[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 3679, Issue 1
pat reynolds
lorasalum at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 27 12:17:48 PDT 2020
Mark On my 1995 I removed the wood strips and cut out areas of the fiberglass in front of the nuts for access. The wood strips cover them up when replaced
On Friday, March 27, 2020, 12:00:46 PM CDT, Mark Cole <boatnboot at me.com> wrote:
Getting your hand, much less a tool to tighten nuts, up under the toerail from inside the cabin is almost impossible. It took me much physical pain and contortion to install a backing plate under one of the lifeline stantions on my boat. I did finally get washers and nuts onto the bolts sticking down through the toerail, but I sure couldn’t get a wrench on the nuts to hold them during tightening. I’m not sure if the hull/deck joint has changed since my early boat, but try reaching up and touching bolts coming through from the stantions before contemplating attaching something to the toerail...
Mark
Fiddler’s Green #8
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 9:33 AM, John morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> Did you try/think about mounting them on top of the toerail? I’ve thought about mounting a fairlead midships on top of the toerail, but haven’t got up the nerve or found a suitable fairlead.
> Cheers
> JohnM
> 1999#574
>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Larry Frank <WindSwept at stx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bev,
>>
>> I permanently installed midship cleats just inside of the toe rail. They are mounted on a block of starboard and thru bolted to the underside of the deck using aluminum backing plates. They is no taking them off! What we do is attach a second sheet on the working side of the genoa using a snap shackle at the clew and route this outside of the lifeline to a block attached to the midship cleat with a short piece of line or a soft shackle and then immediately to the primary winch going under the lifelines. The lead to the winch isn't perfect but it is pretty good. You have to work carefully to switch from the usual sheet to the reaching sheet and you don't probably want to do this if the load on the usual sheet is high. We do not tack or gibe with the reaching sheet rigged. We install it after a tack or jibe and remove it before the next tack or jibe. We only use it when racing. Too much bother otherwise.
>>
>> Larry
>> WindSwept C320 #246
>>
>> On 3/22/20, 3:06 PM, "C320-list on behalf of Bev Wright" <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com on behalf of bev.wright at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> I want to thank everyone for their comments which I will pass along to
>> Quantum for comment. Quantum said it was definitely a sail trim control when
>> reaching. Scott explained how Quantum said it's used to my recollection.
>>
>> Seems that Larry has rigged one on a C-320 - other terms for barber hauler
>> are short sheet and I believe reaching sheet. Larry, I have midship cleats
>> for spring lines but we remove them when sailing to avoid the jib sheets
>> getting caught on them which has happened, but you put a block there which I
>> can do. However, where does the sheet lead to after that?
>>
>> I don't have a toe rail on my C-320 (does anyone?) Also, I have a 150% so
>> it may not be needed as much on a 135%.
>>
>> I may also have misspoken when I said it could replace a whisker pole -
>> Quantum said it might or could in certain situations.
>>
>> I would love to have the EZ Glide adjustable genoa car tracks but will have
>> to wait another year to install.
>>
>> Bev Wright
>> 1993 C-320 "Whoosh" #15
>> Deale, MD (Chesapeake Bay, HHN)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
>> c320-list-request at lists.catalina320.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:26 PM
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: C320-list Digest, Vol 3679, Issue 1
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Barber Hauler (Bev Wright)
>> 2. Re: Barber Hauler (Pat Tormey)
>> 4. Re: Barber Hauler (Chris Burti)
>> 5. Re: Barber Hauler (John morrison)
>> 6. Re: Barber Hauler (Scott Thompson)
>> 7. Re: Barber Hauler (Larry Frank)
>> 8. Re: Hull striping (David Veeneman)
>> 9. Re: Barber Hauler (Jeff Smith)
>> 11. Re: Barber Hauler (Chris Burti)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 20:36:42 -0400
>> From: "Bev Wright" <bev.wright at verizon.net>
>> To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Barber Hauler
>>
>> Hi - does anyone use a barber hauler and, if so, where/how do you rig the
>> block, fairlead and snatch block and do you use the cabin top winch(es)?
>> I've checked the discussion list and it was only mentioned once in 2017 and
>> Chris Burti ( Fair Winds) said he didn't use one. What I've heard from
>> Quantum Sails during a sail trim seminar is that a barber hauler is a useful
>> and versatile jib control adjustment (in lieu of a whisker pole) in reaching
>> (60-140 degrees) during sail racing when sail adjustments may be needed
>> rather than on longer passages going dead downwind and/or the wind is
>> steady, in which case a whisker pole is helpful, but the pole is not as
>> great if the wind is shifty or the race legs are fairly short and reaching.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Bev Wright
>>
>> 1993 C-320 "Whoosh" #15
>>
>> Deale, MD (Chesapeake Bay, HHN)
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 09:55:19 -0400
>> From: Pat Tormey <ptormey at 4square.net>
>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Barber Hauler
>>
>> I've never heard of a Barber Hauler used instead of a whisker pole as they
>> perform different functions.
>>
>> The whisker Pole allows you to keep the sail out while heading downwind in
>> light and fluky wind and the Barber Hauler is used to bring the sail in
>> tighter when heading upwind.
>>
>> The general plan is to bring the jib in closer when already close hauled.
>> Picture your jib sheet coming from the fairlead on the deck, once it's tight
>> that's the closest you can bring it in. What you'd like to do is grab the
>> clew and pull it further inboard, which on most boats will let you point
>> higher. That's what the Barber Hauler does.
>>
>> Hope the summery helps. Here is a link to a better explanation
>>
>> https://www.nauticed.org/sailing-blog/the-barber-hauler-user-guide/
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Pat Tormey
>> s/v Blue Skies
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:16:28 -0400
>> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Barber Hauler
>>
>>
>> Bev,
>> I'm not clear on how one would use a barber hauler on a reach or why, but I
>> thought I would explain why I've never felt the need to use one when
>> pointing on our C-320.
>>
>> First, the genoa tracks on the deck that we use for our 135% genny are so
>> far inboard that you easily can put the sail on the spreader when sheeting
>> the Genoa in, so I know of nothing that a barber hauler has to offer there.
>>
>>
>> Second, the cabin top tracks are even further inboard and if you were using
>> them while flying a 110% jib, bringing the clew over with a barber hauler
>> would choke off the slot and you would lose more than you gained by making a
>> point closer to windward.
>>
>> One of the best investments that we have made is for a set of Garhauer
>> E-Z-Glide adjustable Genoa control blocks. They allow us to trim the Genoa
>> properly from the cockpit with little effort.
>>
>> https://www.garhauermarine.com/track-blocks-accessories/e-z-glide-adjustable
>> -genoa-car-system.html
>>
>> The next link is to my public folder with photos that I've shared with this
>> group. The sailing pictures are Commitment with her original sails in 2017
>> making a bit better than 7 knots on a reach in 17-20 knot winds with gusts
>> to about 24 knots and with no reefs on the main or Genoa, just proper trim.
>> As you can see, we were not heeling excessively and we were not rounding up.
>> This trim was much harder to achieve prior to installing the blocks.
>>
>> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkrGojgsOdUzzS8deafxJaxUzzAf?e=Ia0wJt
>>
>> Fair winds,
>> Chris Burti
>> Commitment #867
>> Farmville, NC
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:32:43 -0400
>> From: John morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Barber Hauler
>>
>> Which model of EZ glide did you purchase?
>> JohnM
>> 1999#574
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:35:25 -0400
>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Barber Hauler
>>
>> When I used to race frostbite on a J105 (no spinnakers or whisker poles
>> allowed, and must stay in the cockpit while racing) we routinely used barber
>> haulers when off the wind. The idea is to move the lead angle further
>> forward to control twist. If you can rig a barber hauler from the toe rail
>> this also permits keeping the clew relatively outboard at the same time,
>> which is good for reaching and running without a pole. The J105 has a much
>> smaller jib and is fractionally rigged so take this feedback with a grain of
>> salt. Btw it's not uncommon on racing boats to use a barber hauler to pull
>> the lead outboard when close reaching. Solves the problem of choking the
>> slot that Chris mentions, while still giving control over twist. And a lot
>> easier to deal with at mark roundings than a pole.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:43:44 -0500
>> From: Larry Frank <WindSwept at stx.rr.com>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Barber Hauler
>>
>> Hi Bev,
>>
>> I too wondered why anyone would use a barber hauler on a reach, 60 - 140
>> degrees off the wind. It sounds to me like there might have been some
>> confusion or mix up of terms on the part of the instructor.
>>
>> On a reach or a run with our boat it is possible that when the traveler is
>> dropped to leeward or the mainsheet is eased the main will begin to block
>> airflow to the headsail but before you can use a whisker. In situations
>> like this I rig what we call a reaching sheet that is lead through a block
>> attached to our midship cleat. This has the effect of moving the clew of
>> the headsail further outboard allowing better airflow. This can help even
>> when the headsail appears to be filled and pulling the boat along. On some
>> boat designs there will be both an inboard and outboard genoa track just for
>> this purpose. Others have a toe rail that is aluminum and has holes every
>> six inches or so where a block can be attached. Using a midship cleat It is
>> not an ideal setup as you cannot move the block forward and aft for a better
>> adjustment but in the right conditions it does help some. Maybe this is
>> what the person was thinking of. I suspect this is the case because of his
>> comments about a whi sker pole and the wind angle of 60 - 140 degrees.
>>
>> By the way I added midship cleats to WindSwept as many others have but
>> Whoosh may not be so equipped. I would not add the cleats just to use as
>> described here.
>>
>> Larry
>> WindSwept C320 #246
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 14:10:24 -0400
>> From: Jeff Smith <jeffreyssmith at live.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Barber Hauler
>>
>> I preface this by saying I am still refining my sailing skills.
>>
>> We used a barber hauler on a J-120 in the 2019 Annapolis to Newport race. To
>> be honest, it felt like a lot of work to rig it (we were heeled over about
>> 20 degrees) and we made very little improvements in speed or pointing (we
>> were on a close reach). With the fetch, wind speed and direction, it was
>> hard enough to hold a track +/- 10 degrees. I got the sense that the barber
>> hauler makes very fine adjustments with very incremental gains (which I
>> realize can be the difference between winning and losing) if the conditions
>> are right, but did not seem like something I would use.
>>
>> I, too, have the Garhauser EZ slide blocks (though the J-120 did, as well).
>> That seems to be the adjustments that I need, and it is nice to be able to
>> make all adjustments from the cockpit.
>>
>> For what it is worth,
>>
>> Jeff
>> ?94, #121, S/V Sailmates
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 14:26:24 -0400
>> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Barber Hauler
>>
>> John,
>> EZG-3
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chris Burti
>> Commitment #867
>>
>>
>>
>>
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