[C320-list] RE: C320-List Digest, Vol 3, Issue 30
Detrick, David (GE Commercial Finance)
David.Detrick at ge.com
Fri Dec 30 09:56:20 PST 2005
I just bought a 2004 C320. Are the Seaward leakage problems referenced
earlier applicable to this year of production? Thanks
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2. Jib measurements (Darrell)
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4. RE: Jib measurements (Allan Field)
5. RE: Water heater continued... (Pat Moriarty)
6. Re: Jib measurements (Steven Magennis)
7. RE: Water heater continued... (Adam Weiner)
8. RE: Water heater continued... (Adam Weiner)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:03:27 -0800 (PST)
From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
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Unless you are living on the boat I see no reason to leave the hot water
heater breaker on. When cruising the engine will keep the water hot for
a night and when you put the breaker on it heats up pretty rapidly. My
tank ports have plumbers tape around them and they seem ok
--- "Chris Block ..._/) ....._/)"
<cblock at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:
>
> b. For reasons too long to go into here, but as
> explained to me by
> the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the
> pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a
> fitting that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection
> bottle. I use a 2 liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim
> nearly every couple of weeks. Imagine 2 liters of water going into
> your bilge every two weeks! Of course, you have to remember to empty
> it out. While you are at it, Check the inspection port on your water
> tanks. Mine were so sloppy that when the takes were even half fill,
> water was leaking out when the boat heeled.
>
>
> Does this affect all years and hulls? Is there a better work-around?
> Is this why some owners put an expansion tank in?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
> Amore #139
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:24:48 -0800
From: "Darrell" <dgray at n-sea.org>
Subject: [C320-list] Jib measurements
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I was planning to look on the internet for a used 100-110% jib for
winter
sailing on my 94 C320. Does anyone know the forward triangle
measurements
off hand. Save me a trip to the boat. Darrell, Antares #88
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:39:41 -0500
From: "Allan Field" <Allan.Field at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
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Chris - I can address both of your issues from my perspective.
1. When any water is blowing off through the temperature-pressure (TP)
valve, it means the valve is faulty. They do fail fairly routinely.
Seaward will send a replacement valve for about $25 including shipping.
I
removed the entire tank to change the valve. Tank removal is NOT a fun
job.
In retrospect, I may have been able to change the TP valve by only
removing
the drawers and cabinet insert. When replacing the TP valve, be sure to
use
plenty of pipe dope. I use Real-Tuff Teflon Paste Thread Sealant from
Home
Depot as it is non-toxic, contains no lead, and works in temps from
-200F to
+550F and pressure to 10,000 PSI! A final note: I am reluctantly glad
that
I did remove the tank as I was able to dump out that last gallon or 2 of
water from the bottom of the tank that collects over the years and never
purges. This water was nasty smelling, nasty looking, and full of silt.
2. The inspection ports on the top of the water tanks leak regardless
of
just about anything I tried. I even used up to 12 wraps of Teflon pipe
tape
to no avail. I finally started used the Real-Tuff stuff (see above) and
no
more leaks, not even a drop! Any overflow goes where it should go, over
the
side through the overflow. For the first time since I have owned the
boat,
I have a completely dry bilge (except when the A/C is running; I haven't
yet
figured out how to get the condensate line to dump overboard versus into
the
bilge).
Hope this helps!
Allan S. Field
Sea Shadow - #808
Herrington Harbour South
Rosehaven, MD
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Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:
b. For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by
the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the
pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a
fitting
that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle. I use a
2
liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every couple of
weeks. Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every two weeks!
Of
course, you have to remember to empty it out. While you are at it,
Check
the inspection port on your water tanks. Mine were so sloppy that when
the
takes were even half fill, water was leaking out when the boat heeled.
Does this affect all years and hulls? Is there a better work-around?
Is
this why some owners put an expansion tank in?
Thanks,
Chris
Amore #139
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:42:59 -0500
From: "Allan Field" <Allan.Field at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [C320-list] Jib measurements
To: "'Darrell'" <dgray at n-sea.org>, "'C320-List'"
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Sea Shadow shows I = 43 feet, 7 inches, J = 12 feet, 4 inches, P = 38
feet,
0 inches, and E = 13 feet, 3 inches. Is this what you are looking for?
Allan S. Field
Sea Shadow - #808
Herrington Harbour South
Rosehaven, MD
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Subject: [C320-list] Jib measurements
I was planning to look on the internet for a used 100-110% jib for
winter
sailing on my 94 C320. Does anyone know the forward triangle
measurements
off hand. Save me a trip to the boat. Darrell, Antares #88
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:01:39 -0600
From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com>
Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
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Where is your AC located? Mine is in the starboard locker and high so it
drains to a fitting in the transom by the steps.
Pat
hull #130 11:39 AM 12/29/2005, you wrote:
>Chris - I can address both of your issues from my perspective.
>
>1. When any water is blowing off through the temperature-pressure (TP)
>valve, it means the valve is faulty. They do fail fairly routinely.
>Seaward will send a replacement valve for about $25 including shipping.
I
>removed the entire tank to change the valve. Tank removal is NOT a fun
job.
>In retrospect, I may have been able to change the TP valve by only
removing
>the drawers and cabinet insert. When replacing the TP valve, be sure
to use
>plenty of pipe dope. I use Real-Tuff Teflon Paste Thread Sealant from
Home
>Depot as it is non-toxic, contains no lead, and works in temps from
-200F to
>+550F and pressure to 10,000 PSI! A final note: I am reluctantly glad
that
>I did remove the tank as I was able to dump out that last gallon or 2
of
>water from the bottom of the tank that collects over the years and
never
>purges. This water was nasty smelling, nasty looking, and full of
silt.
>
>2. The inspection ports on the top of the water tanks leak regardless
of
>just about anything I tried. I even used up to 12 wraps of Teflon pipe
tape
>to no avail. I finally started used the Real-Tuff stuff (see above)
and no
>more leaks, not even a drop! Any overflow goes where it should go,
over the
>side through the overflow. For the first time since I have owned the
boat,
>I have a completely dry bilge (except when the A/C is running; I
haven't yet
>figured out how to get the condensate line to dump overboard versus
into the
>bilge).
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>Allan S. Field
>Sea Shadow - #808
>Herrington Harbour South
>Rosehaven, MD
>
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>Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
>
>Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:
>
>b. For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by
>the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the
>pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a
fitting
>that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle. I use
a 2
>liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every couple
of
>weeks. Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every two
weeks! Of
>course, you have to remember to empty it out. While you are at it,
Check
>the inspection port on your water tanks. Mine were so sloppy that when
the
>takes were even half fill, water was leaking out when the boat heeled.
>
>
>Does this affect all years and hulls? Is there a better work-around?
Is
>this why some owners put an expansion tank in?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
>Amore #139
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:30:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Steven Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Jib measurements
To: Darrell <dgray at n-sea.org>, C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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According to SailRite, the dimensions of a 115% jib for the C-320 are:
Luff: 36.23'
Leach: 32.06'
Foot: 16.03'
L.P. 14.18'
This would give a fairly high clew on the jib (the deck angle is 12
degrees whereas their genoa has a deck angle of 4 degrees).
The I, J, P, and E dimensions are as int eh previous answer.
Steve
Alchemist #909
--- Darrell <dgray at n-sea.org> wrote:
> I was planning to look on the internet for a used 100-110% jib for
> winter
> sailing on my 94 C320. Does anyone know the forward triangle
> measurements
> off hand. Save me a trip to the boat. Darrell, Antares #88
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:29:11 -0800
From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
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Told me (and I do) the same thing hull 218. I have more of an issue
with the shore power so when I leave the boat I turn off the breaker for
the water heater.
Adam
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Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:
b. For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by
the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the
pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a
fitting that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle.
I use a 2 liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every
couple of weeks. Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every
two weeks! Of course, you have to remember to empty it out. While you
are at it, Check the inspection port on your water tanks. Mine were so
sloppy that when the takes were even half fill, water was leaking out
when the boat heeled.
Does this affect all years and hulls? Is there a better work-around?
Is this why some owners put an expansion tank in?
Thanks,
Chris
Amore #139
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:35:14 -0800
From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
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I should clarify this a bit. When this problem materialized six years
ago I called Seaward. Ironically they are located very close to where I
grew up. They explained that although the problem does not exist in all
units, it is so common that in many newer (particularly larger) boats
there is an extra thru hull for this.
According to them, it does not mean that there is a malfunction in the
valve (which I replaced before talking with them) nor in the thermostat
(although he did offer to sell me a new one, he told me that it probably
would not fix the issue).
Now, the key factor is the amount of engine and/or shore power time. If
you don't use a lot of either, you won't have the problem. Again, also,
not all units will have the problem.
I have found that with running the engine about one hour per week, and
turning off the 110 when not using the boat, that the large Coke bottle
takes over a month to fill up.
By the way, tonight will be my 44 sail of the year.
Adam
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Told me (and I do) the same thing hull 218. I have more of an issue
with the shore power so when I leave the boat I turn off the breaker for
the water heater.
Adam
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Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:
b. For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by
the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the
pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a
fitting that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle.
I use a 2 liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every
couple of weeks. Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every
two weeks! Of course, you have to remember to empty it out. While you
are at it, Check the inspection port on your water tanks. Mine were so
sloppy that when the takes were even half fill, water was leaking out
when the boat heeled.
Does this affect all years and hulls? Is there a better work-around? Is
this why some owners put an expansion tank in?
Thanks,
Chris
Amore #139
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