[C320-list] Catalina 320 owners group on Facebook?

[Ade Bateman]

Kevin,

I'm a little surprised by the stream of messages decrying Facebook and
resisting a move there because I don't think a single person has suggested
moving the group to Facebook. I appreciate you bringing the FB group to
this list's attention as another resource and another group of people who
love their C320s, including some overlapping membership. I was not
previously aware of the FB group.

I also want to echo the thanks for the enormous effort that has gone into
compiling the information available in the list archive and on our web
site. It was a significant factor in my decision to go ahead and buy my
C320 7 years ago and has been a constant aid ever since.

Just so that this message isn't entirely without real content, I will
include that I recently uploaded pictures of removing the compass to the
web site, which I did after searching the e-mail archive and reading past
messages about how to do this.

The photos are here: https://c320.org/mediagallery/album.php?aid=371

Best wishes,

Ade.

-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of Kevin Rooney
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 9:42 AM
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina 320 owners group on Facebook?

Jeff (and everyone),

I'm not super active on this list but certainly have used it from time to
time over the last decade+ and find it to be enormously helpful. Thank you
for what you do and have done with it.

I'm sorry if I ruffled feathers by bringing up the Facebook thing, and I
certainly don't want to peel people off from the association-organized
discussions (and I have nothing to do with managing that group, by the
way). I know Facebook is not for everyone and I am acutely aware of the
pros and cons (I do online political advocacy consulting for a living). I
just thought I'd let people know about a resource for those inclined to use
it. I really love seeing photos of and boats belonging to those I am
conversing with.

To those pointing out FB's business model/privacy issues, I can assure you
that I am intimately aware of these matters, and also know how to limit my
data exposure (to the degree that it is possible).

I truly wish there was a practical alternative to FB. Maybe someday. (In my
view, they are a monopoly and should be broken up, and the U.S. should
adopt Euorpean-style privacy laws, but these are topics for a different
forum.)

Kevin
S/V Cecilia Ann, #211
Deale, MD
http://kevjot.com/boat/



On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:30 AM Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com> wrote:

> Facebook groups are searchable, but they have their place.   I belong to
> at least a dozen discussion groups there and they are really suitable for
> social, ongoing/current events and general communication. On the other
> hand, it can be pretty terrible to try to find something you read a while
> back.  These are chronological discussions with often real content lost in
> nested comments.  If I don't save posts or "like" them it can be a real
> beast to locate that answer again in a few years or even a few months
> later.
>
> Consider that our Google Group c320-list has threaded and google
> searchable content going back to 2004 as well as offline downloadable
> archives going back even longer. The reasons for disallowing pictures to be
> posted are no longer the same level of concern we had 10 years ago and
> could be changed by simply opening up the c320-list on Google instead of
> having that be the searchable archive.
>
> By opening up the google group for posting and participation directly,
> that would require very little work for anyone and we would still have
> offline downloadable archives for reference.  Members would be able to
> browse discussions, participate by email, web browser or both.  You could
> post pictures and other content and everyone could participate whether they
> had a facebook account or not.
>
> We've managed to avoid much of the discussion list fragmentation over the
> years as new technology options come and go and that's been useful in
> keeping the association together.  (You can read all about that in
> historical discussions had over the years). There have been a few services
> that have come and gone over the years that promised to be the new central
> home for our discussions.  Few of them ended up surviving and would have
> resulted in so much lost historical content.
>
> One overlooked fact is that a central discussion with historical archive
> for this kind of association is a valuable resource to people
> purchasing/selling a c320.  They can look back and read about what previous
> owners were asking about, upgrading and fixing on their actual boat years
> ago.  There's some value in this that gets lost with having discussions
> fragmented across services.  (My opinion)
>
> As a personal side note, I should begin to have more free time later this
> month and we should really continue this discussion.  The Catalina 320
> association does also have an official facebook page in addition to the
> other C320 facebook discussion group.  I'm a member of some of those also.
> Jaime Borrego has volunteered to help with organization and
> implementation.  Perhaps we can find a good way to link all the resources
> and funnel the discussions to the right places.
>
> The Catalina 320 International Association board has some other things in
> the works this year to revamp the membership management and communication
> side of the association.  We'll keep some aspects of the current C320
> website for a while or longer, but will hopefully be moving to a much more
> professional system for managing renewals, contact and member communication
> and the like.
>
> -Jeff Hare
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
> Kevin Rooney
> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 11:31 PM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina 320 owners group on Facebook?
>
> Yeah, I hear ya on all that, Stephen. I know plenty of people who just
> won't use it for a variety of reasons. Lots do, though.
>
> There are certainly pros and cons. I'm a visual person, I guess, and find
> the ease of dealing with images and video to be useful. Note also that a FB
> group IS searchable.
>
> Kevin
> S/V Cecilia Ann, #211
> Deale, MD
> http://kevjot.com/boat/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:16 PM Stephen Cox <scox at timmin.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > > There are certain advantages to the social media group versus an
> > > email list, namely the ease of sharing of images and video, and also
> > > for responding to specific branches of conversations.
> > >
> >
> > And there are quite a few disadvantages too, in particular ease of
> > referencing, filing and finding old messages and threads on Facebook.
> >
> > A large number of people absolutely refuse to use Facebook for a
> > variety of reasons, everyone seems prepared to use email.
> >
> > Email delivers the messages directly to your email client.  There is
> > no need to go and hunt down messages of relevance.
> >
> > Responding to specific branches of conversations can be facilitated
> > through how you display messages in your email client.
> >
> >
> > Just my tow pennies worth,
> >
> > Stephen Cox
> > C320 MKII #320 Tegwen
> >
> >
>
>