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I don't think so; in fact I have not had the problem with the water heater
in the past 6 years.

I do the following:

1.    Only turn on the water heater when I need hot water.

2.    Only turn on the water pressure when I need water and never leave
either on when we leave the boat.

3.    Manage the water tanks by only selecting one at a time.  I typically
run the front tank dry then use the smaller aft tank.  I keep the bow tank
dry except for trips.  This allows the aft tank to be more or less fresh
water.

4.    Close ALL thru-hull fittings when we are not on the boat.  Never open
the head fitting except when needed.

Cheers,

Dick Walker

C-320 (687) WindWalker II

740 Olive Ave.

Coronado, CA 92118-2136

619.435.8986

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I just bought a 2004 C320. Are the Seaward leakage problems referenced

earlier applicable to this year of production? Thanks  

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Message: 1

Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:03:27 -0800 (PST)

From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water heater continued...

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Unless you are living on the boat I see no reason to leave the hot water

heater breaker on.  When cruising the engine will keep the water hot for

a night and when you put the breaker on it heats up pretty rapidly.  My

tank ports have plumbers tape around them and they seem ok

--- "Chris Block ..._/)   ....._/)"

<cblock at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:

> 

> b.    For reasons too long to go into here, but as

> explained to me by

> the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the 

> pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a 

> fitting that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection 

> bottle.  I use a 2 liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim 

> nearly every couple of weeks.  Imagine 2 liters of water going into 

> your bilge every two weeks!  Of course, you have to remember to empty 

> it out.  While you are at it,  Check the inspection port on your water

> tanks.  Mine were so sloppy that when the takes were even half fill, 

> water was leaking out when the boat heeled.

> 

> 

> Does this affect all years and hulls?  Is there a better work-around?

> Is this why some owners put an expansion tank in?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Chris

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Message: 2

Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:24:48 -0800

From: "Darrell" <dgray at n-sea.org>

Subject: [C320-list] Jib measurements

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I was planning to look on the internet for a used 100-110% jib for

winter 

sailing on my 94 C320. Does anyone know the forward triangle

measurements 

off hand. Save me a trip to the boat. Darrell, Antares #88 

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Message: 3

Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:39:41 -0500

From: "Allan Field" <Allan.Field at comcast.net>

Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...

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Chris - I can address both of your issues from my perspective.

1.  When any water is blowing off through the temperature-pressure (TP)

valve, it means the valve is faulty.  They do fail fairly routinely.

Seaward will send a replacement valve for about $25 including shipping.

I

removed the entire tank to change the valve.  Tank removal is NOT a fun

job.

In retrospect, I may have been able to change the TP valve by only

removing

the drawers and cabinet insert.  When replacing the TP valve, be sure to

use

plenty of pipe dope.  I use Real-Tuff Teflon Paste Thread Sealant from

Home

Depot as it is non-toxic, contains no lead, and works in temps from

-200F to

+550F and pressure to 10,000 PSI!  A final note: I am reluctantly glad

that

I did remove the tank as I was able to dump out that last gallon or 2 of

water from the bottom of the tank that collects over the years and never

purges.  This water was nasty smelling, nasty looking, and full of silt.

2.  The inspection ports on the top of the water tanks leak regardless

of

just about anything I tried.  I even used up to 12 wraps of Teflon pipe

tape

to no avail.  I finally started used the Real-Tuff stuff (see above) and

no

more leaks, not even a drop!  Any overflow goes where it should go, over

the

side through the overflow.  For the first time since I have owned the

boat,

I have a completely dry bilge (except when the A/C is running; I haven't

yet

figured out how to get the condensate line to dump overboard versus into

the

bilge).

Hope this helps!

Allan S. Field

Sea Shadow - #808

Herrington Harbour South

Rosehaven, MD

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Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...

Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:

b.    For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by

the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the

pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a

fitting

that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle.  I use a

2

liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every couple of

weeks.  Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every two weeks!

Of

course, you have to remember to empty it out.  While you are at it,

Check

the inspection port on your water tanks.  Mine were so sloppy that when

the

takes were even half fill, water was leaking out when the boat heeled.

Does this affect all years and hulls?  Is there a better work-around?

Is

this why some owners put an expansion tank in?

Thanks,

Chris

Amore #139

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Message: 4

Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:42:59 -0500

From: "Allan Field" <Allan.Field at comcast.net>

Subject: RE: [C320-list] Jib measurements

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Sea Shadow shows I = 43 feet, 7 inches, J = 12 feet, 4 inches, P = 38

feet,

0 inches, and E = 13 feet, 3 inches.  Is this what you are looking for?

Allan S. Field

Sea Shadow - #808

Herrington Harbour South

Rosehaven, MD

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Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:25 PM

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Subject: [C320-list] Jib measurements

I was planning to look on the internet for a used 100-110% jib for

winter 

sailing on my 94 C320. Does anyone know the forward triangle

measurements 

off hand. Save me a trip to the boat. Darrell, Antares #88 

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Message: 5

Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:01:39 -0600

From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com>

Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...

To: Allan.Field at comcast.net, C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>

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Where is your AC located? Mine is in the starboard locker and high so it

drains to a fitting in the transom by the steps.

Pat

hull #130 11:39 AM 12/29/2005, you wrote:

>Chris - I can address both of your issues from my perspective.

> 

>1.  When any water is blowing off through the temperature-pressure (TP)

>valve, it means the valve is faulty.  They do fail fairly routinely.

>Seaward will send a replacement valve for about $25 including shipping.

I

>removed the entire tank to change the valve.  Tank removal is NOT a fun

job.

>In retrospect, I may have been able to change the TP valve by only

removing

>the drawers and cabinet insert.  When replacing the TP valve, be sure

to use

>plenty of pipe dope.  I use Real-Tuff Teflon Paste Thread Sealant from

Home

>Depot as it is non-toxic, contains no lead, and works in temps from

-200F to

>+550F and pressure to 10,000 PSI!  A final note: I am reluctantly glad

that

>I did remove the tank as I was able to dump out that last gallon or 2

of

>water from the bottom of the tank that collects over the years and

never

>purges.  This water was nasty smelling, nasty looking, and full of

silt.

> 

>2.  The inspection ports on the top of the water tanks leak regardless

of

>just about anything I tried.  I even used up to 12 wraps of Teflon pipe

tape

>to no avail.  I finally started used the Real-Tuff stuff (see above)

and no

>more leaks, not even a drop!  Any overflow goes where it should go,

over the

>side through the overflow.  For the first time since I have owned the

boat,

>I have a completely dry bilge (except when the A/C is running; I

haven't yet

>figured out how to get the condensate line to dump overboard versus

into the

>bilge).

> 

>Hope this helps!

> 

>Allan S. Field

>Sea Shadow - #808

>Herrington Harbour South

>Rosehaven, MD

> 

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>Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...

> 

>Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:

> 

>b.    For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by

>the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the

>pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a

fitting

>that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle.  I use

a 2

>liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every couple

of

>weeks.  Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every two

weeks!  Of

>course, you have to remember to empty it out.  While you are at it,

Check

>the inspection port on your water tanks.  Mine were so sloppy that when

the

>takes were even half fill, water was leaking out when the boat heeled.

> 

> 

>Does this affect all years and hulls?  Is there a better work-around?

Is

>this why some owners put an expansion tank in?

> 

>Thanks,

> 

>Chris

>Amore #139

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Message: 6

Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:30:41 -0800 (PST)

From: Steven Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [C320-list] Jib measurements

To: Darrell <dgray at n-sea.org>, C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>

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According to SailRite, the dimensions of a 115% jib for the C-320 are:

Luff:  36.23'

Leach: 32.06'

Foot:  16.03'

L.P.   14.18'

This would give a fairly high clew on the jib (the deck angle is 12

degrees whereas their genoa has a deck angle of 4 degrees).

The I, J, P, and E dimensions are as int eh previous answer.

Steve

Alchemist #909

--- Darrell <dgray at n-sea.org> wrote:

> I was planning to look on the internet for a used 100-110% jib for

> winter 

> sailing on my 94 C320. Does anyone know the forward triangle

> measurements 

> off hand. Save me a trip to the boat. Darrell, Antares #88 

> 

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Message: 7

Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:29:11 -0800

From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>

Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...

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Told me (and I do) the same thing hull 218.  I have more of an issue

with the shore power so when I leave the boat I turn off the breaker for

the water heater.

Adam

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Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...

Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:

b.    For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by

the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the

pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a

fitting that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle.

I use a 2 liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every

couple of weeks.  Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every

two weeks!  Of course, you have to remember to empty it out.  While you

are at it,  Check the inspection port on your water tanks.  Mine were so

sloppy that when the takes were even half fill, water was leaking out

when the boat heeled.

Does this affect all years and hulls?  Is there a better work-around?

Is this why some owners put an expansion tank in?

Thanks,

Chris

Amore #139

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Message: 8

Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:35:14 -0800

From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>

Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...

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I should clarify this a bit.  When this problem materialized six years

ago I called Seaward.  Ironically they are located very close to where I

grew up.  They explained that although the problem does not exist in all

units, it is so common that in many newer (particularly larger) boats

there is an extra thru hull for this.

According to them, it does not mean that there is a malfunction in the

valve (which I replaced before talking with them) nor in the thermostat

(although he did offer to sell me a new one, he told me that it probably

would not fix the issue).

Now, the key factor is the amount of engine and/or shore power time.  If

you don't use a lot of either, you won't have the problem.  Again, also,

not all units will have the problem.

I have found that with running the engine about one hour per week, and

turning off the 110 when not using the boat, that the large Coke bottle

takes over a month to fill up.

By the way, tonight will be my 44 sail of the year.

Adam

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Told me (and I do) the same thing hull 218.  I have more of an issue

with the shore power so when I leave the boat I turn off the breaker for

the water heater.

Adam

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Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...

Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:

b.    For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by

the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the

pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a

fitting that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle.

I use a 2 liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every

couple of weeks.  Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every

two weeks!  Of course, you have to remember to empty it out.  While you

are at it,  Check the inspection port on your water tanks.  Mine were so

sloppy that when the takes were even half fill, water was leaking out

when the boat heeled.

Does this affect all years and hulls?  Is there a better work-around? Is

this why some owners put an expansion tank in?

Thanks,

Chris

Amore #139

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