[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4668, Issue 2
Tim
chillinonahd at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 14 13:50:34 PDT 2024
Thanks all. Chuck, can you send photos of your bolted to toe rail cleat? I’m on Long Island Sound with a big ferry in our harbor. So need some really strong.
Thx
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Mid ship cleats (Jeff Hare)
2. Re: Mid ship cleats (David Wellerstein)
3. Re: Mid ship cleats (Jeff Hare)
4. Re: Mid ship cleats (David Wellerstein)
5. Re: Mid ship cleat (Chuck Mueller)
6. Re: Mid ship cleat (Rob Evans)
7. Re: Mid ship cleat (Dave Hupe)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 12:22:37 -0400
From: Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid ship cleats
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One of the real benefits of a mid ship cleat is short handed docking. The only issue I have with the Schaefer track cleats is that they are inboard far enough that you can damage a stanchion in some cases when docking in rough conditions.I've seen the result, and while the bent stanchion wasn't terrible to repair, it can happen if you drift to far forward or back under tension when docking.But for just tying up we never needed mid ship cleat for spring lines.? Just sprung from the forward and aft cleats.? We were on a tidal river dock with 1-3kt reversing current.??But the boat should have come from the factory with mids for sure.Jeff
-------- Original message --------From: Greg Flanagan via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> Date: 6/14/24 11:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: C320-List at catalina320.com Cc: Greg Flanagan <greg.flanagan at shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid ship cleats I have this cleat as well and used it prior to installing a permanent cleat. I use it on my starboard side for the odd times I dock on this side. A problem I found is it noisy when there is wind? as it lifts and rattles with the dock line stresses.GregHoop Dancer#1076Sidney, BC> On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:47?AM, Babak Minovi via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:> > ?These work for me.> > https://hardware.schaefermarine.com/products/mid-rail-chock-cleat-stainless-steel-70-75> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 9:25?AM Tim via C320-list <> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:> > > Hello fellow C320 owners,> > Now that I?ve moved from a mooring to a slip, I need mid ship cleats. Can> > anyone share how they have installed these and h
ow easy/difficult was the> > process?> > Thx> >> >> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone> >
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 09:30:09 -0700
From: David Wellerstein <dwellers at mac.com>
To: "C320-List at catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid ship cleats
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Great conversation!
I bought a pair of these: https://www.ronstan.com/us/s32-t-track-loop-slide.html from West on clearance to use as midship cleats but my rigger advised against having them as a potential foul source. Anyone have thoughts on that? I know stanchions are not for springing but?I would not swear to have never done that.
?David, C320 #118
David Wellerstein | dwellers at mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)
> On Jun 14, 2024, at 9:22?AM, Jeff Hare via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> One of the real benefits of a mid ship cleat is short handed docking. The only issue I have with the Schaefer track cleats is that they are inboard far enough that you can damage a stanchion in some cases when docking in rough conditions.I've seen the result, and while the bent stanchion wasn't terrible to repair, it can happen if you drift to far forward or back under tension when docking.But for just tying up we never needed mid ship cleat for spring lines. Just sprung from the forward and aft cleats. We were on a tidal river dock with 1-3kt reversing current. But the boat should have come from the factory with mids for sure.Jeff
> -------- Original message --------From: Greg Flanagan via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> Date: 6/14/24 11:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: C320-List at catalina320.com Cc: Greg Flanagan <greg.flanagan at shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid ship cleats I have this cleat as well and used it prior to installing a permanent cleat. I use it on my starboard side for the odd times I dock on this side. A problem I found is it noisy when there is wind as it lifts and rattles with the dock line stresses.GregHoop Dancer#1076Sidney, BC> On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:47?AM, Babak Minovi via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:> > ?These work for me.> > https://hardware.schaefermarine.com/products/mid-rail-chock-cleat-stainless-steel-70-75> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 9:25?AM Tim via C320-list <> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:> > > Hello fellow C320 owners,> > Now that I?ve moved from a mooring to a slip, I need mid ship cleats. Can> > anyone share how they have installed these and
how easy/difficult was the> > process?> > Thx> >> >> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone> >
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 12:32:01 -0400
From: Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid ship cleats
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The stress direction on the Genoa track is intended to be more upward.??The track cleat works fine for springs but it's pull is directly sideways, so long term use may require rebedding the track at some point, especially if the track experiences repeated sharp sideways loads.??But it'll work fine in most spring line use cases.Jeff
-------- Original message --------From: Dave Hupe via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> Date: 6/14/24 9:58 AM (GMT-05:00) To: c320-list at catalina320.com Cc: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid ship cleats Christian-Any concerns/signs of stress on the genoa track and possible leaks?Dave Hupe1994 C320 #32??? On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 09:49:21 AM EDT, Christian via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? Tim,for years I have used a mid ship cleat on my jib car track, and love it.Easy peasy to install, just slides on the track! Catalina direct has twomodelshttps://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-38/hull-deck/midship/midship-mooring-cleat-stainless-1-14quot-track/The pricier one at $181, but gorgeous.https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-38/hull-deck/midship/midship-mooring-cleat-on-car-1-14quot-track/$81I have two of the pricier ones, 8 years later, no probs.Hope this helps.-Christian1994 C320 #138 "Canuck" M
onroe Harbor, Chicago, ILOn Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 8:25?AM Tim via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:> Hello fellow C320 owners,> Now that I?ve moved from a mooring to a slip, I need mid ship cleats. Can> anyone share how they have installed these and how easy/difficult was the> process?> Thx>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>?
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 09:34:58 -0700
From: David Wellerstein <dwellers at mac.com>
To: "C320-List at catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid ship cleats
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Sorry, meant this one with the stop: https://www.ronstan.com/us/s32-t-track-loop-slide-stop.html
David Wellerstein | dwellers at mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)
> On Jun 14, 2024, at 9:30?AM, David Wellerstein via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> Great conversation!
>
> I bought a pair of these: https://www.ronstan.com/us/s32-t-track-loop-slide.html from West on clearance to use as midship cleats but my rigger advised against having them as a potential foul source. Anyone have thoughts on that? I know stanchions are not for springing but?I would not swear to have never done that.
>
> ?David, C320 #118
>
> David Wellerstein | dwellers at mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)
>
>> On Jun 14, 2024, at 9:22?AM, Jeff Hare via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>
>> One of the real benefits of a mid ship cleat is short handed docking. The only issue I have with the Schaefer track cleats is that they are inboard far enough that you can damage a stanchion in some cases when docking in rough conditions.I've seen the result, and while the bent stanchion wasn't terrible to repair, it can happen if you drift to far forward or back under tension when docking.But for just tying up we never needed mid ship cleat for spring lines. Just sprung from the forward and aft cleats. We were on a tidal river dock with 1-3kt reversing current. But the boat should have come from the factory with mids for sure.Jeff
>> -------- Original message --------From: Greg Flanagan via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> Date: 6/14/24 11:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: C320-List at catalina320.com Cc: Greg Flanagan <greg.flanagan at shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid ship cleats I have this cleat as well and used it prior to installing a permanent cleat. I use it on my starboard side for the odd times I dock on this side. A problem I found is it noisy when there is wind as it lifts and rattles with the dock line stresses.GregHoop Dancer#1076Sidney, BC> On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:47?AM, Babak Minovi via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:> > ?These work for me.> > https://hardware.schaefermarine.com/products/mid-rail-chock-cleat-stainless-steel-70-75> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 9:25?AM Tim via C320-list <> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:> > > Hello fellow C320 owners,> > Now that I?ve moved from a mooring to a slip, I need mid ship cleats. Can> > anyone share how they have installed these an
d how easy/difficult was the> > process?> > Thx> >> >> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone> >
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 12:36:02 -0400
From: Chuck Mueller <katchu at chartermi.net>
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I mounted a two bolt midship cleat on the toe rail. That is solid glass in that area and very strong. It was a little hard to get to the nuts, but not impossible and I fabricated some sort of backing plate. The cleat was not expensive, but I don?t recall the brand. This was done about 15 years ago, and there has been no leakage or stress cracks.
Chuck Mueller
Northwind #676
Holland, MI
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 13:25:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: Tim <chillinonahd at yahoo.com>
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Hello fellow C320 owners,?
Now that I?ve moved from a mooring to a slip, I need mid ship cleats. Can anyone share how they have installed these and how easy/difficult was the process? ?
Thx?
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 12:42:44 -0400
From: Rob Evans <robertcharlesevans at icloud.com>
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid ship cleat
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CatalinaDirect sells an inch and a quarter mid-ship cleat that slides and attaches on the jib sheet rails.
Rob Evans
> On Jun 14, 2024, at 12:37?PM, Chuck Mueller via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> ?I mounted a two bolt midship cleat on the toe rail. That is solid glass in that area and very strong. It was a little hard to get to the nuts, but not impossible and I fabricated some sort of backing plate. The cleat was not expensive, but I don?t recall the brand. This was done about 15 years ago, and there has been no leakage or stress cracks.
>
> Chuck Mueller
> Northwind #676
> Holland, MI
>
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 13:25:32 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Tim <chillinonahd at yahoo.com>
> To: "c320-list at lists.catalina320.com"
> <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Mid ship cleats
> Message-ID: <563417773.5913892.1718371532593 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Hello fellow C320 owners,?
> Now that I?ve moved from a mooring to a slip, I need mid ship cleats. Can anyone share how they have installed these and how easy/difficult was the process? ?
> Thx?
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 17:41:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
To: "c320-list at catalina320.com" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid ship cleat
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Chuck Mueller's approach about drilling on the toe rail and bolting in a mid-ship cleat is the best way to go.? I have personally seen his installations. This avoids sideways stress on the genoa track that it wasn't designed for and possible damage to stanchions if the dock line is run in a manner to put stress in the wrong places (since the cleats would be inboard). However, I have not yet been brave enough to do the drilling Chuck did and trying to contort my body to be able to bolt these in place.
Dave Hupe
1994 C320 #32
Holland, MI
On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 12:37:47 PM EDT, Chuck Mueller via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
I mounted a two bolt midship cleat on the toe rail.? That is solid glass in that area and very strong.? It was a little hard to get to the nuts, but not impossible and I fabricated some sort of backing plate.? The cleat was not expensive,? but I don?t recall the brand.? This was done about 15 years ago, and there has been no leakage or stress cracks.
Chuck Mueller
Northwind #676
Holland, MI
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