[C320-list] ST4000 Compass
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Tue Jul 30 05:25:26 PDT 2024
Steve,
On our 97 (#441) C320, the compass was located in the aft cabin hanging locker.
Jack
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1. ST4000+ Mk 1 Display/Control Head (Melissa&Larry Leibman)
2. Re: ST4000+ Mk 1 Display/Control Head (Steve Weinstein)
3. Re: ST4000+ Mk 1 Display/Control Head (Michael Leschisin)
4. Re: In-mast wiring (mseyler at cox.net)
5. Re: In-mast wiring (Rich)
6. Re: ST4000+ Mk 1 Display/Control Head (KEN GEIGER)
7. Re: ST4000+ Mk 1 Display/Control Head (KEN GEIGER)
8. Re: In-mast wiring (P.F. Ross)
9. Re: steering issue (Troy Dunn)
10. Re: In-mast wiring (Dave Hupe)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:08:22 +0000 (UTC)
From: Melissa&Larry Leibman <theleibmans at verizon.net>
To: Melissa&Larry Leibman via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: [C320-list] ST4000+ Mk 1 Display/Control Head
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Steve, mine is in the aft stbd cockpit locker on the bulkhead separating the aft stateroom.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:42:34 +0000 (UTC)
From: Steve Weinstein <srw_jags at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] ST4000+ Mk 1 Display/Control Head
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Thanks.? I have an AC unit in that locker.? Looked in there but didn't see it.? Will look closer.
Steve
On Monday, July 29, 2024 at 04:12:43 PM EDT, Melissa&Larry Leibman via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
Steve, mine is in the aft stbd cockpit locker on the bulkhead separating the aft stateroom.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 16:05:36 -0500
From: Michael Leschisin <mleschisin at imagestudios.com>
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] ST4000+ Mk 1 Display/Control Head
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Hey Steve,
Mine is in the center of the bilge just forward of the engine. If I pull up the last center floor board it?s right under it.
Michael Leschisin
Wild Blue Yonder
C320 #995
Menominee, MI
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:17:42 -0500
From: <mseyler at cox.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] In-mast wiring
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On my 1995 No. 232, the cables from the masthead ran to connectors inside the base of the mast. The wind indicator wires were connected to wires from the helm in a separate box that was taped over with many layers of electrician's tape. The wiring for the anchor light and steaming light/deck light led to a 4-pin connector. The masthead VHF antenna had its own PL259 connector, also taped over many times. If your set up is like mine was, you may have to pull the mast to replace the cable.
When replaced the masthead wiring 2 years ago I pulled extra wire through the compression post, and ran unbroken wires all the way to the helm for the wind instrument, and to the nav station for the lighting and VHF cables. I left a foot or so of extra wire in the bilge at the base of the mast, so I could splice in connectors there if I need to pull the mast again. But even then I won't have any connections I can't reach without pulling the mast.
Mark Seyler
S/V Reality,
Catalina 320, #232
New Orleans, LA
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] In-mast wiring
I?m replacing my wind instrument cable. This runs through the compression post to the bilge then routed back to the wheel.
I have hull 787
On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 3:42?PM Steve Weinstein via C320-list < c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> I should know the answer to this, but before I go poking around, where
> are the cable connections for the in-mast wiring and where to the
> cables run to the inside of the boat? Do they run down the
> compression post, or are they under the headliner? Are the connectors
> in the mast step or inside the mast, or elsewhere?? How are the
> accessed? Thanks!! I've avoided messing with the wiring in the mast,
> but I have a few problems that have now popped up that need attention.
>
> Steve Weinstein,2000 C320 #722, Vega
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:47:09 -0400
From: Rich <randnallen at gmail.com>
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] In-mast wiring
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Question to you all: is it feasible to put a round 2? diameter hole near the base of the mast to be able to fish out connectors and service them with the mast up? The hole would be covered with an aluminum plate. I have seen this sort of things on other boats. Are there reasons not to do this. It may help in this situation.
Rich Allen, SV Destiny, #265, 1995
Mobile device, please pardon any errors
> On Jul 29, 2024, at 6:18?PM, Mark Seyler via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> ?On my 1995 No. 232, the cables from the masthead ran to connectors inside the base of the mast. The wind indicator wires were connected to wires from the helm in a separate box that was taped over with many layers of electrician's tape. The wiring for the anchor light and steaming light/deck light led to a 4-pin connector. The masthead VHF antenna had its own PL259 connector, also taped over many times. If your set up is like mine was, you may have to pull the mast to replace the cable.
>
> When replaced the masthead wiring 2 years ago I pulled extra wire through the compression post, and ran unbroken wires all the way to the helm for the wind instrument, and to the nav station for the lighting and VHF cables. I left a foot or so of extra wire in the bilge at the base of the mast, so I could splice in connectors there if I need to pull the mast again. But even then I won't have any connections I can't reach without pulling the mast.
>
>
> Mark Seyler
> S/V Reality,
> Catalina 320, #232
> New Orleans, LA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of Tong Yi via C320-list
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2024 3:00 PM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc: Tong Yi <laowai1975 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] In-mast wiring
>
> I?m replacing my wind instrument cable. This runs through the compression post to the bilge then routed back to the wheel.
>
> I have hull 787
>
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 3:42?PM Steve Weinstein via C320-list < c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should know the answer to this, but before I go poking around, where
>> are the cable connections for the in-mast wiring and where to the
>> cables run to the inside of the boat? Do they run down the
>> compression post, or are they under the headliner? Are the connectors
>> in the mast step or inside the mast, or elsewhere?? How are the
>> accessed? Thanks!! I've avoided messing with the wiring in the mast,
>> but I have a few problems that have now popped up that need attention.
>>
>> Steve Weinstein,2000 C320 #722, Vega
>>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:08:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: KEN GEIGER <kendgb at aol.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>, Steve Weinstein via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>, "c320-list at catalina320.com"
<c320-list at catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] ST4000+ Mk 1 Display/Control Head
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On #765 it is a Blackbox under aft cabin bed decking toward side of boat.
Ken Geiger#765 Northern Dream
Sent from AOL on Android
On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 3:31 p.m., Steve Weinstein via C320-list<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Just as an aside on this -- anyone have an idea where the factory hid the compass for the old autopilot?? I've looked everywhere and can't find it.? Seems like it should be someplace obvious but don't see it anywhere.
Steve Weinstein,2000 C320 #722, Vega
? ? On Monday, July 29, 2024 at 03:12:05 PM EDT, Michael Leschisin via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:?
Same decision on my part Larry?..
Had the unit failed in late September I probably would have invested in a EV-100 and taken the off season to install it.? The thought of pulling wires and installing parts while my dock neighbors were out enjoying the summer sailing was not a pleasant one.
Michael Leschisin
Wild Blue Yonder
C320 #995
Menominee, MI
> On Jul 29, 2024, at 1:55?PM, Melissa&Larry Leibman via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> Stephen, Michael, thank you both for your input.
>
> The display logic works fine. I can put the unit into Auto mode and click +10 and it shows it adjusting the heading correctly. I measured input to the display, and it measures correctly at the battery voltage. I measured the output voltage at the display to the motor itself. In reading on the RayMarine support site, it notes that the output to the motor should nominally be 12V but it uses a Pulse Width Modulated signal, so that typical voltmeters which can't read the signal at that pulse frequency should read about 5-6 V (a nominal average of 12V on/off).
>
> I get about 1.25V in one direction and less than 1V turning in the other.
>
> Contacting Dan is a good idea. I just ordered and installed a new LCD display from Dan a couple of months ago, so the display looks crisp and new. I've seen the units on EBay, and for me if I'm going to invest 500 or so on a new display, I'll probably just invest in a new EV-100 unit (but I also understand decisions in the other direction). The existing unit certainly doesn't owe me anything after 24 years. The main reason I'm looking for a display first is less about frugality (although I'd be untruthful if I said there wasn't an element of that :)) and more about dreading the new SeaTalk cable runs and possible wheel pilot sizing reqts (I've noted some had to drop their engine pod, etc.)
> Thanks again for all input,
> Larry
?
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:08:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: KEN GEIGER <kendgb at aol.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>, Steve Weinstein via C320-list
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>, "c320-list at catalina320.com"
<c320-list at catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] ST4000+ Mk 1 Display/Control Head
Message-ID: <180707859.735994.1722298091098 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On #765 it is a Blackbox under aft cabin bed decking toward side of boat.
Ken Geiger#765 Northern Dream
Sent from AOL on Android
On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 3:31 p.m., Steve Weinstein via C320-list<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Just as an aside on this -- anyone have an idea where the factory hid the compass for the old autopilot?? I've looked everywhere and can't find it.? Seems like it should be someplace obvious but don't see it anywhere.
Steve Weinstein,2000 C320 #722, Vega
? ? On Monday, July 29, 2024 at 03:12:05 PM EDT, Michael Leschisin via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:?
Same decision on my part Larry?..
Had the unit failed in late September I probably would have invested in a EV-100 and taken the off season to install it.? The thought of pulling wires and installing parts while my dock neighbors were out enjoying the summer sailing was not a pleasant one.
Michael Leschisin
Wild Blue Yonder
C320 #995
Menominee, MI
> On Jul 29, 2024, at 1:55?PM, Melissa&Larry Leibman via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> Stephen, Michael, thank you both for your input.
>
> The display logic works fine. I can put the unit into Auto mode and click +10 and it shows it adjusting the heading correctly. I measured input to the display, and it measures correctly at the battery voltage. I measured the output voltage at the display to the motor itself. In reading on the RayMarine support site, it notes that the output to the motor should nominally be 12V but it uses a Pulse Width Modulated signal, so that typical voltmeters which can't read the signal at that pulse frequency should read about 5-6 V (a nominal average of 12V on/off).
>
> I get about 1.25V in one direction and less than 1V turning in the other.
>
> Contacting Dan is a good idea. I just ordered and installed a new LCD display from Dan a couple of months ago, so the display looks crisp and new. I've seen the units on EBay, and for me if I'm going to invest 500 or so on a new display, I'll probably just invest in a new EV-100 unit (but I also understand decisions in the other direction). The existing unit certainly doesn't owe me anything after 24 years. The main reason I'm looking for a display first is less about frugality (although I'd be untruthful if I said there wasn't an element of that :)) and more about dreading the new SeaTalk cable runs and possible wheel pilot sizing reqts (I've noted some had to drop their engine pod, etc.)
> Thanks again for all input,
> Larry
?
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:45:01 -0500
From: "P.F. Ross" <pfrstl at gmail.com>
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] In-mast wiring
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All,
Before you go cutting a hole in the base of the mast (although my guess is
that a 2" round hole is not a problem), I suggest pulling up the narrow bit
of cabin sole just aft of the compression post. This is where my mast
wiring connected to boat wiring in some kind of a waterproof box. At least
this is what I recall when I un-stepped the mast in 2014.
I completely rewired the mast when down and ran all wires to their final
destinations without any junctions when stepping the mast. I left plenty
of slack wire coiled up in the bilge so that the next time the mast has to
come down it will be easy to cut those wires and add a junction box.
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 6:48?PM Rich via C320-list <
c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> Question to you all: is it feasible to put a round 2? diameter hole near
> the base of the mast to be able to fish out connectors and service them
> with the mast up? The hole would be covered with an aluminum plate. I have
> seen this sort of things on other boats. Are there reasons not to do this.
> It may help in this situation.
>
> Rich Allen, SV Destiny, #265, 1995
>
> Mobile device, please pardon any errors
>
> > On Jul 29, 2024, at 6:18?PM, Mark Seyler via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?On my 1995 No. 232, the cables from the masthead ran to connectors
> inside the base of the mast. The wind indicator wires were connected to
> wires from the helm in a separate box that was taped over with many layers
> of electrician's tape. The wiring for the anchor light and steaming
> light/deck light led to a 4-pin connector. The masthead VHF antenna had
> its own PL259 connector, also taped over many times. If your set up is
> like mine was, you may have to pull the mast to replace the cable.
> >
> > When replaced the masthead wiring 2 years ago I pulled extra wire
> through the compression post, and ran unbroken wires all the way to the
> helm for the wind instrument, and to the nav station for the lighting and
> VHF cables. I left a foot or so of extra wire in the bilge at the base of
> the mast, so I could splice in connectors there if I need to pull the mast
> again. But even then I won't have any connections I can't reach without
> pulling the mast.
> >
> >
> > Mark Seyler
> > S/V Reality,
> > Catalina 320, #232
> > New Orleans, LA
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
> Tong Yi via C320-list
> > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2024 3:00 PM
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Cc: Tong Yi <laowai1975 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] In-mast wiring
> >
> > I?m replacing my wind instrument cable. This runs through the
> compression post to the bilge then routed back to the wheel.
> >
> > I have hull 787
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 3:42?PM Steve Weinstein via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I should know the answer to this, but before I go poking around, where
> >> are the cable connections for the in-mast wiring and where to the
> >> cables run to the inside of the boat? Do they run down the
> >> compression post, or are they under the headliner? Are the connectors
> >> in the mast step or inside the mast, or elsewhere?? How are the
> >> accessed? Thanks!! I've avoided messing with the wiring in the mast,
> >> but I have a few problems that have now popped up that need attention.
> >>
> >> Steve Weinstein,2000 C320 #722, Vega
> >>
> >
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:10:59 -0400
From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] steering issue
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Under forward power the rudder acts just like the jet system on a personal
water craft, the boat turns because the flow is diverted by the rudder.
The same is not true when you are in reverse. With the rudder hard over
you would get the result you described. Suspect you gave a steering cable
or chain to failure. Definitely need to check to see if your emergency
tiller still works since that will help determine if you have an additional
reason that the cable failed (e.g. something jammed in between the strut
and the rudder. )
Good luck, definitely curious to hear what you find out.
Troy Dunn
Hull#514
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 01:29:24 +0000 (UTC)
From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] In-mast wiring
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Rank-
Straight runs without plugs/junctions definitely makes sense to assure best connections until you need to cut them.??
Dave Hupe
1994 C320 #32
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:45 PM, P.F. Ross via C320-list<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: All,
Before you go cutting a hole in the base of the mast (although my guess is
that a 2" round hole is not a problem), I suggest pulling up the narrow bit
of cabin sole just aft of the compression post.? This is where my mast
wiring connected to boat wiring in some kind of a waterproof box.? At least
this is what I recall when I un-stepped the mast in 2014.
I completely rewired the mast when down and ran all wires to their final
destinations without any junctions when stepping the mast.? I left plenty
of slack wire coiled up in the bilge so that the next time the mast has to
come down it will be easy to cut those wires and add a junction box.
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 6:48?PM Rich via C320-list <
c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> Question to you all: is it feasible to put a round 2? diameter hole near
> the base of the mast to be able to fish out connectors and service them
> with the mast up? The hole would be covered with an aluminum plate. I have
> seen this sort of things on other boats. Are there reasons not to do this.
> It may help in this situation.
>
> Rich Allen, SV Destiny, #265, 1995
>
> Mobile device, please pardon any errors
>
> > On Jul 29, 2024, at 6:18?PM, Mark Seyler via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?On my 1995 No. 232, the cables from the masthead ran to connectors
> inside the base of the mast.? The wind indicator wires were connected to
> wires from the helm in a separate box that was taped over with many layers
> of electrician's tape. The wiring for the anchor light and steaming
> light/deck light led to a 4-pin connector.? The masthead VHF antenna had
> its own PL259 connector, also taped over many times.? If your set up is
> like mine was, you may have to pull the mast to replace the cable.
> >
> > When replaced the masthead wiring 2 years ago I pulled extra wire
> through the compression post, and ran unbroken wires? all the way to the
> helm for the wind instrument, and to the nav station for the lighting and
> VHF cables.? I left a foot or so of extra wire in the bilge at the base of
> the mast, so I could splice in connectors there if I need to pull the mast
> again.? But even then I won't have any connections I can't reach without
> pulling the mast.
> >
> >
> > Mark Seyler
> > S/V Reality,
> > Catalina 320, #232
> > New Orleans, LA
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
> Tong Yi via C320-list
> > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2024 3:00 PM
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Cc: Tong Yi <laowai1975 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] In-mast wiring
> >
> > I?m replacing my wind instrument cable. This runs through the
> compression post to the bilge then routed back to the wheel.
> >
> > I have hull 787
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 3:42?PM Steve Weinstein via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I should know the answer to this, but before I go poking around, where
> >> are the cable connections for the in-mast wiring and where to the
> >> cables run to the inside of the boat?? Do they run down the
> >> compression post, or are they under the headliner?? Are the connectors
> >> in the mast step or inside the mast, or elsewhere??? How are the
> >> accessed?? Thanks!!? I've avoided messing with the wiring in the mast,
> >> but I have a few problems that have now popped up that need attention.
> >>
> >> Steve Weinstein,2000 C320 #722, Vega
> >>
> >
>
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