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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Shore Power Receptacle (Sara Schroeder)
2. Re: Shore Power Receptacle (islgirl3 at aol.com)
3. Re: Shore Power Receptacle (islgirl3 at aol.com)
4. Re: Shore Power Receptacle (mseyler at cox.net)
5. Re: Shore Power Receptacle (Joe Grande)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 19:39:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Sara Schroeder <wanderingstar951 at comcast.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
Message-ID: <844521858.1282312.1709091578120 at connect.xfinity.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
This post is ever-so-timely!
I live in Seattle and bought Wandering Star in 2016. I sailed with the PO
for about five years prior to ownership and he had upgraded to a Smart Plug
sometime before I bought her.
Fast forwarding to this past weekend. Friday evening, I took WS over to
Bainbridge Island (large residential island off of Seattle to the West) for
the US Sailing, Safety At Sea, course and a corresponding Life Sling
training which I volunteered my boat for. When I left my slip, I took my
power cord with me as there would be power. When I unplugged her from the
stern receptacle, I was in a hurry to get across the water before dark
(going solo) and remember noticing the end of the plug was "warm." Note To
Self: Check that when you get there. Lots going on when I arrive so I
forget the Note To Self.
Saturday was the Life Sling training and part of the training was
on-the-water practice, deploying the Life Sling and getting it as close to a
floating MOB buoy as possible. Upon leaving the dock, I again, notice the
plug is "warm." Getting back to the dock I start looking around. The plug
looks fine. The receptacle attached to the boat looks fine. But, instinct
told me that I was away from my dock and something was amiss. Instead of
plugging in the closed cell oil space heater I brought I didn't. Sunday
morning arrived and I took the 42 degree chill off the boat with my Webasto
heater. (If you're asking yourself why I didn't run the Webasto over night
it's because I didn't want to burn through all the fuel as it draws from a
small secondary tank.)
Upon return to my marina, my ex offered to "take a look". During the
hour-plus crossing I determined that the power cord and SmartPlug must be
about 13 years old. This was not on my radar so I decided it was being
replaced regardless.
Another expensive trip to Fisheries (the local chandlery) resulted in a new
plug and a new receptacle. We pulled everything apart and when we pulled
the receptacle out of the stern, I about had heart failure. The entire
inside (just like Renegade) was melted. The wires were melted together and
the SmartPlug receptacle was melting on the inside of the casing.
We cut off the plug from the power cord and determined the cord was fine as
there was no damage internally on the cord. However, we replaced all of the
wires associated with the receptacle and replaced the plug.
I have to say the thought of the stern of my boat, and me, going up in
flames is sobering. I'll never unplug/plugin again without testing the temp
of the plug. I'll also unscrew the meager four screws out of the receptacle
every few years to make sure the wires are not doing something they
shouldn't.
Note To Self: Don't ignore the Notes To Self!
Gratefully,
Sara Schroeder
Wandering Star
Seattle
2000/#707
> On 02/27/2024 6:54 AM PST Guy Smith via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Bruce!
>
> Sorry for the confusion... I used to have a '97 C320... That was the
> boat that had a cord problems, probably 10-12 years old at the
> time(I'm guessing)...
> We traded up to the C445 two years ago but I like staying on the C320
> list for the great info that is shared. :) The C445 has smart plugs
> (2) and haven't had any issues.
>
> ~g
> Guy & Liz Smith
> sv Renegade
> 2017 Catalina 445 #26
> Worton Creek Marina, MD USA
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:07?AM Bruce Hunter <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >
> > A 2017 boat, I don't know, if it were older, like much older I'd say
it's possible they slowly corroded away but on a 7 or 8 year old boat I'd
have to say that was a loose connection from the factory.
> >
> > Bruce Hunter
> > Former owner 2000 320
> > New owner 2005 350 Miss Sea-ducer.
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:10 PM, Guy Smith via C320-list
> > <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > Hey All!
> >
> > I had a problem where I was burning up the plug on the yellow plug
> > cable and thought it was a cable plug problem. It turns out that the
> > wires
> > *inside* the locker on the back of the receptacle were corroded and,
> > one by one, the strands of the wires screwed down to the back of the
> > receptacle were burning through. Probably when we were running the
> > AC or if the Batteries were really low and the charger was drawing a lot
of power.
> > This was creating a lotta heat on the inside that was being
> > transferred via the male pins to the cable plugin on the other side.
> > I cleaned up the wires inside the locker and the problem went away.
> > (on the new plug I replaced on the cable.) So check the back of the
> > receptacle in the aft port locker to see the state of wiring.
> >
> > ~g
> >
> > Guy & Liz Smith
> > sv Renegade
> > 2017 Catalina 445 #26
> > Worton Creek Marina, MD USA
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:15?AM islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I assume this is the correct receptacle?
> > >
> > > Marinco 305CRR Marine Electrical Receptacle (30-Amp, 125-Volt,
> > > Female,
> > > Yellow)
> > >
> > > Rich 897
> > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 7:08 PM, Chris Burti via C320-list<
> > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: If anyone is converting
> > > to SmartPlug, I have a 50' 30 amp cord set that is almost unused
> > > as our spare and is available.
> > >
> > > Chris Burti
> > > Former C-320 #867
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on
> > > behalf of Josh Chisholm via C320-list
> > > <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 10:19 AM
> > > To: C320-List at catalina320.com <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > Cc: Josh Chisholm <josh.a.chisholm at gmail.com>; Brian McLamb via
> > > C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
> > >
> > > +1 on the SmartPlug?first upgrade I did after purchase. Original
> > > +Marinco
> > > had evidence of arcing probably from pulling the shore power cable
> > > under load. No bueno.
> > >
> > > -Josh C.
> > > #1139 S/V Catherine
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 06:47 KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A few years ago I replaced my 20 year old original failed
> > > > Marinco with
> > > an
> > > > expensive Smart Plug. A few years later it failed and am back
> > > > to
> > > Marinco,
> > > > only problem was that the one available at my marina was to big
> > > > so adjustments were required. So I was happy to use the
> > > > SmartPlug but not to happy with early failure.
> > > > Ken Geiger#765 2000 Northern Dream
> > > >
> > > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:28 a.m., Brian McLamb via C320-list<
> > > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Consider replacing it
> > > > with SmartPlug receptacle. My 2006 model yr 320 was a direct
> > > > replacement with no need to modify the existing foot print.
> > > > Bonus
> > > is
> > > > the ease of connecting and additional surge protection it provides.
> > > > S/V Serenity # 1075
> > > >
> > > > Brian McLamb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:21?AM islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> > > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I need to replace my shore power receptacle, before I remove
> > > > > it I would like to have one on hand. Does anyone have a part # ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RichBarbara Rita 897
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:47:27 +0000 (UTC)
From: "islgirl3 at aol.com" <islgirl3 at aol.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, Sara Schroeder via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
Message-ID: <1636253042.2016673.1709131647361 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I guess the real question is why isn't the breaker on the dock or on the
panel tripping??
Does the breaker on the boat need to replaced or downgraded?
Bad connections will always cause additional resistance .
Food for thought.
RichBarbara Rita 897
Sent from AOL on Android
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 10:40 PM, Sara Schroeder via
C320-list<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: This post is
ever-so-timely!?
I live in Seattle and bought Wandering Star in 2016.? I sailed with the PO
for about five years prior to ownership and he had upgraded to a Smart Plug
sometime before I bought her.?
Fast forwarding to this past weekend.? Friday evening, I took WS over to
Bainbridge Island (large residential island off of Seattle to the West) for
the US Sailing, Safety At Sea, course and a corresponding Life Sling
training which I volunteered my boat for. When I left my slip, I took my
power cord with me as there would be power. When I unplugged her from the
stern receptacle, I was in a hurry to get across the water before dark
(going solo) and remember noticing the end of the plug was "warm."? Note To
Self:? Check that when you get there.? Lots going on when I arrive so I
forget the Note To Self.?
Saturday was the Life Sling training and part of the training was
on-the-water practice, deploying the Life Sling and getting it as close to a
floating MOB buoy as possible.? Upon leaving the dock, I again, notice the
plug is "warm."? Getting back to the dock I start looking around.? The plug
looks fine. The receptacle attached to the boat looks fine.? But, instinct
told me that I was away from my dock and something was amiss.? Instead of
plugging in the closed cell oil space heater I brought I didn't.? Sunday
morning arrived and I took the 42 degree chill off the boat with my Webasto
heater. (If you're asking yourself why I didn't run the Webasto over night
it's because I didn't want to burn through all the fuel as it draws from a
small secondary tank.)
Upon return to my marina, my ex offered to "take a look".? During the
hour-plus crossing I determined that the power cord and SmartPlug must be
about 13 years old.? This was not on my radar so I decided it was being
replaced regardless.?
Another expensive trip to Fisheries (the local chandlery) resulted in a new
plug and a new receptacle.? We pulled everything apart and when we pulled
the receptacle out of the stern, I about had heart failure.? The entire
inside (just like Renegade) was melted.? The wires were melted together and
the SmartPlug receptacle was melting on the inside of the casing.
We cut off the plug from the power cord and determined the cord was fine as
there was no damage internally on the cord.? However, we replaced all of the
wires associated with the receptacle and replaced the plug.?
I have to say the thought of the stern of my boat, and me, going up in
flames is sobering. I'll never unplug/plugin again without testing the temp
of the plug.? I'll also unscrew the meager four screws out of the receptacle
every few years to make sure the wires are not doing something they
shouldn't.?
Note To Self:? Don't ignore the Notes To Self!
Gratefully,
Sara Schroeder
Wandering Star
Seattle
2000/#707
> On 02/27/2024 6:54 AM PST Guy Smith via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
>?
> Hey Bruce!
>
> Sorry for the confusion... I used to have a '97 C320... That was the
> boat that had a cord problems, probably 10-12 years old at the
> time(I'm guessing)...
> We traded up to the C445 two years ago but I like staying on the C320
> list for the great info that is shared. :) The C445 has smart plugs
> (2) and haven't had any issues.
>
> ~g
> Guy & Liz Smith
> sv Renegade
> 2017 Catalina 445 #26
> Worton Creek Marina, MD USA
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:07?AM Bruce Hunter <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >
> > A 2017 boat, I don't know, if it were older, like much older I'd say
it's possible they slowly corroded away but on a 7 or 8 year old boat I'd
have to say that was a loose connection from the factory.
> >
> > Bruce Hunter
> > Former owner 2000 320
> > New owner 2005 350 Miss Sea-ducer.
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:10 PM, Guy Smith via C320-list
> > <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > Hey All!
> >
> > I had a problem where I was burning up the plug on the yellow plug
> > cable and thought it was a cable plug problem. It turns out that the
> > wires
> > *inside* the locker on the back of the receptacle were corroded and,
> > one by one, the strands of the wires screwed down to the back of the
> > receptacle were burning through. Probably when we were running the
> > AC or if the Batteries were really low and the charger was drawing a lot
of power.
> > This was creating a lotta heat on the inside that was being
> > transferred via the male pins to the cable plugin on the other side.
> > I cleaned up the wires inside the locker and the problem went away.
> > (on the new plug I replaced on the cable.) So check the back of the
> > receptacle in the aft port locker to see the state of wiring.
> >
> > ~g
> >
> > Guy & Liz Smith
> > sv Renegade
> > 2017 Catalina 445 #26
> > Worton Creek Marina, MD USA
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:15?AM islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I assume this is the correct receptacle?
> > >
> > > Marinco 305CRR Marine Electrical Receptacle (30-Amp, 125-Volt,
> > > Female,
> > > Yellow)
> > >
> > > Rich 897
> > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > >
> > >? On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 7:08 PM, Chris Burti via C320-list<
> > >c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? If anyone is converting to
> > >SmartPlug, I have a 50' 30 amp cord set that is almost unused as
> > >our spare and is available.
> > >
> > > Chris Burti
> > > Former C-320 #867
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on
> > > behalf of Josh Chisholm via C320-list
> > > <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 10:19 AM
> > > To: C320-List at catalina320.com <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > Cc: Josh Chisholm <josh.a.chisholm at gmail.com>; Brian McLamb via
> > > C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
> > >
> > > +1 on the SmartPlug?first upgrade I did after purchase. Original
> > > +Marinco
> > > had evidence of arcing probably from pulling the shore power cable
> > > under load. No bueno.
> > >
> > > -Josh C.
> > > #1139 S/V Catherine
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 06:47 KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A few years ago I replaced my 20 year old? original failed
> > > > Marinco with
> > > an
> > > > expensive Smart Plug.? A few years later it failed and am back
> > > > to
> > > Marinco,
> > > > only problem was that the one available at my marina was to big
> > > > so adjustments were required. So I was happy to use the
> > > > SmartPlug but not to happy with early failure.
> > > > Ken Geiger#765 2000 Northern Dream
> > > >
> > > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > > >
> > > >? On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:28 a.m., Brian McLamb via C320-list<
> > > >c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? Consider replacing it
> > > >with SmartPlug receptacle. My 2006 model yr 320 was a direct
> > > >replacement with no need to modify the existing foot print. Bonus
> > > is
> > > > the ease of connecting and additional surge protection it provides.
> > > > S/V Serenity # 1075
> > > >
> > > > Brian McLamb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:21?AM islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> > > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I need to replace my shore power receptacle, before I remove
> > > > > it I would like to have one on hand. Does anyone have a part # ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RichBarbara Rita 897
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:47:27 +0000 (UTC)
From: "islgirl3 at aol.com" <islgirl3 at aol.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, Sara Schroeder via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
Message-ID: <1636253042.2016673.1709131647361 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I guess the real question is why isn't the breaker on the dock or on the
panel tripping??
Does the breaker on the boat need to replaced or downgraded?
Bad connections will always cause additional resistance .
Food for thought.
RichBarbara Rita 897
Sent from AOL on Android
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 10:40 PM, Sara Schroeder via
C320-list<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: This post is
ever-so-timely!?
I live in Seattle and bought Wandering Star in 2016.? I sailed with the PO
for about five years prior to ownership and he had upgraded to a Smart Plug
sometime before I bought her.?
Fast forwarding to this past weekend.? Friday evening, I took WS over to
Bainbridge Island (large residential island off of Seattle to the West) for
the US Sailing, Safety At Sea, course and a corresponding Life Sling
training which I volunteered my boat for. When I left my slip, I took my
power cord with me as there would be power. When I unplugged her from the
stern receptacle, I was in a hurry to get across the water before dark
(going solo) and remember noticing the end of the plug was "warm."? Note To
Self:? Check that when you get there.? Lots going on when I arrive so I
forget the Note To Self.?
Saturday was the Life Sling training and part of the training was
on-the-water practice, deploying the Life Sling and getting it as close to a
floating MOB buoy as possible.? Upon leaving the dock, I again, notice the
plug is "warm."? Getting back to the dock I start looking around.? The plug
looks fine. The receptacle attached to the boat looks fine.? But, instinct
told me that I was away from my dock and something was amiss.? Instead of
plugging in the closed cell oil space heater I brought I didn't.? Sunday
morning arrived and I took the 42 degree chill off the boat with my Webasto
heater. (If you're asking yourself why I didn't run the Webasto over night
it's because I didn't want to burn through all the fuel as it draws from a
small secondary tank.)
Upon return to my marina, my ex offered to "take a look".? During the
hour-plus crossing I determined that the power cord and SmartPlug must be
about 13 years old.? This was not on my radar so I decided it was being
replaced regardless.?
Another expensive trip to Fisheries (the local chandlery) resulted in a new
plug and a new receptacle.? We pulled everything apart and when we pulled
the receptacle out of the stern, I about had heart failure.? The entire
inside (just like Renegade) was melted.? The wires were melted together and
the SmartPlug receptacle was melting on the inside of the casing.
We cut off the plug from the power cord and determined the cord was fine as
there was no damage internally on the cord.? However, we replaced all of the
wires associated with the receptacle and replaced the plug.?
I have to say the thought of the stern of my boat, and me, going up in
flames is sobering. I'll never unplug/plugin again without testing the temp
of the plug.? I'll also unscrew the meager four screws out of the receptacle
every few years to make sure the wires are not doing something they
shouldn't.?
Note To Self:? Don't ignore the Notes To Self!
Gratefully,
Sara Schroeder
Wandering Star
Seattle
2000/#707
> On 02/27/2024 6:54 AM PST Guy Smith via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
>?
> Hey Bruce!
>
> Sorry for the confusion... I used to have a '97 C320... That was the
> boat that had a cord problems, probably 10-12 years old at the
> time(I'm guessing)...
> We traded up to the C445 two years ago but I like staying on the C320
> list for the great info that is shared. :) The C445 has smart plugs
> (2) and haven't had any issues.
>
> ~g
> Guy & Liz Smith
> sv Renegade
> 2017 Catalina 445 #26
> Worton Creek Marina, MD USA
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:07?AM Bruce Hunter <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >
> > A 2017 boat, I don't know, if it were older, like much older I'd say
it's possible they slowly corroded away but on a 7 or 8 year old boat I'd
have to say that was a loose connection from the factory.
> >
> > Bruce Hunter
> > Former owner 2000 320
> > New owner 2005 350 Miss Sea-ducer.
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:10 PM, Guy Smith via C320-list
> > <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > Hey All!
> >
> > I had a problem where I was burning up the plug on the yellow plug
> > cable and thought it was a cable plug problem. It turns out that the
> > wires
> > *inside* the locker on the back of the receptacle were corroded and,
> > one by one, the strands of the wires screwed down to the back of the
> > receptacle were burning through. Probably when we were running the
> > AC or if the Batteries were really low and the charger was drawing a lot
of power.
> > This was creating a lotta heat on the inside that was being
> > transferred via the male pins to the cable plugin on the other side.
> > I cleaned up the wires inside the locker and the problem went away.
> > (on the new plug I replaced on the cable.) So check the back of the
> > receptacle in the aft port locker to see the state of wiring.
> >
> > ~g
> >
> > Guy & Liz Smith
> > sv Renegade
> > 2017 Catalina 445 #26
> > Worton Creek Marina, MD USA
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:15?AM islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I assume this is the correct receptacle?
> > >
> > > Marinco 305CRR Marine Electrical Receptacle (30-Amp, 125-Volt,
> > > Female,
> > > Yellow)
> > >
> > > Rich 897
> > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > >
> > >? On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 7:08 PM, Chris Burti via C320-list<
> > >c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? If anyone is converting to
> > >SmartPlug, I have a 50' 30 amp cord set that is almost unused as
> > >our spare and is available.
> > >
> > > Chris Burti
> > > Former C-320 #867
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on
> > > behalf of Josh Chisholm via C320-list
> > > <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 10:19 AM
> > > To: C320-List at catalina320.com <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > Cc: Josh Chisholm <josh.a.chisholm at gmail.com>; Brian McLamb via
> > > C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
> > >
> > > +1 on the SmartPlug?first upgrade I did after purchase. Original
> > > +Marinco
> > > had evidence of arcing probably from pulling the shore power cable
> > > under load. No bueno.
> > >
> > > -Josh C.
> > > #1139 S/V Catherine
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 06:47 KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A few years ago I replaced my 20 year old? original failed
> > > > Marinco with
> > > an
> > > > expensive Smart Plug.? A few years later it failed and am back
> > > > to
> > > Marinco,
> > > > only problem was that the one available at my marina was to big
> > > > so adjustments were required. So I was happy to use the
> > > > SmartPlug but not to happy with early failure.
> > > > Ken Geiger#765 2000 Northern Dream
> > > >
> > > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > > >
> > > >? On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:28 a.m., Brian McLamb via C320-list<
> > > >c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? Consider replacing it
> > > >with SmartPlug receptacle. My 2006 model yr 320 was a direct
> > > >replacement with no need to modify the existing foot print. Bonus
> > > is
> > > > the ease of connecting and additional surge protection it provides.
> > > > S/V Serenity # 1075
> > > >
> > > > Brian McLamb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:21?AM islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> > > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I need to replace my shore power receptacle, before I remove
> > > > > it I would like to have one on hand. Does anyone have a part # ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RichBarbara Rita 897
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 12:23:02 -0600
From: <mseyler at cox.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
The breaker doesn't trip because it only detects current - how many amps are
being used - not what they're being used for. The problem is that some of
the amps are being converted to heat at the plug by the additional
resistance from corrosion, in addition to the amps used to charge the
batteries or run other electrical stuff. But unless the total number of
amps exceeds the breaker trip level, you can't count on the breaker to
provides protection from corrosion-induced heating at the plug, That won't
happen until the heat melts enough insulation to cause a direct short
circuit, which is about the same time the fire starts.
The moral of the story is just what Sara said: Always take it seriously
when anything electrical feels warmer than usual to the touch.
And I suppose I'll be opening up my 29-year-old electrical inlet to have a
look sometime soon!
Mark Seyler
S/V Reality,
Catalina 320, #232
New Orleans, LA
-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
islgirl3--- via C320-list
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 8:47 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com; Sara Schroeder via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Cc: islgirl3 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
I guess the real question is why isn't the breaker on the dock or on the
panel tripping? Does the breaker on the boat need to replaced or downgraded?
Bad connections will always cause additional resistance .
Food for thought.
RichBarbara Rita 897
Sent from AOL on Android
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 10:40 PM, Sara Schroeder via
C320-list<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: This post is
ever-so-timely!
I live in Seattle and bought Wandering Star in 2016. I sailed with the PO
for about five years prior to ownership and he had upgraded to a Smart Plug
sometime before I bought her.
Fast forwarding to this past weekend. Friday evening, I took WS over to
Bainbridge Island (large residential island off of Seattle to the West) for
the US Sailing, Safety At Sea, course and a corresponding Life Sling
training which I volunteered my boat for. When I left my slip, I took my
power cord with me as there would be power. When I unplugged her from the
stern receptacle, I was in a hurry to get across the water before dark
(going solo) and remember noticing the end of the plug was "warm." Note To
Self: Check that when you get there. Lots going on when I arrive so I
forget the Note To Self.
Saturday was the Life Sling training and part of the training was
on-the-water practice, deploying the Life Sling and getting it as close to a
floating MOB buoy as possible. Upon leaving the dock, I again, notice the
plug is "warm." Getting back to the dock I start looking around. The plug
looks fine. The receptacle attached to the boat looks fine. But, instinct
told me that I was away from my dock and something was amiss. Instead of
plugging in the closed cell oil space heater I brought I didn't. Sunday
morning arrived and I took the 42 degree chill off the boat with my Webasto
heater. (If you're asking yourself why I didn't run the Webasto over night
it's because I didn't want to burn through all the fuel as it draws from a
small secondary tank.)
Upon return to my marina, my ex offered to "take a look". During the
hour-plus crossing I determined that the power cord and SmartPlug must be
about 13 years old. This was not on my radar so I decided it was being
replaced regardless.
Another expensive trip to Fisheries (the local chandlery) resulted in a new
plug and a new receptacle. We pulled everything apart and when we pulled
the receptacle out of the stern, I about had heart failure. The entire
inside (just like Renegade) was melted. The wires were melted together and
the SmartPlug receptacle was melting on the inside of the casing.
We cut off the plug from the power cord and determined the cord was fine as
there was no damage internally on the cord. However, we replaced all of the
wires associated with the receptacle and replaced the plug.
I have to say the thought of the stern of my boat, and me, going up in
flames is sobering. I'll never unplug/plugin again without testing the temp
of the plug. I'll also unscrew the meager four screws out of the receptacle
every few years to make sure the wires are not doing something they
shouldn't.
Note To Self: Don't ignore the Notes To Self!
Gratefully,
Sara Schroeder
Wandering Star
Seattle
2000/#707
> On 02/27/2024 6:54 AM PST Guy Smith via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Bruce!
>
> Sorry for the confusion... I used to have a '97 C320... That was the
> boat that had a cord problems, probably 10-12 years old at the
> time(I'm guessing)...
> We traded up to the C445 two years ago but I like staying on the C320
> list for the great info that is shared. :) The C445 has smart plugs
> (2) and haven't had any issues.
>
> ~g
> Guy & Liz Smith
> sv Renegade
> 2017 Catalina 445 #26
> Worton Creek Marina, MD USA
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:07?AM Bruce Hunter <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >
> > A 2017 boat, I don't know, if it were older, like much older I'd say
it's possible they slowly corroded away but on a 7 or 8 year old boat I'd
have to say that was a loose connection from the factory.
> >
> > Bruce Hunter
> > Former owner 2000 320
> > New owner 2005 350 Miss Sea-ducer.
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:10 PM, Guy Smith via C320-list
> > <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > Hey All!
> >
> > I had a problem where I was burning up the plug on the yellow plug
> > cable and thought it was a cable plug problem. It turns out that the
> > wires
> > *inside* the locker on the back of the receptacle were corroded and,
> > one by one, the strands of the wires screwed down to the back of the
> > receptacle were burning through. Probably when we were running the
> > AC or if the Batteries were really low and the charger was drawing a lot
of power.
> > This was creating a lotta heat on the inside that was being
> > transferred via the male pins to the cable plugin on the other side.
> > I cleaned up the wires inside the locker and the problem went away.
> > (on the new plug I replaced on the cable.) So check the back of the
> > receptacle in the aft port locker to see the state of wiring.
> >
> > ~g
> >
> > Guy & Liz Smith
> > sv Renegade
> > 2017 Catalina 445 #26
> > Worton Creek Marina, MD USA
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:15?AM islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I assume this is the correct receptacle?
> > >
> > > Marinco 305CRR Marine Electrical Receptacle (30-Amp, 125-Volt,
> > > Female,
> > > Yellow)
> > >
> > > Rich 897
> > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 7:08 PM, Chris Burti via C320-list<
> > >c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: If anyone is converting to
> > >SmartPlug, I have a 50' 30 amp cord set that is almost unused as
> > >our spare and is available.
> > >
> > > Chris Burti
> > > Former C-320 #867
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on
> > > behalf of Josh Chisholm via C320-list
> > > <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 10:19 AM
> > > To: C320-List at catalina320.com <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > Cc: Josh Chisholm <josh.a.chisholm at gmail.com>; Brian McLamb via
> > > C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
> > >
> > > +1 on the SmartPlug?first upgrade I did after purchase. Original
> > > +Marinco
> > > had evidence of arcing probably from pulling the shore power cable
> > > under load. No bueno.
> > >
> > > -Josh C.
> > > #1139 S/V Catherine
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 06:47 KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A few years ago I replaced my 20 year old original failed
> > > > Marinco with
> > > an
> > > > expensive Smart Plug. A few years later it failed and am back
> > > > to
> > > Marinco,
> > > > only problem was that the one available at my marina was to big
> > > > so adjustments were required. So I was happy to use the
> > > > SmartPlug but not to happy with early failure.
> > > > Ken Geiger#765 2000 Northern Dream
> > > >
> > > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:28 a.m., Brian McLamb via C320-list<
> > > >c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Consider replacing it
> > > >with SmartPlug receptacle. My 2006 model yr 320 was a direct
> > > >replacement with no need to modify the existing foot print. Bonus
> > > is
> > > > the ease of connecting and additional surge protection it provides.
> > > > S/V Serenity # 1075
> > > >
> > > > Brian McLamb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:21?AM islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> > > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I need to replace my shore power receptacle, before I remove
> > > > > it I would like to have one on hand. Does anyone have a part # ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RichBarbara Rita 897
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 18:45:07 +0000
From: Joe Grande <joe_grande at msn.com>
To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi Sara. I, too, have a Smart Plug mounted in Whisper's transom. With the
heat generated around your breaker box in the lazarette, I am suspicious
that some PO rewiring was done with substandard gauge wire. That would allow
heat to pass to your Smart Plug. With their office on Lake Union, take them
the plug.
Joe Grande
Whisper
2000 #772
Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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________________________________
From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of Mark
Seyler via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 10:23:02 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Cc: mseyler at cox.net <mseyler at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
The breaker doesn't trip because it only detects current - how many amps are
being used - not what they're being used for. The problem is that some of
the amps are being converted to heat at the plug by the additional
resistance from corrosion, in addition to the amps used to charge the
batteries or run other electrical stuff. But unless the total number of
amps exceeds the breaker trip level, you can't count on the breaker to
provides protection from corrosion-induced heating at the plug, That won't
happen until the heat melts enough insulation to cause a direct short
circuit, which is about the same time the fire starts.
The moral of the story is just what Sara said: Always take it seriously
when anything electrical feels warmer than usual to the touch.
And I suppose I'll be opening up my 29-year-old electrical inlet to have a
look sometime soon!
Mark Seyler
S/V Reality,
Catalina 320, #232
New Orleans, LA
-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
islgirl3--- via C320-list
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 8:47 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com; Sara Schroeder via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Cc: islgirl3 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
I guess the real question is why isn't the breaker on the dock or on the
panel tripping? Does the breaker on the boat need to replaced or downgraded?
Bad connections will always cause additional resistance .
Food for thought.
RichBarbara Rita 897
Sent from AOL on Android
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 10:40 PM, Sara Schroeder via
C320-list<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: This post is
ever-so-timely!
I live in Seattle and bought Wandering Star in 2016. I sailed with the PO
for about five years prior to ownership and he had upgraded to a Smart Plug
sometime before I bought her.
Fast forwarding to this past weekend. Friday evening, I took WS over to
Bainbridge Island (large residential island off of Seattle to the West) for
the US Sailing, Safety At Sea, course and a corresponding Life Sling
training which I volunteered my boat for. When I left my slip, I took my
power cord with me as there would be power. When I unplugged her from the
stern receptacle, I was in a hurry to get across the water before dark
(going solo) and remember noticing the end of the plug was "warm." Note To
Self: Check that when you get there. Lots going on when I arrive so I
forget the Note To Self.
Saturday was the Life Sling training and part of the training was
on-the-water practice, deploying the Life Sling and getting it as close to a
floating MOB buoy as possible. Upon leaving the dock, I again, notice the
plug is "warm." Getting back to the dock I start looking around. The plug
looks fine. The receptacle attached to the boat looks fine. But, instinct
told me that I was away from my dock and something was amiss. Instead of
plugging in the closed cell oil space heater I brought I didn't. Sunday
morning arrived and I took the 42 degree chill off the boat with my Webasto
heater. (If you're asking yourself why I didn't run the Webasto over night
it's because I didn't want to burn through all the fuel as it draws from a
small secondary tank.)
Upon return to my marina, my ex offered to "take a look". During the
hour-plus crossing I determined that the power cord and SmartPlug must be
about 13 years old. This was not on my radar so I decided it was being
replaced regardless.
Another expensive trip to Fisheries (the local chandlery) resulted in a new
plug and a new receptacle. We pulled everything apart and when we pulled
the receptacle out of the stern, I about had heart failure. The entire
inside (just like Renegade) was melted. The wires were melted together and
the SmartPlug receptacle was melting on the inside of the casing.
We cut off the plug from the power cord and determined the cord was fine as
there was no damage internally on the cord. However, we replaced all of the
wires associated with the receptacle and replaced the plug.
I have to say the thought of the stern of my boat, and me, going up in
flames is sobering. I'll never unplug/plugin again without testing the temp
of the plug. I'll also unscrew the meager four screws out of the receptacle
every few years to make sure the wires are not doing something they
shouldn't.
Note To Self: Don't ignore the Notes To Self!
Gratefully,
Sara Schroeder
Wandering Star
Seattle
2000/#707
> On 02/27/2024 6:54 AM PST Guy Smith via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Bruce!
>
> Sorry for the confusion... I used to have a '97 C320... That was the
> boat that had a cord problems, probably 10-12 years old at the
> time(I'm guessing)...
> We traded up to the C445 two years ago but I like staying on the C320
> list for the great info that is shared. :) The C445 has smart plugs
> (2) and haven't had any issues.
>
> ~g
> Guy & Liz Smith
> sv Renegade
> 2017 Catalina 445 #26
> Worton Creek Marina, MD USA
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:07?AM Bruce Hunter <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >
> > A 2017 boat, I don't know, if it were older, like much older I'd say
it's possible they slowly corroded away but on a 7 or 8 year old boat I'd
have to say that was a loose connection from the factory.
> >
> > Bruce Hunter
> > Former owner 2000 320
> > New owner 2005 350 Miss Sea-ducer.
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:10 PM, Guy Smith via C320-list
> > <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > Hey All!
> >
> > I had a problem where I was burning up the plug on the yellow plug
> > cable and thought it was a cable plug problem. It turns out that the
> > wires
> > *inside* the locker on the back of the receptacle were corroded and,
> > one by one, the strands of the wires screwed down to the back of the
> > receptacle were burning through. Probably when we were running the
> > AC or if the Batteries were really low and the charger was drawing a lot
of power.
> > This was creating a lotta heat on the inside that was being
> > transferred via the male pins to the cable plugin on the other side.
> > I cleaned up the wires inside the locker and the problem went away.
> > (on the new plug I replaced on the cable.) So check the back of the
> > receptacle in the aft port locker to see the state of wiring.
> >
> > ~g
> >
> > Guy & Liz Smith
> > sv Renegade
> > 2017 Catalina 445 #26
> > Worton Creek Marina, MD USA
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:15?AM islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I assume this is the correct receptacle?
> > >
> > > Marinco 305CRR Marine Electrical Receptacle (30-Amp, 125-Volt,
> > > Female,
> > > Yellow)
> > >
> > > Rich 897
> > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 7:08 PM, Chris Burti via C320-list<
> > >c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: If anyone is converting to
> > >SmartPlug, I have a 50' 30 amp cord set that is almost unused as
> > >our spare and is available.
> > >
> > > Chris Burti
> > > Former C-320 #867
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on
> > > behalf of Josh Chisholm via C320-list
> > > <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 10:19 AM
> > > To: C320-List at catalina320.com <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > Cc: Josh Chisholm <josh.a.chisholm at gmail.com>; Brian McLamb via
> > > C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Shore Power Receptacle
> > >
> > > +1 on the SmartPlug?first upgrade I did after purchase. Original
> > > +Marinco
> > > had evidence of arcing probably from pulling the shore power cable
> > > under load. No bueno.
> > >
> > > -Josh C.
> > > #1139 S/V Catherine
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 06:47 KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A few years ago I replaced my 20 year old original failed
> > > > Marinco with
> > > an
> > > > expensive Smart Plug. A few years later it failed and am back
> > > > to
> > > Marinco,
> > > > only problem was that the one available at my marina was to big
> > > > so adjustments were required. So I was happy to use the
> > > > SmartPlug but not to happy with early failure.
> > > > Ken Geiger#765 2000 Northern Dream
> > > >
> > > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:28 a.m., Brian McLamb via C320-list<
> > > >c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Consider replacing it
> > > >with SmartPlug receptacle. My 2006 model yr 320 was a direct
> > > >replacement with no need to modify the existing foot print. Bonus
> > > is
> > > > the ease of connecting and additional surge protection it provides.
> > > > S/V Serenity # 1075
> > > >
> > > > Brian McLamb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:21?AM islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> > > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I need to replace my shore power receptacle, before I remove
> > > > > it I would like to have one on hand. Does anyone have a part # ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RichBarbara Rita 897
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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