[C320-list] Waste deck fitting
Mark
south_frk at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 14 05:39:28 PST 2021
Oh boy. You're in for it!. Ours is hull 848, by the way.
In order to access the hose clamps for the deck waste fitting, you need
to remove the medicine cabinet. In order to do that, we had to remove
the two vented loops. In order to do that.....I cut an access hole
(4") and then installed screw in deck plate to make it look nice.
It's really a pain to get at it. BUT, it can be done. Might want to
put a new vent hose in there too while you're in there.
Feel free to follow up with me if you have any follow-up questions.
Mark bratz
S/v Firefly
On Nov 13, 2021 5:14 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner <saras951 at comcast.net>
wrote:
I finally decided to dive into fixing the leak at the waste deck
fitting. I have things pulled apart but have absolutely no idea how
to get back behind the medicine cabinet in the head and from the
sides to get at the hoses. I’ve figured out how to dismantle the
medicine cabinet but what else do you have to dismantle to get back
behind there?
Sara
Wandering Star
2000/#707
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 18:59:02 -0400
> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
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> Doug
>
> Do you happen to recall if it's solid FRP at the deck fill
location?
>
> Troy
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 18:59:02 -0400
> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
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> Doug
>
> Do you happen to recall if it's solid FRP at the deck fill
location?
>
> Troy
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 18:05:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: SARA SCHROEDER <saras951 at comcast.net>
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
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> Ugh....I knew someone would suggest replacing all the waste hoses
while I'm in there. Yes, they are 21 years old and have never been
replaced. I've checked them many times and they seem ok but 21 years
is 21 years. So I guess I'm adding another "fun" project to the
list!
>
> Sara
> Wandering Star
> 2000/#707
>
>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 18:13:49 -0700
>>> From: Sara Schroeder Skinner <saras951 at comcast.net>
>>> To: C320 Blog <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID: <4B9BDB03-15EA-4BD8-93E9-94767A6A6287 at comcast.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water pools
on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling
water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears
that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed. What
should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>
>>> Sara
>>> Wandering Star
>>> 2000/#707
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:27:37 -0600
>>> From: Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID: <A01035DF-BBE3-43D7-AAE4-BC2D829A2A63 at me.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>
>>> Butyl tape
>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 22:18:21 -0400
>>> From: John Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID: <EC3F5D6F-319C-4993-ACD4-AD4347F4E9B6 at sympatico.ca>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Yup butyl tape works as well as 3m4200.
>>> JohnM
>>> 1999#574
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 08:02:10 -0400
>>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID:
<9db49a4c-f323-4dbc-a58e-ee5a13a13957 at www.fastmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> This stuff:
>>>
>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>
>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Doug Treff
>>> doug at treff.us
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that the
sealant
>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>> Wandering Star
>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:07:26 -0400
>>> From: Jeff Smith <svsailmates512 at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
<CABpVgjhLZspAVo62VciJaF6krmvBhmcrYqB9J3Wn-uf6bi_hKA at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>
>>> I used 4200 to do my diesel and fresh water fills on the stern.
As Doug
>>> said, though, I am getting tired of buying a $20 tube and using
$2 of it
>>> only to have the rest harden.
>>>
>>> Having said that, the leak in your head may also be from the
Traveller. If
>>> you need to re-bed it, as well, it may be cost effective to use
4200. I had
>>> water in my head but it was coming from the traveller bolts.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 8:02 AM Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> This stuff:
>>>>
>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry
>>>> out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Doug Treff
>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that the
sealant
>>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:46:21 -0400
>>> From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID: <F87DC5CA-46A2-400C-BCAA-FDD9C35B59A7 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> I second Darren?s recommendation. It?s way easier and less messy
than bedding compound or silicone sealant.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> --
>>> Joe Geiger
>>> Vega #722
>>> Greenwich Cove, RI
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4069, Issue 1
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:27:53 -0400
>> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>> Message-ID:
>>
<CA+rGV8b3Hq5wCLvpu3HxDr9XodvLSD2ciuW3CZbAPJJgBtwW1g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Sara
>>
>> Go to marine how to and read up on using the butyl tape. A
proper repair
>> will address any damage (hopefully none) done to the core in that
area as
>> well as ensure proper sealant on not only the flange but also the
screws.
>> You can see how to go about this on that site. Keep in mind
that you may
>> need to use some thickened epoxy to repair any water damage if
you find
>> any.
>>
>> I bought two rolls of bed it tape 5 years ago. The only places
I wouldn?t
>> recco bed it is for rebedding the deadlights and also for
rebedding hatch
>> lenses. There you need a proper adhesive/sealant. Bed it is
not an
>> adhesive so you can use it in areas that you need 'holding
power'.
>>
>> Regards and good luck
>>
>> Troy Dunn
>> Hull #514
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:29:19 -0400
>> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>> Message-ID:
>>
<CA+rGV8ZjTsBDoqgVt5B9Cg8J1yUkL42Tfx3XucA0a6nr3CWqew at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Ugh?that should have said can't use it, dang it.
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 8:27 PM Troy Dunn
<troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sara
>>>
>>> Go to marine how to and read up on using the butyl tape. A
proper repair
>>> will address any damage (hopefully none) done to the core in
that area as
>>> well as ensure proper sealant on not only the flange but also
the screws.
>>> You can see how to go about this on that site. Keep in mind
that you may
>>> need to use some thickened epoxy to repair any water damage if
you find
>>> any.
>>>
>>> I bought two rolls of bed it tape 5 years ago. The only places
I
>>> wouldn?t recco bed it is for rebedding the deadlights and also
for
>>> rebedding hatch lenses. There you need a proper
adhesive/sealant. Bed
>>> it is not an adhesive so you can use it in areas that you need
'holding
>>> power'.
>>>
>>> Regards and good luck
>>>
>>> Troy Dunn
>>> Hull #514
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 01:04:41 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>> Message-ID: <12798675.1722555.1627952681245 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Sara-
>> I'm guessing that you need to remove the waste pump out hose from
the fitting to be able to lift up the fitting at least enough to be
able to clean the fitting and deck mating surfaces and apply the
tape (or to be able to completely remove the fitting if any deck
repair with epoxy is first needed).? If it hasn't been done before
based on your hull age, it may also be advisable to replace the
waste pump out hose from your tank to the fitting now. And ..... if
you are in any doubt about your waste hoses integrity, maybe "do the
dirty" and also replace the waste hose from the head into the tank.?
I replaced ALL, as well as the smaller diameter water feed hoses in
order to try to tackle an odor issue.? The hardest part was getting
my hand into position to remove and install the new waste pump out
hose end at the bottom of the tank.??
>> Another comment ..... several people have recommended butyl
tape.? Be careful and consider if the fitting install screws may rip
the tape as you screw them in?? If there is any concern, then 4200
sealant may be better since you can also "butter" the screw threads
with 4200 to make sure you get a good seal (and wipe away the excess
on top).
>> Dave Hupe
>> 1994 C320 #32 ("Mayan Sun")
>> Holland, MI
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:49:24 -0400
>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>> Message-ID:
<733a98cf-f157-4b1c-9582-3474f1fc94dc at www.fastmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> Yes that is correct. I redid my forward water fill fitting last
year the same way. However I will caution you that the screws are
only self-tapping screws, so you'll want to be careful about
overtightening them, which could strip the holes and cause you other
issues.
>>
>> Additionally, you'll probably need to tighten them a few times
over the next couple months, because the Butyl never really hardens.
And you'll occasionally need to clean up the butyl that oozes out
around the fitting until everything seats properly.
>>
>> --
>> Doug Treff
>> doug at treff.us
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, at 8:07 PM, SARA SCHROEDER wrote:
>>> Thanks all. Butyl tape it is. Am I correct that I should
unscrew the
>>> fitting and put the tap under the entire thing? I saw that the
hose is
>>> "Ok" but I can foresee it needing to be replaced at some point
and on
>>> quick glance that does not look like a fun job.
>>> Sara
>>> Wandering Star
>>> 2000/#707
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Waste deck fitting leak (Sara Schroeder Skinner)
>>>> 2. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Darren Hulbert)
>>>> 3. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (John Morrison)
>>>> 4. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Doug Treff)
>>>> 5. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Jeff Smith)
>>>> 6. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Joe Geiger)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 18:13:49 -0700
>>>> From: Sara Schroeder Skinner <saras951 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: C320 Blog <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <4B9BDB03-15EA-4BD8-93E9-94767A6A6287 at comcast.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>> Wandering Star
>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:27:37 -0600
>>>> From: Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <A01035DF-BBE3-43D7-AAE4-BC2D829A2A63 at me.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 22:18:21 -0400
>>>> From: John Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <EC3F5D6F-319C-4993-ACD4-AD4347F4E9B6 at sympatico.ca>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Yup butyl tape works as well as 3m4200.
>>>> JohnM
>>>> 1999#574
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 08:02:10 -0400
>>>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID:
<9db49a4c-f323-4dbc-a58e-ee5a13a13957 at www.fastmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> This stuff:
>>>>
>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Doug Treff
>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that the
sealant
>>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:07:26 -0400
>>>> From: Jeff Smith <svsailmates512 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
<CABpVgjhLZspAVo62VciJaF6krmvBhmcrYqB9J3Wn-uf6bi_hKA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>
>>>> I used 4200 to do my diesel and fresh water fills on the stern.
As Doug
>>>> said, though, I am getting tired of buying a $20 tube and using
$2 of it
>>>> only to have the rest harden.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, the leak in your head may also be from the
Traveller. If
>>>> you need to re-bed it, as well, it may be cost effective to use
4200. I had
>>>> water in my head but it was coming from the traveller bolts.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 8:02 AM Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This stuff:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry
>>>>> out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Doug Treff
>>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that
the sealant
>>>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:46:21 -0400
>>>> From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <F87DC5CA-46A2-400C-BCAA-FDD9C35B59A7 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> I second Darren?s recommendation. It?s way easier and less
messy than bedding compound or silicone sealant.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>> --
>>>> Joe Geiger
>>>> Vega #722
>>>> Greenwich Cove, RI
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4069, Issue 1
>>>> ******************************************
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:48:06 +0000
>> From: Ade Bateman <ade.bateman at outlook.com>
>> To: Catalina C320 List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Long anchor roller bolts
>> Message-ID:
>>
<SJ0PR15MB475901EDFA75D75AC5F1B745E2F09 at SJ0PR15MB4759.namprd15.prod.
outlook.com>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I'm looking for advice on whether I need to add a fifth bolt for
the longer anchor roller. Details below.
>>
>> Yesterday I replaced my short, original anchor roller with the
longer version from Catalina Direct. I tried putting a Rocna 15 on
the short roller but, just like others on the list before me, I
couldn't make this work (I know some people have but I couldn't find
a way to secure it and not strike the hull).
>>
>> It was tricky to reach the bolts in front of the anchor locker,
but I managed it and eventually removed the old roller. The backing
plate for the original roller was securely attached underneath
including being partly embedded in some sealant that appeared to be
part of the deck/hull joint and I didn't want to remove it.
Fortunately, the new roller had the holes in the same place, so it
was a drop-in replacement. I reused the backing plate and the
original bolts with a liberal amount of 5200.
>>
>> Now to the question: how many bolts do the OEM longer rollers
use? My shorter roller had four in an offset staggered pattern every
3", two on each side 6" apart. The new roller also includes a fifth
hole, in line with the fourth. You can see this on the product page
[1].
>>
>> Having pondered this a little, I'm now wondering whether I need
to add this fifth bolt? Any thoughts? On the one hand, it was
securely fastened previously with four (and even with the bolts
removed it was hard to remove the original 5200). On the other,
there is more of a lifting moment now that the roller extends much
further forward. I'm not sure if adding another bolt will make a
significant difference. If I need to add another bolt, I will have
to drill down through the deck and original backing plate.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>
>> Ade.
>> Sound Thinking, #257 1995.
>>
>> [1] Long Anchor Roller
https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-36/hull-deck/fo
rward/anchor-roller-long-c-28-c-30-c-310-c-320-c-34-c-36/
>>
>>
>>
>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4070, Issue 1
>> ******************************************
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 18:52:30 -0700
> From: Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
> Message-ID: <B8FA1466-567C-4DEA-A5BF-2BF3CC1FCD25 at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I feel your pain Sara? getting ready to do that myself
>
> Reposado
> 2001/#816
>
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 6:05 PM, SARA SCHROEDER <saras951 at comcast.net>
wrote:
>>
>> ?Ugh....I knew someone would suggest replacing all the waste
hoses while I'm in there. Yes, they are 21 years old and have never
been replaced. I've checked them many times and they seem ok but 21
years is 21 years. So I guess I'm adding another "fun" project to
the list!
>>
>> Sara
>> Wandering Star
>> 2000/#707
>>
>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 18:13:49 -0700
>>>> From: Sara Schroeder Skinner <saras951 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: C320 Blog <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <4B9BDB03-15EA-4BD8-93E9-94767A6A6287 at comcast.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>> Wandering Star
>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:27:37 -0600
>>>> From: Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <A01035DF-BBE3-43D7-AAE4-BC2D829A2A63 at me.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 22:18:21 -0400
>>>> From: John Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <EC3F5D6F-319C-4993-ACD4-AD4347F4E9B6 at sympatico.ca>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Yup butyl tape works as well as 3m4200.
>>>> JohnM
>>>> 1999#574
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 08:02:10 -0400
>>>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID:
<9db49a4c-f323-4dbc-a58e-ee5a13a13957 at www.fastmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> This stuff:
>>>>
>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Doug Treff
>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that the
sealant
>>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:07:26 -0400
>>>> From: Jeff Smith <svsailmates512 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
<CABpVgjhLZspAVo62VciJaF6krmvBhmcrYqB9J3Wn-uf6bi_hKA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>
>>>> I used 4200 to do my diesel and fresh water fills on the stern.
As Doug
>>>> said, though, I am getting tired of buying a $20 tube and using
$2 of it
>>>> only to have the rest harden.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, the leak in your head may also be from the
Traveller. If
>>>> you need to re-bed it, as well, it may be cost effective to use
4200. I had
>>>> water in my head but it was coming from the traveller bolts.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 8:02 AM Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This stuff:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry
>>>>> out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Doug Treff
>>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that
the sealant
>>>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:46:21 -0400
>>>> From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <F87DC5CA-46A2-400C-BCAA-FDD9C35B59A7 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> I second Darren?s recommendation. It?s way easier and less
messy than bedding compound or silicone sealant.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>> --
>>>> Joe Geiger
>>>> Vega #722
>>>> Greenwich Cove, RI
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4069, Issue 1
>>>> ******************************************
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:27:53 -0400
>>> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
<CA+rGV8b3Hq5wCLvpu3HxDr9XodvLSD2ciuW3CZbAPJJgBtwW1g at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>
>>> Sara
>>>
>>> Go to marine how to and read up on using the butyl tape. A
proper repair
>>> will address any damage (hopefully none) done to the core in
that area as
>>> well as ensure proper sealant on not only the flange but also
the screws.
>>> You can see how to go about this on that site. Keep in mind
that you may
>>> need to use some thickened epoxy to repair any water damage if
you find
>>> any.
>>>
>>> I bought two rolls of bed it tape 5 years ago. The only places
I wouldn?t
>>> recco bed it is for rebedding the deadlights and also for
rebedding hatch
>>> lenses. There you need a proper adhesive/sealant. Bed it is
not an
>>> adhesive so you can use it in areas that you need 'holding
power'.
>>>
>>> Regards and good luck
>>>
>>> Troy Dunn
>>> Hull #514
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:29:19 -0400
>>> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
<CA+rGV8ZjTsBDoqgVt5B9Cg8J1yUkL42Tfx3XucA0a6nr3CWqew at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>
>>> Ugh?that should have said can't use it, dang it.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 8:27 PM Troy Dunn
<troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>>
>>>> Go to marine how to and read up on using the butyl tape. A
proper repair
>>>> will address any damage (hopefully none) done to the core in
that area as
>>>> well as ensure proper sealant on not only the flange but also
the screws.
>>>> You can see how to go about this on that site. Keep in mind
that you may
>>>> need to use some thickened epoxy to repair any water damage if
you find
>>>> any.
>>>>
>>>> I bought two rolls of bed it tape 5 years ago. The only
places I
>>>> wouldn?t recco bed it is for rebedding the deadlights and also
for
>>>> rebedding hatch lenses. There you need a proper
adhesive/sealant. Bed
>>>> it is not an adhesive so you can use it in areas that you need
'holding
>>>> power'.
>>>>
>>>> Regards and good luck
>>>>
>>>> Troy Dunn
>>>> Hull #514
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 01:04:41 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID: <12798675.1722555.1627952681245 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>> Sara-
>>> I'm guessing that you need to remove the waste pump out hose
from the fitting to be able to lift up the fitting at least enough
to be able to clean the fitting and deck mating surfaces and apply
the tape (or to be able to completely remove the fitting if any deck
repair with epoxy is first needed).? If it hasn't been done before
based on your hull age, it may also be advisable to replace the
waste pump out hose from your tank to the fitting now. And ..... if
you are in any doubt about your waste hoses integrity, maybe "do the
dirty" and also replace the waste hose from the head into the tank.?
I replaced ALL, as well as the smaller diameter water feed hoses in
order to try to tackle an odor issue.? The hardest part was getting
my hand into position to remove and install the new waste pump out
hose end at the bottom of the tank.??
>>> Another comment ..... several people have recommended butyl
tape.? Be careful and consider if the fitting install screws may rip
the tape as you screw them in?? If there is any concern, then 4200
sealant may be better since you can also "butter" the screw threads
with 4200 to make sure you get a good seal (and wipe away the excess
on top).
>>> Dave Hupe
>>> 1994 C320 #32 ("Mayan Sun")
>>> Holland, MI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:49:24 -0400
>>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID:
<733a98cf-f157-4b1c-9582-3474f1fc94dc at www.fastmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>
>>> Yes that is correct. I redid my forward water fill fitting last
year the same way. However I will caution you that the screws are
only self-tapping screws, so you'll want to be careful about
overtightening them, which could strip the holes and cause you other
issues.
>>>
>>> Additionally, you'll probably need to tighten them a few times
over the next couple months, because the Butyl never really hardens.
And you'll occasionally need to clean up the butyl that oozes out
around the fitting until everything seats properly.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Doug Treff
>>> doug at treff.us
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, at 8:07 PM, SARA SCHROEDER wrote:
>>>> Thanks all. Butyl tape it is. Am I correct that I should
unscrew the
>>>> fitting and put the tap under the entire thing? I saw that the
hose is
>>>> "Ok" but I can foresee it needing to be replaced at some point
and on
>>>> quick glance that does not look like a fun job.
>>>> Sara
>>>> Wandering Star
>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Waste deck fitting leak (Sara Schroeder Skinner)
>>>>> 2. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Darren Hulbert)
>>>>> 3. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (John Morrison)
>>>>> 4. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Doug Treff)
>>>>> 5. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Jeff Smith)
>>>>> 6. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Joe Geiger)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 18:13:49 -0700
>>>>> From: Sara Schroeder Skinner <saras951 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: C320 Blog <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>>> Message-ID: <4B9BDB03-15EA-4BD8-93E9-94767A6A6287 at comcast.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:27:37 -0600
>>>>> From: Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>>> Message-ID: <A01035DF-BBE3-43D7-AAE4-BC2D829A2A63 at me.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 22:18:21 -0400
>>>>> From: John Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>>> Message-ID:
<EC3F5D6F-319C-4993-ACD4-AD4347F4E9B6 at sympatico.ca>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup butyl tape works as well as 3m4200.
>>>>> JohnM
>>>>> 1999#574
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 08:02:10 -0400
>>>>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>>>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>>> Message-ID:
<9db49a4c-f323-4dbc-a58e-ee5a13a13957 at www.fastmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> This stuff:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Doug Treff
>>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that
the sealant
>>>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:07:26 -0400
>>>>> From: Jeff Smith <svsailmates512 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>
<CABpVgjhLZspAVo62VciJaF6krmvBhmcrYqB9J3Wn-uf6bi_hKA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> I used 4200 to do my diesel and fresh water fills on the
stern. As Doug
>>>>> said, though, I am getting tired of buying a $20 tube and
using $2 of it
>>>>> only to have the rest harden.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said that, the leak in your head may also be from the
Traveller. If
>>>>> you need to re-bed it, as well, it may be cost effective to
use 4200. I had
>>>>> water in my head but it was coming from the traveller bolts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 8:02 AM Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This stuff:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because
it doesn't dry
>>>>>> out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Doug Treff
>>>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
wrote:
>>>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts
are for the
>>>>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling
water around
>>>>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that
the sealant
>>>>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use
to seal it
>>>>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:46:21 -0400
>>>>> From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>>> Message-ID: <F87DC5CA-46A2-400C-BCAA-FDD9C35B59A7 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> I second Darren?s recommendation. It?s way easier and less
messy than bedding compound or silicone sealant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joe Geiger
>>>>> Vega #722
>>>>> Greenwich Cove, RI
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4069, Issue 1
>>>>> ******************************************
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:48:06 +0000
>>> From: Ade Bateman <ade.bateman at outlook.com>
>>> To: Catalina C320 List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Long anchor roller bolts
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
<SJ0PR15MB475901EDFA75D75AC5F1B745E2F09 at SJ0PR15MB4759.namprd15.prod.
outlook.com>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I'm looking for advice on whether I need to add a fifth bolt for
the longer anchor roller. Details below.
>>>
>>> Yesterday I replaced my short, original anchor roller with the
longer version from Catalina Direct. I tried putting a Rocna 15 on
the short roller but, just like others on the list before me, I
couldn't make this work (I know some people have but I couldn't find
a way to secure it and not strike the hull).
>>>
>>> It was tricky to reach the bolts in front of the anchor locker,
but I managed it and eventually removed the old roller. The backing
plate for the original roller was securely attached underneath
including being partly embedded in some sealant that appeared to be
part of the deck/hull joint and I didn't want to remove it.
Fortunately, the new roller had the holes in the same place, so it
was a drop-in replacement. I reused the backing plate and the
original bolts with a liberal amount of 5200.
>>>
>>> Now to the question: how many bolts do the OEM longer rollers
use? My shorter roller had four in an offset staggered pattern every
3", two on each side 6" apart. The new roller also includes a fifth
hole, in line with the fourth. You can see this on the product page
[1].
>>>
>>> Having pondered this a little, I'm now wondering whether I need
to add this fifth bolt? Any thoughts? On the one hand, it was
securely fastened previously with four (and even with the bolts
removed it was hard to remove the original 5200). On the other,
there is more of a lifting moment now that the roller extends much
further forward. I'm not sure if adding another bolt will make a
significant difference. If I need to add another bolt, I will have
to drill down through the deck and original backing plate.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>>
>>> Ade.
>>> Sound Thinking, #257 1995.
>>>
>>> [1] Long Anchor Roller
https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-36/hull-deck/fo
rward/anchor-roller-long-c-28-c-30-c-310-c-320-c-34-c-36/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4070, Issue 1
>>> ******************************************
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 23:00:48 -0400
> From: Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
> Message-ID:
>
<mailman.14693.1628046056.6537.c320-list-catalina320.com at lists.catal
ina320.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Let me be a dissenter here, Sara.
>
> For many of us, everything on the boat is 15 or 20 years old. If
you subscribe to the theory that everything of that age has to go,
you will end up with an entirely new boat ? and a lot less money in
the bank.
>
> Yeah, my fridge had to be replaced when I bought my boat, and my
macerator pump, and my shower pump, and my bilge pump, and my
rigging, but there are many items on my boat that are functioning
quite well despite their age. Take the time to examine them before
you replace them.
>
> Hoses will show signs of wear and drip long before they split
open. They are designed to avoid catastrophic failure. Carry an old
bicycle tube and some hose clamps. If one goes, you can patch it
until you get to the next port.
>
> My propane hose is 20 years old and appears fine. So are the hoses
to the water heater. My water lines work well. The hose from the
anchor locker to the through hull looks like new. The scupper hoses
are great, although I had to replace one because the PO cut it
before the bank repossessed the boat.
>
> I did replace all of the hoses on the diesel when I bought the
boat. And I replaced my fuel system from the tank to the fuel pump.
I hated the stock fuel filter. Once I replaced it with a Racor 500,
I thought, What the hell, do it all. The old hoses didn?t fit
anyway.
>
> And never trust a hose clamp. Even though they claim to be
stainless steel, some parts of them never are. I learned this the
difficult way, when the clamp broke on the hose leading from the
holding tank to the through hull. Yecch.
>
> I guess what I?m saying is that replacing stuff can become an
addiction on a boat. It?s not always necessary.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: SARA SCHROEDER
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 9:05 PM
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>
> Ugh....I knew someone would suggest replacing all the waste hoses
while I'm in there. Yes, they are 21 years old and have never been
replaced. I've checked them many times and they seem ok but 21 years
is 21 years. So I guess I'm adding another "fun" project to the
list!
>
> Sara
> Wandering Star
> 2000/#707
>
>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 18:13:49 -0700
>>> From: Sara Schroeder Skinner <saras951 at comcast.net>
>>> To: C320 Blog <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID: <4B9BDB03-15EA-4BD8-93E9-94767A6A6287 at comcast.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water pools
on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling
water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears
that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed. What
should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>
>>> Sara
>>> Wandering Star
>>> 2000/#707
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:27:37 -0600
>>> From: Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID: <A01035DF-BBE3-43D7-AAE4-BC2D829A2A63 at me.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>
>>> Butyl tape
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>> Wandering Star
>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 22:18:21 -0400
>>> From: John Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID: <EC3F5D6F-319C-4993-ACD4-AD4347F4E9B6 at sympatico.ca>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Yup butyl tape works as well as 3m4200.
>>> JohnM
>>> 1999#574
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 08:02:10 -0400
>>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID:
<9db49a4c-f323-4dbc-a58e-ee5a13a13957 at www.fastmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> This stuff:
>>>
>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>
>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Doug Treff
>>> doug at treff.us
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that the
sealant
>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>> Wandering Star
>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:07:26 -0400
>>> From: Jeff Smith <svsailmates512 at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
<CABpVgjhLZspAVo62VciJaF6krmvBhmcrYqB9J3Wn-uf6bi_hKA at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>
>>> I used 4200 to do my diesel and fresh water fills on the stern.
As Doug
>>> said, though, I am getting tired of buying a $20 tube and using
$2 of it
>>> only to have the rest harden.
>>>
>>> Having said that, the leak in your head may also be from the
Traveller. If
>>> you need to re-bed it, as well, it may be cost effective to use
4200. I had
>>> water in my head but it was coming from the traveller bolts.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 8:02 AM Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> This stuff:
>>>>
>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry
>>>> out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Doug Treff
>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that the
sealant
>>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:46:21 -0400
>>> From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>> Message-ID: <F87DC5CA-46A2-400C-BCAA-FDD9C35B59A7 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> I second Darren?s recommendation. It?s way easier and less messy
than bedding compound or silicone sealant.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> --
>>> Joe Geiger
>>> Vega #722
>>> Greenwich Cove, RI
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4069, Issue 1
>>> ******************************************
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:27:53 -0400
>> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>> Message-ID:
>>
<CA+rGV8b3Hq5wCLvpu3HxDr9XodvLSD2ciuW3CZbAPJJgBtwW1g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Sara
>>
>> Go to marine how to and read up on using the butyl tape. A
proper repair
>> will address any damage (hopefully none) done to the core in that
area as
>> well as ensure proper sealant on not only the flange but also the
screws.
>> You can see how to go about this on that site. Keep in mind
that you may
>> need to use some thickened epoxy to repair any water damage if
you find
>> any.
>>
>> I bought two rolls of bed it tape 5 years ago. The only places
I wouldn?t
>> recco bed it is for rebedding the deadlights and also for
rebedding hatch
>> lenses. There you need a proper adhesive/sealant. Bed it is
not an
>> adhesive so you can use it in areas that you need 'holding
power'.
>>
>> Regards and good luck
>>
>> Troy Dunn
>> Hull #514
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:29:19 -0400
>> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>> Message-ID:
>>
<CA+rGV8ZjTsBDoqgVt5B9Cg8J1yUkL42Tfx3XucA0a6nr3CWqew at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Ugh?that should have said can't use it, dang it.
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 8:27 PM Troy Dunn
<troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sara
>>>
>>> Go to marine how to and read up on using the butyl tape. A
proper repair
>>> will address any damage (hopefully none) done to the core in
that area as
>>> well as ensure proper sealant on not only the flange but also
the screws.
>>> You can see how to go about this on that site. Keep in mind
that you may
>>> need to use some thickened epoxy to repair any water damage if
you find
>>> any.
>>>
>>> I bought two rolls of bed it tape 5 years ago. The only places
I
>>> wouldn?t recco bed it is for rebedding the deadlights and also
for
>>> rebedding hatch lenses. There you need a proper
adhesive/sealant. Bed
>>> it is not an adhesive so you can use it in areas that you need
'holding
>>> power'.
>>>
>>> Regards and good luck
>>>
>>> Troy Dunn
>>> Hull #514
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 01:04:41 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>> Message-ID: <12798675.1722555.1627952681245 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Sara-
>> I'm guessing that you need to remove the waste pump out hose from
the fitting to be able to lift up the fitting at least enough to be
able to clean the fitting and deck mating surfaces and apply the
tape (or to be able to completely remove the fitting if any deck
repair with epoxy is first needed).? If it hasn't been done before
based on your hull age, it may also be advisable to replace the
waste pump out hose from your tank to the fitting now. And ..... if
you are in any doubt about your waste hoses integrity, maybe "do the
dirty" and also replace the waste hose from the head into the tank.?
I replaced ALL, as well as the smaller diameter water feed hoses in
order to try to tackle an odor issue.? The hardest part was getting
my hand into position to remove and install the new waste pump out
hose end at the bottom of the tank.??
>> Another comment ..... several people have recommended butyl
tape.? Be careful and consider if the fitting install screws may rip
the tape as you screw them in?? If there is any concern, then 4200
sealant may be better since you can also "butter" the screw threads
with 4200 to make sure you get a good seal (and wipe away the excess
on top).
>> Dave Hupe
>> 1994 C320 #32 ("Mayan Sun")
>> Holland, MI
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:49:24 -0400
>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>> Message-ID:
<733a98cf-f157-4b1c-9582-3474f1fc94dc at www.fastmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> Yes that is correct. I redid my forward water fill fitting last
year the same way. However I will caution you that the screws are
only self-tapping screws, so you'll want to be careful about
overtightening them, which could strip the holes and cause you other
issues.
>>
>> Additionally, you'll probably need to tighten them a few times
over the next couple months, because the Butyl never really hardens.
And you'll occasionally need to clean up the butyl that oozes out
around the fitting until everything seats properly.
>>
>> --
>> Doug Treff
>> doug at treff.us
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, at 8:07 PM, SARA SCHROEDER wrote:
>>> Thanks all. Butyl tape it is. Am I correct that I should
unscrew the
>>> fitting and put the tap under the entire thing? I saw that the
hose is
>>> "Ok" but I can foresee it needing to be replaced at some point
and on
>>> quick glance that does not look like a fun job.
>>> Sara
>>> Wandering Star
>>> 2000/#707
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Waste deck fitting leak (Sara Schroeder Skinner)
>>>> 2. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Darren Hulbert)
>>>> 3. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (John Morrison)
>>>> 4. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Doug Treff)
>>>> 5. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Jeff Smith)
>>>> 6. Re: Waste deck fitting leak (Joe Geiger)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 18:13:49 -0700
>>>> From: Sara Schroeder Skinner <saras951 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: C320 Blog <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <4B9BDB03-15EA-4BD8-93E9-94767A6A6287 at comcast.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>> Wandering Star
>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:27:37 -0600
>>>> From: Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <A01035DF-BBE3-43D7-AAE4-BC2D829A2A63 at me.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 22:18:21 -0400
>>>> From: John Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <EC3F5D6F-319C-4993-ACD4-AD4347F4E9B6 at sympatico.ca>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Yup butyl tape works as well as 3m4200.
>>>> JohnM
>>>> 1999#574
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 08:02:10 -0400
>>>> From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
>>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID:
<9db49a4c-f323-4dbc-a58e-ee5a13a13957 at www.fastmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> This stuff:
>>>>
>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>
>>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Doug Treff
>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that the
sealant
>>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sara
>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:07:26 -0400
>>>> From: Jeff Smith <svsailmates512 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
<CABpVgjhLZspAVo62VciJaF6krmvBhmcrYqB9J3Wn-uf6bi_hKA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>
>>>> I used 4200 to do my diesel and fresh water fills on the stern.
As Doug
>>>> said, though, I am getting tired of buying a $20 tube and using
$2 of it
>>>> only to have the rest harden.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, the leak in your head may also be from the
Traveller. If
>>>> you need to re-bed it, as well, it may be cost effective to use
4200. I had
>>>> water in my head but it was coming from the traveller bolts.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 8:02 AM Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This stuff:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> And the best part... This roll will last you years because it
doesn't dry
>>>>> out and harden like a tube of sealant would.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Doug Treff
>>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner wrote:
>>>>>> Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the
>>>>>> aft side of the top shelf area just under where the bolts are
for the
>>>>>> track. I ripped apart the head today and tested pooling water
around
>>>>>> the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it appears that
the sealant
>>>>>> underneath the waste fitting has failed. What should I use to
seal it
>>>>>> once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:46:21 -0400
>>>> From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Waste deck fitting leak
>>>> Message-ID: <F87DC5CA-46A2-400C-BCAA-FDD9C35B59A7 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> I second Darren?s recommendation. It?s way easier and less
messy than bedding compound or silicone sealant.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>> --
>>>> Joe Geiger
>>>> Vega #722
>>>> Greenwich Cove, RI
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Darren Hulbert <dhulbert at me.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape
>>>>>
>>>>> Butyl tape
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Sara Schroeder Skinner
<saras951 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Twice now I?ve noticed a small leak in the head. The water
pools on the aft side of the top shelf area just under where the
bolts are for the track. I ripped apart the head today and tested
pooling water around the waste fitting on the deck. Sure enough it
appears that the sealant underneath the waste fitting has failed.
What should I use to seal it once I take the fitting off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>> Wandering Star
>>>>>> 2000/#707
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4069, Issue 1
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:48:06 +0000
>> From: Ade Bateman <ade.bateman at outlook.com>
>> To: Catalina C320 List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Long anchor roller bolts
>> Message-ID:
>>
<SJ0PR15MB475901EDFA75D75AC5F1B745E2F09 at SJ0PR15MB4759.namprd15.prod.
outlook.com>
>>
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>>
>> I'm looking for advice on whether I need to add a fifth bolt for
the longer anchor roller. Details below.
>>
>> Yesterday I replaced my short, original anchor roller with the
longer version from Catalina Direct. I tried putting a Rocna 15 on
the short roller but, just like others on the list before me, I
couldn't make this work (I know some people have but I couldn't find
a way to secure it and not strike the hull).
>>
>> It was tricky to reach the bolts in front of the anchor locker,
but I managed it and eventually removed the old roller. The backing
plate for the original roller was securely attached underneath
including being partly embedded in some sealant that appeared to be
part of the deck/hull joint and I didn't want to remove it.
Fortunately, the new roller had the holes in the same place, so it
was a drop-in replacement. I reused the backing plate and the
original bolts with a liberal amount of 5200.
>>
>> Now to the question: how many bolts do the OEM longer rollers
use? My shorter roller had four in an offset staggered pattern every
3", two on each side 6" apart. The new roller also includes a fifth
hole, in line with the fourth. You can see this on the product page
[1].
>>
>> Having pondered this a little, I'm now wondering whether I need
to add this fifth bolt? Any thoughts? On the one hand, it was
securely fastened previously with four (and even with the bolts
removed it was hard to remove the original 5200). On the other,
there is more of a lifting moment now that the roller extends much
further forward. I'm not sure if adding another bolt will make a
significant difference. If I need to add another bolt, I will have
to drill down through the deck and original backing plate.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>
>> Ade.
>> Sound Thinking, #257 1995.
>>
>> [1] Long Anchor Roller
https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-36/hull-deck/fo
rward/anchor-roller-long-c-28-c-30-c-310-c-320-c-34-c-36/
>>
>>
>>
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