[C320-list] LOOSING THE HALYARDS AND SHEETS
John morrison
sail-ability at sympatico.ca
Sat Dec 4 10:26:29 PST 2021
Kindly let us know what trawler you decide on.
Over the years we have modified our sail plans quite a bit. Originally I’d do everything I could to treat the plans like a sailboat should; Tacking on windward trips and floating around waiting for a breath to appear. Now I mostly motorsail with the main up when faced with a head-on wind and never just float around on windless days. I also pay much greater attention to the WX forecasts and spend more time in quiet coves waiting for the winds to abate. We are also in our 70s, but are still blessed with reasonable agility, but our sail handling abilities are starting to weaken. Not going to give up on our 320 tomorrow but as many have said, the seed has been sown. I’ve even committed the sin of looking casually at trawlers on the market; Something in the 30’ range.
Happy Motoring
JohnM
1999#574
> On Dec 3, 2021, at 10:42 AM, David Nolte <dcnolte at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Are you doing all that wonderful cruising on a 320?
>
> Best,
>
> David Nolte
> Beach House 0004
>
>
>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 5:12 AM, Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Comes to us all. We are right behind you. My wife is also in her seventies and small but a farm girl and tough as nails but that time comes to us all. We have also begun that power boat discussion.
>> You are close to us in Bay River (Vandemere). As I write this in Morehead headed to Key West and maybe Dry Tortugas? Maybe meet up some time next summer. Hope to to do Chesapeake and the Abermarle loop next year.
>> Have learned a lot from you and this forum over the years. Stay safe and smile one for me.
>>
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>> 2. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 4141, Issue 1 (Doug Treff)
>> 3. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 4141, Issue 1 (jackbrennan)
>> 4. Re: Commitment #867 (Allan Field)
>> 5. Re: Commitment #867 (Jerry's Iphone)
>> 6. Re: Commitment #867 (cinichols at btinternet.com)
>> 7. Re: Commitment #867 (Joe M)
>> 8. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 4141, Issue 1 (Joe M)
>> 9. Re: Commitment #867 (Chris Burti)
>> 10. Re: Commitment #867 (Chris Burti)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 09:38:59 -0500
>> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
>> To: C320 Assn Forum <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Commitment #867
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>> Commitment has a new Owner, Richard Sloop. Hopefully, he will join the
>> Association. I'll continue to stay on the forum for a while as we shop for
>> a trawler.
>>
>> For those wondering why...We loved Commitment, but last June we were
>> crossing the Pamlico Sound with a forecast of SW winds at 16 -17 kn, which
>> should have been a perfect reach to Ocracoke. Unsurprisingly, NOAA got it
>> wrong. What was surprising was how wrong.
>>
>> By the midway point, the winds had increased to the 20-25 kn range and by
>> the time we reached the entrance channel into Ocracoke, they were steadily
>> in the thirties with gusts into the mid forties..Needless to say, it was a
>> fast and rough crossing. Preparing to go into Big Foot channel, it took all
>> my strength in the big Lewmar's low speed to winch in the genoa (something
>> I rarely do) and we had to crab all the way up the channel to avoid being
>> blown out of it into the shoals (another sailboat coming in 9 Foot channel
>> was blown out of the channel and had to be pulled off by the USCG).
>>
>> Our C-320's are great sailing boats and with the sails properly trimmed,
>> they can handle far more than we can. As we were heading in crab style
>> under WOT, I was thinking to myself: "This is the time a lot of less
>> experienced sailors decide it is time to sell the boat". Sure enough, as
>> soon as we were tied up at the dock and things were settling down, the
>> Admiral shocked me by saying it was time to think about it. Well, the rest
>> of the trip was great, good weather and good sailing, but the seed had been
>> planted.
>>
>> We are in our seventies, the Admiral is petite and I came to the
>> inescapable conclusion that if i were incapacited in those conditions, she
>> could not have gotten the sails in and in those winds, the engine would
>> have been inadequate to overcome the sails, so rescue was improbable.
>>
>> I'm not ready to limit my sailing to light wind days, a little daysailer is
>> fine for that, and I ascribe to the wisdom of Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry
>> where he observes that "A man has gotta know his limitations." The Admiral
>> is capable at the helm and can get a powerboat to safety, we are not ready
>> to give up being on the water, so ...stinkpots. here we come.
>>
>> We've made a lot of friends, virtual and in person from this group over the
>> years and wish everyone fair winds and following seas...
>>
>> Fair winds
>> Chris Burti
>> Farmville, NC
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2021 09:48:31 -0500
>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4141, Issue 1
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>> I have used the EV-100 in wind mode. It does work, even with different brands of wind instrument and autopilot. You can still run into issues with the EV-100 holding a good course if you're in a seaway and the waves are pushing the boat off course.
>>
>> The real issue is that the drive motor on the EV-100 sometimes can't overcome the weather helm. It's not strong enough, and also doesn't move fast enough sometimes. Getting the sails well-balanced with traveler position, proper draft, and jib car locations will help reduce weather helm and that will make it easier for the autopilot.
>>
>> --
>> Doug Treff
>> doug at treff.us
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2021, at 11:58 AM, chuters wrote:
>>> Jack, ?
>>> Have you used the EVO 100 in Wind Trim mode? ?If so, was there an
>>> improved?performance difference between the two modes?
>>> Thanks
>>> Jack Fitzgibbon?s/v wetted bliss#441
>>>
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>>> ? 1. Re: Raymarine EV100 Wheel Autopilot/B&G Vulcan (Jack Brennan)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:33:44 -0500
>>> From: Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Raymarine EV100 Wheel Autopilot/B&G Vulcan
>>> Message-ID: <577031534.630005.1638066831802 at bellsouth.net>
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>>> I think the key to the wheel pilot vs. below-deck autopilot debate is
>>> how you sail.
>>>
>>> If you?re a hard-charging sailor who is not afraid of big seas, you
>>> definitely need below decks. Winds of more than 25 knots and 6- to
>>> 8-foot seas will overwhelm a wheel pilot. Likewise, carrying too much
>>> sail or having it improperly set will do the same.
>>>
>>> I do a 600-mile round trip through the Keys and eventually to Key West
>>> every spring. The wheel pilot is fine for my purposes. At 15 to 20
>>> knots with seas up to 5 feet, I sail with jib only and average more
>>> than 5 knots. With the sail properly set, the wheel is never far off
>>> center line.
>>>
>>> We always manage to catch some winds up to 30 knots and short, steep
>>> seas of up to 7 or 8 feet in the Gulf of Mexico. I want to be at the
>>> wheel in those conditions, mostly because there is so much shallow
>>> water about, so the wheel pilot is turned off.
>>>
>>> My biggest problem with the wheel pilot was, when I first installed it,
>>> it would shut down on occasion when winds neared 15 knots. The problem
>>> turned out to be the cheap connector Raymarine installed where the
>>> power cable reached the motor. I replaced it, and it worked fine after
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Oh, and the factory didn?t assemble the round part that fits on the
>>> wheel correctly. So it came apart and scattered ball bearings all over
>>> the cockpit and into the harbor. I sure wasn?t happy about that.
>>> Luckily, ball bearings are cheap.
>>>
>>> Jack Brennan
>>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
>>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2021 10:03:22 -0500
>> From: jackbrennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4141, Issue 1
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>> Jack;My wind instruments are strands of yarn. It's difficult to integrate them into Seatalk!Jack BrennanSonas, 1998 Catalina 320Tierra Verde, Fl.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy A32 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------From: Doug Treff <doug at treff.us> Date: 12/2/21 9:48 AM (GMT-05:00) To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4141, Issue 1 I have used the EV-100 in wind mode. It does work, even with different brands of wind instrument and autopilot. You can still run into issues with the EV-100 holding a good course if you're in a seaway and the waves are pushing the boat off course.The real issue is that the drive motor on the EV-100 sometimes can't overcome the weather helm. It's not strong enough, and also doesn't move fast enough sometimes. Getting the sails well-balanced with traveler position, proper draft, and jib car locations will help reduce weather helm and that will make it easier for the autopilot.--Doug Treffdoug at treff.usOn Wed, Dec 1, 2021, at 11:58 AM, chuters wrote:> Jack, ?> Have you used the EVO 100 in Wind Trim mode? ?If so, was there an > improved?performance difference between the two modes?> Thanks>
>> Jack Fitzgibbon?s/v wetted bliss#441>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad>>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021, 4:01 PM, > c320-list-request at lists.catalina320.com wrote:>> Send C320-list mailing list submissions to> ??? c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the Web browser, visit> ??? http://lists.catalina320.com/listinfo.cgi/c320-list-catalina320.com> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> ??? c320-list-request at lists.catalina320.com>> You can reach the person managing the list at> ??? c320-list-owner at lists.catalina320.com>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of C320-list digest...">>> Today's Topics:>> ? 1. Re: Raymarine EV100 Wheel Autopilot/B&G Vulcan (Jack Brennan)>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> Message: 1> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:33:44 -0500> From: Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catali
>> na320.com>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Raymarine EV100 Wheel Autopilot/B&G Vulcan> Message-ID: <577031534.630005.1638066831802 at bellsouth.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> I think the key to the wheel pilot vs. below-deck autopilot debate is > how you sail.>> If you?re a hard-charging sailor who is not afraid of big seas, you > definitely need below decks. Winds of more than 25 knots and 6- to > 8-foot seas will overwhelm a wheel pilot. Likewise, carrying too much > sail or having it improperly set will do the same.>> I do a 600-mile round trip through the Keys and eventually to Key West > every spring. The wheel pilot is fine for my purposes. At 15 to 20 > knots with seas up to 5 feet, I sail with jib only and average more > than 5 knots. With the sail properly set, the wheel is never far off > center line.>> We always manage to catch some winds up to 30 knots and short, steep > seas of up to 7 or 8 feet in the Gulf of Mexico. I want to be at the > wheel in those condi
>> tions, mostly because there is so much shallow > water about, so the wheel pilot is turned off. >> My biggest problem with the wheel pilot was, when I first installed it, > it would shut down on occasion when winds neared 15 knots. The problem > turned out to be the cheap connector Raymarine installed where the > power cable reached the motor. I replaced it, and it worked fine after > that.>> Oh, and the factory didn?t assemble the round part that fits on the > wheel correctly. So it came apart and scattered ball bearings all over > the cockpit and into the harbor. I sure wasn?t happy about that. > Luckily, ball bearings are cheap.>> Jack Brennan> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320> Tierra Verde, Fl.>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows>>>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4141, Issue 1> ******************************************
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 11:00:01 -0500
>> From: Allan Field <allanfield47 at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Commitment #867
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Hi Chris - Congrats on the sale of *Commitment*. And many thanks for
>> sharing your story with us. Linda and I also are realizing that we will
>> eventually be aging-out (I'll be 74 next week) of sailing and wonder what's
>> next. But most of all, I want to acknowledge your commitment (no pun
>> intended!) to the Association for so many years. It was a pleasure to serve
>> on the Association Board with you, to always value your wisdom and input,
>> and to know that what you put back in was so appreciated and always
>> spot-on. Best wishes always in your sailing retirement and may "what's
>> next" always "float your boat!"
>>
>> Allan S. Field
>> Sea Shadow - C387, #103 (formerly C320, #808)
>> Columbia, MD
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 9:39 AM Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commitment has a new Owner, Richard Sloop. Hopefully, he will join the
>>> Association. I'll continue to stay on the forum for a while as we shop for
>>> a trawler.
>>>
>>> For those wondering why...We loved Commitment, but last June we were
>>> crossing the Pamlico Sound with a forecast of SW winds at 16 -17 kn, which
>>> should have been a perfect reach to Ocracoke. Unsurprisingly, NOAA got it
>>> wrong. What was surprising was how wrong.
>>>
>>> By the midway point, the winds had increased to the 20-25 kn range and by
>>> the time we reached the entrance channel into Ocracoke, they were steadily
>>> in the thirties with gusts into the mid forties..Needless to say, it was a
>>> fast and rough crossing. Preparing to go into Big Foot channel, it took all
>>> my strength in the big Lewmar's low speed to winch in the genoa (something
>>> I rarely do) and we had to crab all the way up the channel to avoid being
>>> blown out of it into the shoals (another sailboat coming in 9 Foot channel
>>> was blown out of the channel and had to be pulled off by the USCG).
>>>
>>> Our C-320's are great sailing boats and with the sails properly trimmed,
>>> they can handle far more than we can. As we were heading in crab style
>>> under WOT, I was thinking to myself: "This is the time a lot of less
>>> experienced sailors decide it is time to sell the boat". Sure enough, as
>>> soon as we were tied up at the dock and things were settling down, the
>>> Admiral shocked me by saying it was time to think about it. Well, the rest
>>> of the trip was great, good weather and good sailing, but the seed had been
>>> planted.
>>>
>>> We are in our seventies, the Admiral is petite and I came to the
>>> inescapable conclusion that if i were incapacited in those conditions, she
>>> could not have gotten the sails in and in those winds, the engine would
>>> have been inadequate to overcome the sails, so rescue was improbable.
>>>
>>> I'm not ready to limit my sailing to light wind days, a little daysailer is
>>> fine for that, and I ascribe to the wisdom of Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry
>>> where he observes that "A man has gotta know his limitations." The Admiral
>>> is capable at the helm and can get a powerboat to safety, we are not ready
>>> to give up being on the water, so ...stinkpots. here we come.
>>>
>>> We've made a lot of friends, virtual and in person from this group over the
>>> years and wish everyone fair winds and following seas...
>>>
>>> Fair winds
>>> Chris Burti
>>> Farmville, NC
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 11:36:50 -0500
>> From: Jerry's Iphone <jellyroll02 at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Commitment #867
>> Message-ID: <DE9E924D-191D-4E51-B9DB-DEB2A398ADF0 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Chris. I?m glad you are staying on the forum. I have always appreciated your helpful responses and suggestions. We would surely miss you here. Thanks also for your service to the association. All the best in your next adventure.
>>
>> Jerry Sheets
>> JellyRoll
>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:00 AM, Allan Field <allanfield47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Hi Chris - Congrats on the sale of *Commitment*. And many thanks for
>>> sharing your story with us. Linda and I also are realizing that we will
>>> eventually be aging-out (I'll be 74 next week) of sailing and wonder what's
>>> next. But most of all, I want to acknowledge your commitment (no pun
>>> intended!) to the Association for so many years. It was a pleasure to serve
>>> on the Association Board with you, to always value your wisdom and input,
>>> and to know that what you put back in was so appreciated and always
>>> spot-on. Best wishes always in your sailing retirement and may "what's
>>> next" always "float your boat!"
>>>
>>> Allan S. Field
>>> Sea Shadow - C387, #103 (formerly C320, #808)
>>> Columbia, MD
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 9:39 AM Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Commitment has a new Owner, Richard Sloop. Hopefully, he will join the
>>>> Association. I'll continue to stay on the forum for a while as we shop for
>>>> a trawler.
>>>>
>>>> For those wondering why...We loved Commitment, but last June we were
>>>> crossing the Pamlico Sound with a forecast of SW winds at 16 -17 kn, which
>>>> should have been a perfect reach to Ocracoke. Unsurprisingly, NOAA got it
>>>> wrong. What was surprising was how wrong.
>>>>
>>>> By the midway point, the winds had increased to the 20-25 kn range and by
>>>> the time we reached the entrance channel into Ocracoke, they were steadily
>>>> in the thirties with gusts into the mid forties..Needless to say, it was a
>>>> fast and rough crossing. Preparing to go into Big Foot channel, it took all
>>>> my strength in the big Lewmar's low speed to winch in the genoa (something
>>>> I rarely do) and we had to crab all the way up the channel to avoid being
>>>> blown out of it into the shoals (another sailboat coming in 9 Foot channel
>>>> was blown out of the channel and had to be pulled off by the USCG).
>>>>
>>>> Our C-320's are great sailing boats and with the sails properly trimmed,
>>>> they can handle far more than we can. As we were heading in crab style
>>>> under WOT, I was thinking to myself: "This is the time a lot of less
>>>> experienced sailors decide it is time to sell the boat". Sure enough, as
>>>> soon as we were tied up at the dock and things were settling down, the
>>>> Admiral shocked me by saying it was time to think about it. Well, the rest
>>>> of the trip was great, good weather and good sailing, but the seed had been
>>>> planted.
>>>>
>>>> We are in our seventies, the Admiral is petite and I came to the
>>>> inescapable conclusion that if i were incapacited in those conditions, she
>>>> could not have gotten the sails in and in those winds, the engine would
>>>> have been inadequate to overcome the sails, so rescue was improbable.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not ready to limit my sailing to light wind days, a little daysailer is
>>>> fine for that, and I ascribe to the wisdom of Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry
>>>> where he observes that "A man has gotta know his limitations." The Admiral
>>>> is capable at the helm and can get a powerboat to safety, we are not ready
>>>> to give up being on the water, so ...stinkpots. here we come.
>>>>
>>>> We've made a lot of friends, virtual and in person from this group over the
>>>> years and wish everyone fair winds and following seas...
>>>>
>>>> Fair winds
>>>> Chris Burti
>>>> Farmville, NC
>>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 17:00:51 -0000
>> From: <cinichols at btinternet.com>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Commitment #867
>> Message-ID: <00f001d7e79e$2989e170$7c9da450$@btinternet.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Many thanks for all you hard work Chris. Might I suggest you can scratch your sailing itch also with a radio yacht?
>> As we sail about in C320 no. 476 I take aboard a radio yacht and regularly fund groups of ex big boat racers gathering to compete in radio sailing. Look it up as it is great fun and means all your sailing experience can still be used to great advantage.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Chris Nichols
>> +44 7963 190 667
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of Allan Field
>> Sent: 02 December 2021 16:00
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Commitment #867
>>
>> Hi Chris - Congrats on the sale of *Commitment*. And many thanks for sharing your story with us. Linda and I also are realizing that we will eventually be aging-out (I'll be 74 next week) of sailing and wonder what's next. But most of all, I want to acknowledge your commitment (no pun
>> intended!) to the Association for so many years. It was a pleasure to serve on the Association Board with you, to always value your wisdom and input, and to know that what you put back in was so appreciated and always spot-on. Best wishes always in your sailing retirement and may "what's next" always "float your boat!"
>>
>> Allan S. Field
>> Sea Shadow - C387, #103 (formerly C320, #808) Columbia, MD
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 9:39 AM Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commitment has a new Owner, Richard Sloop. Hopefully, he will join the
>>> Association. I'll continue to stay on the forum for a while as we shop
>>> for a trawler.
>>>
>>> For those wondering why...We loved Commitment, but last June we were
>>> crossing the Pamlico Sound with a forecast of SW winds at 16 -17 kn,
>>> which should have been a perfect reach to Ocracoke. Unsurprisingly,
>>> NOAA got it wrong. What was surprising was how wrong.
>>>
>>> By the midway point, the winds had increased to the 20-25 kn range and
>>> by the time we reached the entrance channel into Ocracoke, they were
>>> steadily in the thirties with gusts into the mid forties..Needless to
>>> say, it was a fast and rough crossing. Preparing to go into Big Foot
>>> channel, it took all my strength in the big Lewmar's low speed to
>>> winch in the genoa (something I rarely do) and we had to crab all the
>>> way up the channel to avoid being blown out of it into the shoals
>>> (another sailboat coming in 9 Foot channel was blown out of the channel and had to be pulled off by the USCG).
>>>
>>> Our C-320's are great sailing boats and with the sails properly
>>> trimmed, they can handle far more than we can. As we were heading in
>>> crab style under WOT, I was thinking to myself: "This is the time a
>>> lot of less experienced sailors decide it is time to sell the boat".
>>> Sure enough, as soon as we were tied up at the dock and things were
>>> settling down, the Admiral shocked me by saying it was time to think
>>> about it. Well, the rest of the trip was great, good weather and good
>>> sailing, but the seed had been planted.
>>>
>>> We are in our seventies, the Admiral is petite and I came to the
>>> inescapable conclusion that if i were incapacited in those conditions,
>>> she could not have gotten the sails in and in those winds, the engine
>>> would have been inadequate to overcome the sails, so rescue was improbable.
>>>
>>> I'm not ready to limit my sailing to light wind days, a little
>>> daysailer is fine for that, and I ascribe to the wisdom of Clint
>>> Eastwood as Dirty Harry where he observes that "A man has gotta know
>>> his limitations." The Admiral is capable at the helm and can get a
>>> powerboat to safety, we are not ready to give up being on the water, so ...stinkpots. here we come.
>>>
>>> We've made a lot of friends, virtual and in person from this group
>>> over the years and wish everyone fair winds and following seas...
>>>
>>> Fair winds
>>> Chris Burti
>>> Farmville, NC
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 12:53:25 -0500
>> From: Joe M <smith.blazer.72 at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Commitment #867
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAO+iX3A20ipOaxkoPVFbzsMJCnpKPtTfU9aCzicAJF8eQVRskQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> You can use winches for the sails and they have a power winch handle these
>> days.
>>
>> Where there is a will, there is a way.
>>
>> Joe 2002 C320 hull #902
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 9:39 AM Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commitment has a new Owner, Richard Sloop. Hopefully, he will join the
>>> Association. I'll continue to stay on the forum for a while as we shop for
>>> a trawler.
>>>
>>> For those wondering why...We loved Commitment, but last June we were
>>> crossing the Pamlico Sound with a forecast of SW winds at 16 -17 kn, which
>>> should have been a perfect reach to Ocracoke. Unsurprisingly, NOAA got it
>>> wrong. What was surprising was how wrong.
>>>
>>> By the midway point, the winds had increased to the 20-25 kn range and by
>>> the time we reached the entrance channel into Ocracoke, they were steadily
>>> in the thirties with gusts into the mid forties..Needless to say, it was a
>>> fast and rough crossing. Preparing to go into Big Foot channel, it took all
>>> my strength in the big Lewmar's low speed to winch in the genoa (something
>>> I rarely do) and we had to crab all the way up the channel to avoid being
>>> blown out of it into the shoals (another sailboat coming in 9 Foot channel
>>> was blown out of the channel and had to be pulled off by the USCG).
>>>
>>> Our C-320's are great sailing boats and with the sails properly trimmed,
>>> they can handle far more than we can. As we were heading in crab style
>>> under WOT, I was thinking to myself: "This is the time a lot of less
>>> experienced sailors decide it is time to sell the boat". Sure enough, as
>>> soon as we were tied up at the dock and things were settling down, the
>>> Admiral shocked me by saying it was time to think about it. Well, the rest
>>> of the trip was great, good weather and good sailing, but the seed had been
>>> planted.
>>>
>>> We are in our seventies, the Admiral is petite and I came to the
>>> inescapable conclusion that if i were incapacited in those conditions, she
>>> could not have gotten the sails in and in those winds, the engine would
>>> have been inadequate to overcome the sails, so rescue was improbable.
>>>
>>> I'm not ready to limit my sailing to light wind days, a little daysailer is
>>> fine for that, and I ascribe to the wisdom of Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry
>>> where he observes that "A man has gotta know his limitations." The Admiral
>>> is capable at the helm and can get a powerboat to safety, we are not ready
>>> to give up being on the water, so ...stinkpots. here we come.
>>>
>>> We've made a lot of friends, virtual and in person from this group over the
>>> years and wish everyone fair winds and following seas...
>>>
>>> Fair winds
>>> Chris Burti
>>> Farmville, NC
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 12:58:29 -0500
>> From: Joe M <smith.blazer.72 at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4141, Issue 1
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAO+iX3DG5rE5Qe8cy9Tqv8J+nOecEuzZ-10-X82x3D1pKOE0xg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> We are fair weather sailors and when it is gusting over 20 knots, I am at
>> the helm anyway. Only thing I don?t like about my wheel pilot is I would
>> love to take the wheel off on the mooring instead of jumping around like a
>> chimpanzee getting around it.
>>
>> Joe 2002 C320 hull #902
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 9:48 AM Doug Treff <doug at treff.us> wrote:
>>
>>> I have used the EV-100 in wind mode. It does work, even with different
>>> brands of wind instrument and autopilot. You can still run into issues with
>>> the EV-100 holding a good course if you're in a seaway and the waves are
>>> pushing the boat off course.
>>>
>>> The real issue is that the drive motor on the EV-100 sometimes can't
>>> overcome the weather helm. It's not strong enough, and also doesn't move
>>> fast enough sometimes. Getting the sails well-balanced with traveler
>>> position, proper draft, and jib car locations will help reduce weather helm
>>> and that will make it easier for the autopilot.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Doug Treff
>>> doug at treff.us
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2021, at 11:58 AM, chuters wrote:
>>>> Jack,
>>>> Have you used the EVO 100 in Wind Trim mode? If so, was there an
>>>> improved performance difference between the two modes?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Jack Fitzgibbon s/v wetted bliss#441
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> 1. Re: Raymarine EV100 Wheel Autopilot/B&G Vulcan (Jack Brennan)
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:33:44 -0500
>>>> From: Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
>>>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Raymarine EV100 Wheel Autopilot/B&G Vulcan
>>>> Message-ID: <577031534.630005.1638066831802 at bellsouth.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>> I think the key to the wheel pilot vs. below-deck autopilot debate is
>>>> how you sail.
>>>>
>>>> If you?re a hard-charging sailor who is not afraid of big seas, you
>>>> definitely need below decks. Winds of more than 25 knots and 6- to
>>>> 8-foot seas will overwhelm a wheel pilot. Likewise, carrying too much
>>>> sail or having it improperly set will do the same.
>>>>
>>>> I do a 600-mile round trip through the Keys and eventually to Key West
>>>> every spring. The wheel pilot is fine for my purposes. At 15 to 20
>>>> knots with seas up to 5 feet, I sail with jib only and average more
>>>> than 5 knots. With the sail properly set, the wheel is never far off
>>>> center line.
>>>>
>>>> We always manage to catch some winds up to 30 knots and short, steep
>>>> seas of up to 7 or 8 feet in the Gulf of Mexico. I want to be at the
>>>> wheel in those conditions, mostly because there is so much shallow
>>>> water about, so the wheel pilot is turned off.
>>>>
>>>> My biggest problem with the wheel pilot was, when I first installed it,
>>>> it would shut down on occasion when winds neared 15 knots. The problem
>>>> turned out to be the cheap connector Raymarine installed where the
>>>> power cable reached the motor. I replaced it, and it worked fine after
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and the factory didn?t assemble the round part that fits on the
>>>> wheel correctly. So it came apart and scattered ball bearings all over
>>>> the cockpit and into the harbor. I sure wasn?t happy about that.
>>>> Luckily, ball bearings are cheap.
>>>>
>>>> Jack Brennan
>>>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
>>>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4141, Issue 1
>>>> ******************************************
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 13:22:42 -0500
>> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Commitment #867
>> Message-ID: <47E05E34-F0D6-42FA-92DD-BFB49E91A346 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Thanks Jeff
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chris Burti
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Jerry's Iphone <jellyroll02 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Chris. I?m glad you are staying on the forum. I have always appreciated your helpful responses and suggestions. We would surely miss you here. Thanks also for your service to the association. All the best in your next adventure.
>>>
>>> Jerry Sheets
>>> JellyRoll
>>>
>>>> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:00 AM, Allan Field <allanfield47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Hi Chris - Congrats on the sale of *Commitment*. And many thanks for
>>>> sharing your story with us. Linda and I also are realizing that we will
>>>> eventually be aging-out (I'll be 74 next week) of sailing and wonder what's
>>>> next. But most of all, I want to acknowledge your commitment (no pun
>>>> intended!) to the Association for so many years. It was a pleasure to serve
>>>> on the Association Board with you, to always value your wisdom and input,
>>>> and to know that what you put back in was so appreciated and always
>>>> spot-on. Best wishes always in your sailing retirement and may "what's
>>>> next" always "float your boat!"
>>>>
>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>> Sea Shadow - C387, #103 (formerly C320, #808)
>>>> Columbia, MD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 9:39 AM Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Commitment has a new Owner, Richard Sloop. Hopefully, he will join the
>>>>> Association. I'll continue to stay on the forum for a while as we shop for
>>>>> a trawler.
>>>>>
>>>>> For those wondering why...We loved Commitment, but last June we were
>>>>> crossing the Pamlico Sound with a forecast of SW winds at 16 -17 kn, which
>>>>> should have been a perfect reach to Ocracoke. Unsurprisingly, NOAA got it
>>>>> wrong. What was surprising was how wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the midway point, the winds had increased to the 20-25 kn range and by
>>>>> the time we reached the entrance channel into Ocracoke, they were steadily
>>>>> in the thirties with gusts into the mid forties..Needless to say, it was a
>>>>> fast and rough crossing. Preparing to go into Big Foot channel, it took all
>>>>> my strength in the big Lewmar's low speed to winch in the genoa (something
>>>>> I rarely do) and we had to crab all the way up the channel to avoid being
>>>>> blown out of it into the shoals (another sailboat coming in 9 Foot channel
>>>>> was blown out of the channel and had to be pulled off by the USCG).
>>>>>
>>>>> Our C-320's are great sailing boats and with the sails properly trimmed,
>>>>> they can handle far more than we can. As we were heading in crab style
>>>>> under WOT, I was thinking to myself: "This is the time a lot of less
>>>>> experienced sailors decide it is time to sell the boat". Sure enough, as
>>>>> soon as we were tied up at the dock and things were settling down, the
>>>>> Admiral shocked me by saying it was time to think about it. Well, the rest
>>>>> of the trip was great, good weather and good sailing, but the seed had been
>>>>> planted.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are in our seventies, the Admiral is petite and I came to the
>>>>> inescapable conclusion that if i were incapacited in those conditions, she
>>>>> could not have gotten the sails in and in those winds, the engine would
>>>>> have been inadequate to overcome the sails, so rescue was improbable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not ready to limit my sailing to light wind days, a little daysailer is
>>>>> fine for that, and I ascribe to the wisdom of Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry
>>>>> where he observes that "A man has gotta know his limitations." The Admiral
>>>>> is capable at the helm and can get a powerboat to safety, we are not ready
>>>>> to give up being on the water, so ...stinkpots. here we come.
>>>>>
>>>>> We've made a lot of friends, virtual and in person from this group over the
>>>>> years and wish everyone fair winds and following seas...
>>>>>
>>>>> Fair winds
>>>>> Chris Burti
>>>>> Farmville, NC
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 13:44:32 -0500
>> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Commitment #867
>> Message-ID: <6C320893-BC89-46B3-A2FC-577C9E75FC76 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Thanks for the kind words Jerry
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chris Burti
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Jerry's Iphone <jellyroll02 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Chris. I?m glad you are staying on the forum. I have always appreciated your helpful responses and suggestions. We would surely miss you here. Thanks also for your service to the association. All the best in your next adventure.
>>>
>>> Jerry Sheets
>>> JellyRoll
>>>
>>>> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:00 AM, Allan Field <allanfield47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Hi Chris - Congrats on the sale of *Commitment*. And many thanks for
>>>> sharing your story with us. Linda and I also are realizing that we will
>>>> eventually be aging-out (I'll be 74 next week) of sailing and wonder what's
>>>> next. But most of all, I want to acknowledge your commitment (no pun
>>>> intended!) to the Association for so many years. It was a pleasure to serve
>>>> on the Association Board with you, to always value your wisdom and input,
>>>> and to know that what you put back in was so appreciated and always
>>>> spot-on. Best wishes always in your sailing retirement and may "what's
>>>> next" always "float your boat!"
>>>>
>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>> Sea Shadow - C387, #103 (formerly C320, #808)
>>>> Columbia, MD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 9:39 AM Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Commitment has a new Owner, Richard Sloop. Hopefully, he will join the
>>>>> Association. I'll continue to stay on the forum for a while as we shop for
>>>>> a trawler.
>>>>>
>>>>> For those wondering why...We loved Commitment, but last June we were
>>>>> crossing the Pamlico Sound with a forecast of SW winds at 16 -17 kn, which
>>>>> should have been a perfect reach to Ocracoke. Unsurprisingly, NOAA got it
>>>>> wrong. What was surprising was how wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the midway point, the winds had increased to the 20-25 kn range and by
>>>>> the time we reached the entrance channel into Ocracoke, they were steadily
>>>>> in the thirties with gusts into the mid forties..Needless to say, it was a
>>>>> fast and rough crossing. Preparing to go into Big Foot channel, it took all
>>>>> my strength in the big Lewmar's low speed to winch in the genoa (something
>>>>> I rarely do) and we had to crab all the way up the channel to avoid being
>>>>> blown out of it into the shoals (another sailboat coming in 9 Foot channel
>>>>> was blown out of the channel and had to be pulled off by the USCG).
>>>>>
>>>>> Our C-320's are great sailing boats and with the sails properly trimmed,
>>>>> they can handle far more than we can. As we were heading in crab style
>>>>> under WOT, I was thinking to myself: "This is the time a lot of less
>>>>> experienced sailors decide it is time to sell the boat". Sure enough, as
>>>>> soon as we were tied up at the dock and things were settling down, the
>>>>> Admiral shocked me by saying it was time to think about it. Well, the rest
>>>>> of the trip was great, good weather and good sailing, but the seed had been
>>>>> planted.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are in our seventies, the Admiral is petite and I came to the
>>>>> inescapable conclusion that if i were incapacited in those conditions, she
>>>>> could not have gotten the sails in and in those winds, the engine would
>>>>> have been inadequate to overcome the sails, so rescue was improbable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not ready to limit my sailing to light wind days, a little daysailer is
>>>>> fine for that, and I ascribe to the wisdom of Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry
>>>>> where he observes that "A man has gotta know his limitations." The Admiral
>>>>> is capable at the helm and can get a powerboat to safety, we are not ready
>>>>> to give up being on the water, so ...stinkpots. here we come.
>>>>>
>>>>> We've made a lot of friends, virtual and in person from this group over the
>>>>> years and wish everyone fair winds and following seas...
>>>>>
>>>>> Fair winds
>>>>> Chris Burti
>>>>> Farmville, NC
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4145, Issue 1
>> ******************************************
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