[C320-list] Muffler drain valve
Fishbust
fishbuster62 at att.net
Sat Jul 4 03:28:55 PDT 2020
Yes, the drain valves are sometimes “crud traps”. I always stick wire in them to make sure they are clear and everything fully drains.
All these valves should be operated at times, cleaned out and threads cleaned so they will move when we need them to move.
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 13:41:32 -0500
> From: "P.F. Ross" <pfrstl at gmail.com>
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> Kevin,
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> 1. Re: Drain aqua lift muffler? Engine won't start after
> charging batteries overnight (P.F. Ross)
> 2. Re: Drain aqua lift muffler? Engine won't start after
> charging batteries overnight (Dave Hupe)
> 3. Re: Drain aqua lift muffler? Engine won't start after
> charging batteries overnight (Christian)
> 4. Re: Drain aqua lift muffler? Engine won't start after
> charging batteries overnight (Jeff Smith)
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 13:41:32 -0500
> From: "P.F. Ross" <pfrstl at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Drain aqua lift muffler? Engine won't start
> after charging batteries overnight
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> Kevin,
>
> In my experience those drain valves are easily clogged, especially if not
> used very often.
>
> I have never opened mine, and after 25 years, would not expect to see much,
> if anything, coming out of it.
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 1:36 PM P.F. Ross <pfrstl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I confess.
>>
>> Frank Ross
>> Beta Wave #206
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 12:52 PM Harry Juris <harry at citron-too.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kevin, If you are an idiot, I am too for the same reason. (I wonder how
>>> many others will confess)
>>>
>>> Harry
>>> Polar Star 1998 C320 #541
>>> Nyack Boat Club, Nyack NY
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
>>> Kevin Rooney
>>> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 1:48 PM
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Drain aqua lift muffler? Engine won't start
>>> after charging batteries overnight
>>>
>>> Problems resolved. The engine is running.
>>>
>>> And I am an idiot! :)
>>>
>>> Thank you everyone who weighed in. I can?t tell you how much I appreciate
>>> it.
>>>
>>> The run down batteries threw me off the track of something that was
>>> embarrassingly simple.
>>>
>>> Because the shore power cord was ajar and not charging I focused getting
>>> those recharged. When the boat would not start when the batteries were
>>> again in good shape I thought I may need to drain the aqua lift muffler
>>> because I?d read that might be needed after too much cranking.
>>>
>>> When that did not help I was out of ideas and was trying to think of any
>>> dumb little thing that I hadn?t checked before calling for professional
>>> help (which I probably would not have been able to get on a holiday
>>> weekend).
>>>
>>> I went to the binnacle and noticed that the T-shaped handle that we pull
>>> up to shut off the engine was not down all the way! I pushed it down, and
>>> dud, the engine started right up.
>>>
>>> And yeah, I?m an idiot. :)
>>>
>>> I want to also thank Jeffrey who sent his phone number. I had figured out
>>> the issue a couple minutes earlier, but wow, that?s above and beyond normal
>>> help. I called him anyway (great guy).
>>>
>>> I hope you all have a great holiday, and be safe.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>> S/V Cecilia Ann, #211
>>> Deale, MD
>>> http://kevjot.com/boat/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:14 PM Jeffrey Brown <oceanblues at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kevin, call me 9493505123
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Kevin Rooney <krooney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, thanks. No water at all has come out of the drain valve. Is that
>>>>> something to be concerned about?
>>>>>
>>>>> If not then it appears this has nothing to do with the reason the
>>>>> engine won?t turn over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Battery #1 seems to fully charged now and battery #2 is at 80+%.
>>>>>
>>>>> I took the boat out without incident last Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have tips on online resources for troubleshooting marine
>>>>> diesels that won?t start? I?m obviously not much of a mechanic but
>>>>> I?m willing to tackle stuff to (hopefully) figure it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ugh. What a way to start a holiday weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>> S/V Cecilia Ann, #211
>>>>> Deale, MD
>>>>> http://kevjot.com/boat/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:20 PM Harry Juris <harry at citron-too.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it works, you will see water coming out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>> Polar Star 1998 C320 #541
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Kevin Rooney
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 12:00 PM
>>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Drain aqua lift muffler? Engine won't
>>>>>> start
>>>> after
>>>>>> charging batteries overnight
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the reply, Jeffrey.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I just start twisting things can you (or anyone) confirm
>>>>>> that
>>>> this
>>>>>> is what I turn? (see photo at link)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://kevjot.com/boat/muffler.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it is, will I hear it drain? In other words, how will I know it
>>>> worked?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> S/V Cecilia Ann, #211
>>>>>> Deale, MD
>>>>>> http://kevjot.com/boat/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jeffrey Brown <oceanblues at mac.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>> There should be a little valve at the low point of the muffler,
>>>>>>> just open it up.
>>>>>>> Jeff Brown
>>>>>>> "Out of the blue" Dana Point, CA
>>>>>>> Catalina 320, Hull 78
>>>>>>> (949) 350-5123
>>>>>>> oceanblues at mac.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Kevin Rooney <krooney at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I got to the boat (1995, #211) yesterday evening and tried to
>>>>>>>> start the engine to no avail. I found that my AGM batteries were
>>>>>>>> low (they're only 2-years-old), which led me to realize that the
>>>>>>>> shore power line was ajar enough to keep juice from getting to the
>>> boat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The fridge had been running down the batteries for 4 days in hot
>>>>>> weather.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I let the batteries charge overnight. They appear to be OK now. I
>>>>>>>> don't know much about electrical stuff but it certainly seems
>>>>>>>> that it should
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>> start the engine with one battery showing a voltage of 12.6 and
>>>>>>>> the other 12.4.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Photos of voltmeter: http://kevjot.com/boat/battery.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Might I need to drain the Aqua Lift muffler because of too much
>>>>>> cranking?
>>>>>>>> If so, how do I do that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of any other ideas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any tips would be greatly appreciated!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>> S/V Cecilia Ann, #211
>>>>>>>> Deale, MD
>>>>>>>> http://kevjot.com/boat/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> sent via mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>> --
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>>>
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 18:58:01 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Drain aqua lift muffler? Engine won't start
> after charging batteries overnight
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> Several folks have said they have never used the muffler drain.? As I said, I've checked it a couple times when I think I should drain it after extended cranking, but nothing came out.? ?So, I am wondering if it is plugged up.? Not having the ability to drain it could ultimately lead to a big problem? (flooding the engine by a backup into the exhaust elbow??).?
> I may try soon to unthread the whole drain petcock assembly from the muffler to check out? if it is functional and if there is a backup of sediment in the muffler near the drain. Either situation should be fairly easy to remedy (assuming I don't crack the muffler unthreading the assembly.? Installing a new drain petcock probably would be a good idea too if I go to that level of effort.? Anyone have experience with this?
> Comforting to have so many say they also forgot to push the fuel shutoff T-handle back in after shutdown? (and that was why they had hard starting later).
> Dave Hupe
> 1994 C320 (#32)? ?
>
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 14:02:36 -0500
> From: Christian <ccaper at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Drain aqua lift muffler? Engine won't start
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> Kevin, I've done the exact same thing on open water and panicked, you are
> in good company.
> Christian 1994 C320 #138 "Canuck" Monroe Harbor Chicago, IL
>
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 1:35 PM Kevin Rooney <krooney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Dave (and Harry for your kind words).
>>
>> Aside from the now-resolved engine starting issue might the fact that no
>> water came out of the muffler be a problem?
>>
>> I?ve heard those mufflers are prone to cracks and I have a particularly old
>> 320 (?95). I did notice some water around it. I didn?t see any obvious
>> cracks but I didn?t inspect it to closely.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:29 PM Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not dumb Kevin.......especially when something goes sour. I've
>>> forgotten too many times to push the fuel shutoff t-handle back in.
>>> Luckily, whenever I crank slightly too long, that is the first thing now
>> I
>>> look at.
>>> I am surprised though about the muffler drain situation (no drainage).
>>> I've had a couple times of long cranking, but no accumulation of water in
>>> the muffler. So, I thought maybe the muffler drain was plugged up. Can
>>> anyone offer any insight about that?
>>> Have a great holiday everyone. The C320 gang is a phenomenal resource.
>>> Dave Hupe1994 C320 (#32)
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 15:11:45 -0400
> From: Jeff Smith <jeffreyssmith at live.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Drain aqua lift muffler? Engine won't start
> after charging batteries overnight
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> Dave,
>
> This does not answer your question, but I simply close the thru-hull for the raw water pump if I spend more than 10 or 15 seconds turning the engine over. For me, the 15 - 20 seconds it runs without raw water is less of a worry than if I accidentally flood the engine. My reasoning is it will take at least a few minutes to come up to temp, and I already have some water in the circuit.
>
> I used to be deathly afraid to start it without the thru-Hull open; now, I am not nearly as fearful (as maybe I should be).
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 3, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Several folks have said they have never used the muffler drain. As I said, I've checked it a couple times when I think I should drain it after extended cranking, but nothing came out. So, I am wondering if it is plugged up. Not having the ability to drain it could ultimately lead to a big problem (flooding the engine by a backup into the exhaust elbow??).
>> I may try soon to unthread the whole drain petcock assembly from the muffler to check out if it is functional and if there is a backup of sediment in the muffler near the drain. Either situation should be fairly easy to remedy (assuming I don't crack the muffler unthreading the assembly. Installing a new drain petcock probably would be a good idea too if I go to that level of effort. Anyone have experience with this?
>> Comforting to have so many say they also forgot to push the fuel shutoff T-handle back in after shutdown (and that was why they had hard starting later).
>> Dave Hupe
>> 1994 C320 (#32)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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