[C320-list] Lifeline replacement
Fishbust
fishbuster62 at att.net
Fri Jul 10 13:13:11 PDT 2020
Hi and thanks to all on the lifeline input.
The easiest path for me would be the Catalina direct kit. But in their description it states their kit puts the pelican hook forward to facilitate using it at the dock. Mine are aft and I need them that way because I leave mine open on mooring. Open gates with the loop aft could get caught on the launch boat. This is my only issue with the kit and will call tech support before ordering in the Fall to make sure I have all the fittings to set it up right.
As long as people are saying the hand crimps are considered safe enough to trust them. Otherwise I will ship them and reuse reasonable fittings and have them machine crimped.
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> We replaced our lifelines last year with the Catalina direct kit. Everything pre-measured and has pelican clips, turnbuckles and a hand crimping tool.
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 20:36:23 -0400
> From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com>
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> We replaced our lifelines last year with the Catalina direct kit. Everything pre-measured and has pelican clips, turnbuckles and a hand crimping tool.
>
> They also offer two styles; bear or coated for under $700.
>
> Joe
> --
> Joe Geiger
> Vega #722
> Greenwich Cove, RI
>
>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Fishbust <fishbuster62 at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?I have a 2002 320, hull 902.
>>
>> My coated lifelines are shot and an eyesore. Been looking into what to do. Dyneema is out. Not sure about the johnson hand crimps, if they are good enough, safe enough. The replacement kits at catalina direct don?t seem right to me. They put the gate at the front of the cockpit. My pelican hooks are aft, which is where I need them to be.
>>
>> This leaves Suncor kits as a possible.
>>
>> Seems every option is just under $1,000 to do it.
>> I could use a rigger, have not priced that out but that takes the fun out of a project anyway.
>>
>> I would like to know what path others here have eventually followed for new lifelines.
>>
>> Joe
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 20:44:59 -0400
> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa replacement
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> We purchased Elvstrom sails from Chesapeake Sailmakers. We had a good
> experience, they still answer our calls when we have the occasional
> question about sail shape and trim, and after three years we are incredibly
> happy with our sails. Our sails were 18 years old when we replaced them
> and to be honest...in hindsight....those sails were downright dangerous.
> They were blown out so bad they were really impossible to get trimmed
> properly, and in the typical Chesapeake 10 kts gusting to 20kts without
> warning, the boat tended to roll as opposed to jump forward in the gusts.
> After replacing those sails, we were kicking ourselves for not doing it
> immediately after purchasing the boat. Make sure your sailmaker listens
> to how you use the boat and steers you towards the sails that best suit
> your sailing style and also what your expectations are for both performance
> and durability. Not all sailcloth is created equal...make sure you
> educate yourself on sailcloth quality and characteristics. You can pay a
> lot of money for the wrong sails. You can also get a 'deal' on sails that
> will be blown out in just a few years. Another item to watch out for...
> a lot of the cheap sails are sewing the bolt rope into the entire luff.
> This will be super bad news in a few years when the bolt rope shrinks and
> you end up with a big bill due to the amount of time it will take the
> sailmaker to release that bolt rope and reattach.
>
> Maybe you knew all this, but figured I'd share, I wish someone had
> discussed all this with me when we were sailing those old blown out sails.
>
> FWIW
>
> Troy Dunn
> Hull#514
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 21:19:03 -0400
> From: Melissa&Larry Leibman <theleibmans at verizon.net>
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> Joe,
>
> When I look closely at the CatalinaDirect kit (which I am getting ready to order as well), I believe the lifeline gate sections have the pelican hook at one end and a jaw toggle at the other end. I think you could technically arrange those with the pelican hook at the front or the back.
>
> I have mine aft like you and plan to keep them that way. I think the CatalinaDirect kit will facilitate this unless I?m missing something.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Larry Leibman
> S/V Easy Going
> Hull 609
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 22:31:37 -0600 (MDT)
> From: ROBERT MILLER <r.miller at shaw.ca>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racor filter ?blocked?
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> I bought the kit and will be attempting this Project in the next week or so. My diesel mechanic thought the seals were leaking and allowing fuel to drain back from the engine. I have been needing to pump the Racor a few times to get the engine started, so he may be right.
>
> Rob Miller
> Alchemy, #571
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>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> ? Has anyone tried to rebuild their original Racor (new pump seals. etc.)?
>> Here is a flyer for the unit https://www.parker.com/static_content/parkerimages/Racor/7238%20Rev%20D%20(200%20Series).pdf
>> Dave Hupe
>> 1994 C320 (##2)
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:04:02 +0100
> From: Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racor filter ?blocked?
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> Troy
> I found out (eventually) by removing the filter head and blowing through the fuel inlet!
> I?m not sure if the mechanics but there?s definitely a point between fully out and screwed right in where I. Oils t blow any air!
> Hope that helps
> Graeme
>
> Sent from my phone. Excuse typos!
>
>> On 10 Jul 2020, at 00:42, Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone tried to rebuild their original Racor (new pump seals. etc.)?
>> Here is a flyer for the unit https://www.parker.com/static_content/parkerimages/Racor/7238%20Rev%20D%20(200%20Series).pdf
>> Dave Hupe
>> 1994 C320 (##2)
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 08:23:48 -0400
> From: Bill & Kay Email <wdoc1 at aol.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa replacement
> Message-ID: <8E0A639E-D979-4DED-B0A6-9CBDB9312072 at aol.com>
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> Thank you all for sail input!
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?We purchased Elvstrom sails from Chesapeake Sailmakers. We had a good
>> experience, they still answer our calls when we have the occasional
>> question about sail shape and trim, and after three years we are incredibly
>> happy with our sails. Our sails were 18 years old when we replaced them
>> and to be honest...in hindsight....those sails were downright dangerous.
>> They were blown out so bad they were really impossible to get trimmed
>> properly, and in the typical Chesapeake 10 kts gusting to 20kts without
>> warning, the boat tended to roll as opposed to jump forward in the gusts.
>> After replacing those sails, we were kicking ourselves for not doing it
>> immediately after purchasing the boat. Make sure your sailmaker listens
>> to how you use the boat and steers you towards the sails that best suit
>> your sailing style and also what your expectations are for both performance
>> and durability. Not all sailcloth is created equal...make sure you
>> educate yourself on sailcloth quality and characteristics. You can pay a
>> lot of money for the wrong sails. You can also get a 'deal' on sails that
>> will be blown out in just a few years. Another item to watch out for...
>> a lot of the cheap sails are sewing the bolt rope into the entire luff.
>> This will be super bad news in a few years when the bolt rope shrinks and
>> you end up with a big bill due to the amount of time it will take the
>> sailmaker to release that bolt rope and reattach.
>>
>> Maybe you knew all this, but figured I'd share, I wish someone had
>> discussed all this with me when we were sailing those old blown out sails.
>>
>> FWIW
>>
>> Troy Dunn
>> Hull#514
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:55:44 -0400
> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
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> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Lifeline replacement
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> Joe -
>
> Great feedback - I'm also pondering the same project and I have the same question as the original poster. Was your boat originally set up to have the pelican hooks all the way aft? And if so, were any modifications necessary to any of your existing railing stanchions or stern rail in order to do this install?
>
> I wouldn't mind swapping the direction of the opening gate, as long as the install is not difficult.
>
> --
> Doug Treff
> doug at treff.us
>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Joe Geiger wrote:
>> We replaced our lifelines last year with the Catalina direct kit.
>> Everything pre-measured and has pelican clips, turnbuckles and a hand
>> crimping tool.
>>
>> They also offer two styles; bear or coated for under $700.
>>
>> Joe
>> --
>> Joe Geiger
>> Vega #722
>> Greenwich Cove, RI
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 12:37:03 -0400 (EDT)
> From: FRANK YASKIN <frankya at comcast.net>
> To: "c320-list at catalina320.com" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Lifeline Replacement
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> Fishbust
> Jul 9 (18 hours ago)
> Other recipients: c320... at lists.catalina320.com
> I have a 2002 320, hull 902.
> My coated lifelines are shot and an eyesore. Been looking into what to
> do. Dyneema is out. Not sure about the johnson hand crimps, if they are
> good enough, safe enough. The replacement kits at catalina direct don't
> seem right to me. They put the gate at the front of the cockpit. My
> pelican hooks are aft, which is where I need them to be.
> This leaves Suncor kits as a possible.
> Seems every option is just under $1,000 to do it.
> I could use a rigger, have not priced that out but that takes the fun
> out of a project anyway.
> I would like to know what path others here have eventually followed for
> new lifelines.
> Joe
>
> I just went with the Suncor Quick-Attach. I used 3/16 SS coated.
>
> Got the wire and fittings from Defender, and also rigged it so the gate
> hooks are at the stanchion by the cockpit rather than at the pushpit.
>
> Went by the easy to follow directions (might want to leave maybe a
> 1/64th more coating than specified when trimming the coating). Looks
> great, and needed only open end wrenches, measuring tool and cutters
> capable of cutting 3/16 coated wire. Only tricky part is when you
> handle the little cone that fits around the wire, if it comes apart you
> need 3 hands to position it around the wire. Watch the video they have.
> Very very pleased with it.
>
> See photos at Photo Gallery - Blue Canute
>
> Frank
> Blue Canute
> 1996 C-320 #380
> Westbrook, CT
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:59:47 -0400
> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Lifeline Replacement
> Message-ID: <0ef04ba1-2025-405d-9f0e-bdf159317664 at www.fastmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> I just spoke with a gentleman at Catalina Direct about this project because I need to replace mine as well.
>
> They have two kits:
>
> https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/other-catalinas/lifelines-amp-stanchions/lifeline-kit-standard-c-30-c-310-c-320-no-vinyl/
> This kit will replace the standard lifelines that attach at the rear pulpit exactly. All cutting and swage tools provided to cut and swage one end of every cable because not all lifeline lengths on all model years are the same.
>
> -and-
>
> https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/other-catalinas/lifelines-amp-stanchions/lifeline-deluxe-kit-c-30-c-310-c-320-no-vinyl/
> This kit will retrofit the old style rear pelican hooks and provides additional pieces of hardware that will move the pelican hooks to the stanchion right by the cabin. This gives the added benefit of the lifelines on the forward section of the boat always remaining tight even when the rear section is detached.
>
> No modifications of the pulpit or lifeline stanchions are required for this kit. All additional hardware is included for the retrofit which explains the added cost.
>
>
>
> --
> Doug Treff
> doug at treff.us
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:29:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Lifeline Replacement
> Message-ID: <553015755.5606828.1594409374012 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Looking to follow this thread. We were just talking about replacing ours last week (assuming we keep her).
> Interested in any results. Also any dyneema feedback.? Price comparison and any downsides to dyneema??
>
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> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 12:37 PM, FRANK YASKIN<frankya at comcast.net> wrote: ? Fishbust
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Jul 9 (18 hours ago)
> ? Other recipients:? c320... at lists.catalina320.com
> ? I have a 2002 320, hull 902.
> ? My coated lifelines are shot and an eyesore. Been looking into what to
> ? do. Dyneema is out. Not sure about the johnson hand crimps, if they are
> ? good enough, safe enough. The replacement kits at catalina direct don't
> ? seem right to me. They put the gate at the front of the cockpit. My
> ? pelican hooks are aft, which is where I need them to be.
> ? This leaves Suncor kits as a possible.
> ? Seems every option is just under $1,000 to do it.
> ? I could use a rigger, have not priced that out but that takes the fun
> ? out of a project anyway.
> ? I would like to know what path others here have eventually followed for
> ? new lifelines.
> ? Joe
>
> ? I just went with the Suncor Quick-Attach. I used 3/16 SS coated.
>
> ? Got the wire and fittings from Defender, and also rigged it so the gate
> ? hooks are at the stanchion by the cockpit rather than at the pushpit.
>
> ? Went by the easy to follow directions (might want to leave maybe a
> ? 1/64th more coating than specified when trimming the coating). Looks
> ? great, and needed only open end wrenches, measuring tool and cutters
> ? capable of cutting 3/16 coated wire. Only? tricky part is when you
> ? handle the little cone that fits around the wire, if it comes apart you
> ? need 3 hands to position it around the wire. Watch the video they have.
> ? Very very pleased with it.
>
> ? See photos at Photo Gallery - Blue Canute
>
> ? Frank
> ? Blue Canute
> ? 1996 C-320 #380
> ? Westbrook, CT
>
>
>
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