0004
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 10:34:30 -0500
>> From: Brian McLamb <bjcnmclamb at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAEZi75Ka6LuYjCbNvHE2EqAVM+VG_9ZoQ7ejyUYJ7ADruAokAA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Hello David. I had this same issue a couple of years ago and here is my
>> saga. Local fire department and US Coast Guard Aux had no rules to cover
>> such items, and would not accept them for disposal. I continued to pursue
>> the matter all the way to the NC State Fire Marshall's Office and they
>> could find no state guidelines for disposal. Universal answer that I
>> received was to soak the flare completely submerged in a large tub or
>> bucket for at least 24 hours, The longer the better for complete
>> saturation. Once this has been done you can throw them away in the normal
>> trash disposal. I do not know where you are located so perhaps a different
>> state fire marshal could give you a different answer. Also, you could save
>> them for back-ups to your new flares. I replaced mine with the strobe
>> light approved by the US Coast Guard for distress signaling. It is battery
>> operated and may be purchesed at several marine distributors including WM.
>> It holds up very well and is extremely bright. It even blinks SOS
>> automatically on one of its settings.
>>
>> Brian McLamb
>> s/v Serenity #1075
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:16 AM David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>
>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> David Nolte
>>> Beach House 0004
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 10:10:22 -0600
>> From: Michael Leschisin <mleschisin at imagestudios.com>
>> To: "C320-List at catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID: <C45978A5-62F0-4B40-A90B-503FE690E4A8 at imagestudios.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Hey Dave,
>>
>> I always drop mine off at the local fire department. They?re happy to take them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Leschisin
>> #995, Wild Blue Yonder
>> Menominee, MI
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 9:15 AM, David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>
>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> David Nolte
>>> Beach House 0004
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:13:35 -0500
>> From: Jon Vez <jonvez at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID: <E7425E91-2955-47EA-9B51-7A70374FE5B3 at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> This is exactly the same scenario we experienced in MA. After 30 years of boating, backup flares become a problem. Our solution was to also buy an electronic flare and had friends bring our old flares to their farm in VT and light them! They all worked, even the very old ones. Very frustrating when trying to do the right thing!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Brian McLamb <bjcnmclamb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Hello David. I had this same issue a couple of years ago and here is my
>>> saga. Local fire department and US Coast Guard Aux had no rules to cover
>>> such items, and would not accept them for disposal. I continued to pursue
>>> the matter all the way to the NC State Fire Marshall's Office and they
>>> could find no state guidelines for disposal. Universal answer that I
>>> received was to soak the flare completely submerged in a large tub or
>>> bucket for at least 24 hours, The longer the better for complete
>>> saturation. Once this has been done you can throw them away in the normal
>>> trash disposal. I do not know where you are located so perhaps a different
>>> state fire marshal could give you a different answer. Also, you could save
>>> them for back-ups to your new flares. I replaced mine with the strobe
>>> light approved by the US Coast Guard for distress signaling. It is battery
>>> operated and may be purchesed at several marine distributors including WM.
>>> It holds up very well and is extremely bright. It even blinks SOS
>>> automatically on one of its settings.
>>>
>>> Brian McLamb
>>> s/v Serenity #1075
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:16 AM David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>>
>>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> David Nolte
>>>> Beach House 0004
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:24:55 -0500
>> From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID: <F94E7594-9B97-45B1-A8D5-97A1FD57C166 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Having just acquired a 20 year old boat full of expired flares I had the same issue. I live in central MA and have been able to drop them off my local fire department. I called first to see if they would take them.
>>
>> I think it?s a good idea to set off a couple expired ones so you know what to expect when you do need to use them. I found out they drip molten hot material and I burned a hole in my favorite pants :( Now I know to keep them over the water and away from clothing, canvas, lines and sails when using them on the boat.
>>
>> --
>> Joe Geiger
>> ?Vega? Hull #722
>> Greenwich Cove, RI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Jon Vez <jonvez at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is exactly the same scenario we experienced in MA. After 30 years of boating, backup flares become a problem. Our solution was to also buy an electronic flare and had friends bring our old flares to their farm in VT and light them! They all worked, even the very old ones. Very frustrating when trying to do the right thing!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Brian McLamb <bjcnmclamb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Hello David. I had this same issue a couple of years ago and here is my
>>>> saga. Local fire department and US Coast Guard Aux had no rules to cover
>>>> such items, and would not accept them for disposal. I continued to pursue
>>>> the matter all the way to the NC State Fire Marshall's Office and they
>>>> could find no state guidelines for disposal. Universal answer that I
>>>> received was to soak the flare completely submerged in a large tub or
>>>> bucket for at least 24 hours, The longer the better for complete
>>>> saturation. Once this has been done you can throw them away in the normal
>>>> trash disposal. I do not know where you are located so perhaps a different
>>>> state fire marshal could give you a different answer. Also, you could save
>>>> them for back-ups to your new flares. I replaced mine with the strobe
>>>> light approved by the US Coast Guard for distress signaling. It is battery
>>>> operated and may be purchesed at several marine distributors including WM.
>>>> It holds up very well and is extremely bright. It even blinks SOS
>>>> automatically on one of its settings.
>>>>
>>>> Brian McLamb
>>>> s/v Serenity #1075
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:16 AM David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>>>
>>>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> David Nolte
>>>>> Beach House 0004
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:29:31 -0500
>> From: Joe Jablonowski <appleton1 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID: <A862246E-C9CA-4B1E-8F16-75814A70689F at yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Our yacht club organizes a ?Flare Off? every other year.
>> Saturday morning in early May (when the harbor is still relatively empty).
>> Opportunity for crew to learn by doing, conquer fear.
>> Coast Guard, police, firefighters all notified in advance and immediately prior on Ch 16.
>> - Joe Jablonowski
>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Michael Leschisin <mleschisin at imagestudios.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Dave,
>>>
>>> I always drop mine off at the local fire department. They?re happy to take them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Leschisin
>>> #995, Wild Blue Yonder
>>> Menominee, MI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 9:15 AM, David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>>
>>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> David Nolte
>>>> Beach House 0004
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 09:10:03 -0800
>> From: Utility Email <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID: <9DFA6B8A-D0AB-40F3-9EB8-A9C40F898749 at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Fourth of July fun and for experience too!
>>
>> Dave
>>
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>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Joe Jablonowski <appleton1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Our yacht club organizes a ?Flare Off? every other year.
>>> Saturday morning in early May (when the harbor is still relatively empty).
>>> Opportunity for crew to learn by doing, conquer fear.
>>> Coast Guard, police, firefighters all notified in advance and immediately prior on Ch 16.
>>> - Joe Jablonowski
>>>
>>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Michael Leschisin <mleschisin at imagestudios.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Dave,
>>>>
>>>> I always drop mine off at the local fire department. They?re happy to take them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Leschisin
>>>> #995, Wild Blue Yonder
>>>> Menominee, MI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 9:15 AM, David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>>>
>>>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> David Nolte
>>>>> Beach House 0004
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 13:13:06 -0600
>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>> Message-ID: <14fb6f2d-2408-4ddf-94f5-ae4e52e902df at www.fastmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> David,
>>
>> Since you're in Maryland, you may find this useful. The Annapolis City FD will take them.
>>
>> http://www.spinsheet.com/flare-disposal-annapolis
>>
>> Drop off unused flares to the Annapolis Fire Department headquarters
>> Location: 1790 Forest Drive M-F 8:30-4:30.
>>
>> --
>> Doug Treff
>> doug at treff.us
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, at 9:15 AM, David Nolte wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>>
>>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> David Nolte
>>> Beach House 0004
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 3635, Issue 1
>> ******************************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 22:33:39 +0000
> From: Ade Bateman <ade.bateman at outlook.com>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
> Message-ID:
> <MWHPR14MB11179B3AA72D6667C6A16D0BE2350 at MWHPR14MB1117.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> In Seattle, the local hazardous waste management sites will take flares for free: https://apps.lhwmp.org/GetRidOfIt/#/46
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of David Nolte
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 7:16 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Cc: Catalina Assoc <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>
> Hi!
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>
> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Nolte
> Beach House 0004
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:15:21 -0500 (EST)
> From: SCHWARTZ <schwartz781 at optimum.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, Ade Bateman <ade.bateman at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
> Message-ID: <1566301114.849368.1578957321028 at mymail.optimum.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Ahoy.....A few years ago I bought a C.G. approved battery flasher..... hope to never buy flares again..... Joe...#245
>
>> On January 13, 2020 at 5:33 PM Ade Bateman <ade.bateman at outlook.com mailto:ade.bateman at outlook.com > wrote:
>>
>>
>> In Seattle, the local hazardous waste management sites will take flares for free: https://apps.lhwmp.org/GetRidOfIt/#/46
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com > On Behalf Of David Nolte
>> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 7:16 AM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Cc: Catalina Assoc <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com mailto:c320-list at lists.catalina320.com >
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of old Flare Kits?
>>
>> Local Fire Department? Set them off on the 4th of July? Other?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> David Nolte
>> Beach House 0004
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:18:18 -0500
> From: Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
> Message-ID:
> <mailman.64783.1579031238.7167.c320-list-catalina320.com at lists.catalina320.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> So here?s a question: Has anyone ever actually used a flare in an emergency?
>
> Forty years of off and on sailing, and I?ve only used one once, when I was young and stupid. I had my first sailboat, a 19-footer, and a friend of mine and I sailed it from Pompano Beach, Fl., to Key Largo.
>
> The motor and the wind died, of course, so we were still off Largo Sound when the sun set. We tossed the anchor, but a strong tide out of the sound sent us dragging toward Hawk?s Channel.
>
> Smart boys that we were, we set off a flare gun and then a flare in hopes of getting someone to tow us in. There were some boats around, and some houses on shore, but we would have died of old age waiting for someone to see and respond to the flares.
>
> We learned a valuable lesson ? don?t rely on anyone else for help -- and repaired the outboard in the dark as we dragged slowly toward the reefs.
>
> These days, cell phones and VHFs are much more important than flares unless you are going across oceans.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:30:33 -0500
> From: sail-ability at sympatico.ca
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
> Message-ID: <E605E588-4440-4F58-A290-8C41C2E7F2BF at sympatico.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I agree wholeheartedly, and the Canadian Coast Guard has used this reasoning to reduce the #of flares on our size boat from 12 to 6. Now if they use good sense they will abandon pyrotechnics and authorize the electronic flares. A friend of mine said the most likely use of the pyrotechnic flares is an accidental discharge setting fire to your boat?
> JEM
> 1999#574
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 6:18 PM, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> So here?s a question: Has anyone ever actually used a flare in an emergency?
>>
>> Forty years of off and on sailing, and I?ve only used one once, when I was young and stupid. I had my first sailboat, a 19-footer, and a friend of mine and I sailed it from Pompano Beach, Fl., to Key Largo.
>>
>> The motor and the wind died, of course, so we were still off Largo Sound when the sun set. We tossed the anchor, but a strong tide out of the sound sent us dragging toward Hawk?s Channel.
>>
>> Smart boys that we were, we set off a flare gun and then a flare in hopes of getting someone to tow us in. There were some boats around, and some houses on shore, but we would have died of old age waiting for someone to see and respond to the flares.
>>
>> We learned a valuable lesson ? don?t rely on anyone else for help -- and repaired the outboard in the dark as we dragged slowly toward the reefs.
>>
>> These days, cell phones and VHFs are much more important than flares unless you are going across oceans.
>>
>> Jack Brennan
>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 19:59:15 -0500
> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
> Message-ID:
> <CA+rGV8YS70Q-d0KkMO0Q7K9p1MFyoha1U-RR2N3WWC5VrzVrQg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Interesting thread. This topic came up in a class once. Our ASA
> instructor was also a USCG employee and he mention that on top of the
> disposal issue it might actually be considered a crime to intentionally set
> of a distress flare when you are not in distress... I didn?t see anyone
> else mention this so I figured I?d chime in. The other thing he
> mentioned was that there does not appear to be a law that says you can't
> carry expired flares. You just need to show you have unexpired flares.
> The expired ones will probably still work so use those first.
>
> Not sure if any of the above has changed in the last few years. We opted
> for the battery powered flare when ours expired.
>
>
> Troy Dunn
> Hull #514
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
> Message-ID: <861392092.10336117.1578966749814 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Troy-
> Good message ...? !
> Keep old/expired flares and use first ?.. very likely will work when needed.
> Buy only as many new flares as required by USCG, or get battery operated approved electronic flare.
> Dave Hupe
> 1994 C320 (#32)
> Holland, MI
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 13:25:28 -0600
> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Expired Flare Kits
> Message-ID: <0d0d3393-2c5d-4a4b-a990-b1aada964e8b at www.fastmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>
> I agree with the keeping old ones - however, when it comes to the 12 gauge aerial flares, I would use the new ones first, then go to the old ones if needed later.
>
> If the old ones are duds and jam in the gun, you now have a jammed gun with an unstable flare in it. Not an ideal situation in a life-threatening emergency situation.
>
> See the blog post below.
>
> https://wherethecoconutsgrow.com/2014/01/are-expired-marine-flares-still-safe/
>
> --
> Doug Treff
> doug at treff.us
>
>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Dave Hupe wrote:
>> Troy-
>> Good message ...? !
>> Keep old/expired flares and use first ?.. very likely will work when
>> needed.
>> Buy only as many new flares as required by USCG, or get battery
>> operated approved electronic flare.
>> Dave Hupe
>> 1994 C320 (#32)
>> Holland, MI
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 19:47:13 +0000 (UTC)
> From: islgirl3 at aol.com
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Exhaust Mixing Elbow?
> Message-ID: <1139962772.11449623.1579031233690 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Has anyone replaced there existing mixing elbow with the one found in the link below?
>
> http://exhaustelbow.com/images/2GM%20PP.jpg
>
> Rich NuzzoloBarbara Rita?897
>
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