[C320-list] RE: C320-List Digest, Vol 3, Issue 30
jsail320 at cox.net
jsail320 at cox.net
Fri Dec 30 10:38:18 PST 2005
Congrats on your new boat .... have you named her yet??
My C320 is a 2000 and I have not had the problem mentioned.
John
s/v Lady K
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> From: "Detrick, David \(GE Commercial Finance\)" <David.Detrick at ge.com>
> Date: 2005/12/30 Fri PM 12:56:20 EST
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> I just bought a 2004 C320. Are the Seaward leakage problems referenced
> earlier applicable to this year of production? Thanks
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> 1. Re: Water heater continued... (pat reynolds)
> 2. Jib measurements (Darrell)
> 3. RE: Water heater continued... (Allan Field)
> 4. RE: Jib measurements (Allan Field)
> 5. RE: Water heater continued... (Pat Moriarty)
> 6. Re: Jib measurements (Steven Magennis)
> 7. RE: Water heater continued... (Adam Weiner)
> 8. RE: Water heater continued... (Adam Weiner)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:03:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
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> Unless you are living on the boat I see no reason to leave the hot water
> heater breaker on. When cruising the engine will keep the water hot for
> a night and when you put the breaker on it heats up pretty rapidly. My
> tank ports have plumbers tape around them and they seem ok
>
> --- "Chris Block ..._/) ....._/)"
> <cblock at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:
> >
> > b. For reasons too long to go into here, but as
> > explained to me by
> > the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the
> > pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a
> > fitting that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection
> > bottle. I use a 2 liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim
> > nearly every couple of weeks. Imagine 2 liters of water going into
> > your bilge every two weeks! Of course, you have to remember to empty
> > it out. While you are at it, Check the inspection port on your water
>
> > tanks. Mine were so sloppy that when the takes were even half fill,
> > water was leaking out when the boat heeled.
> >
> >
> > Does this affect all years and hulls? Is there a better work-around?
>
> > Is this why some owners put an expansion tank in?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> > Amore #139
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:24:48 -0800
> From: "Darrell" <dgray at n-sea.org>
> Subject: [C320-list] Jib measurements
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> I was planning to look on the internet for a used 100-110% jib for
> winter
> sailing on my 94 C320. Does anyone know the forward triangle
> measurements
> off hand. Save me a trip to the boat. Darrell, Antares #88
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:39:41 -0500
> From: "Allan Field" <Allan.Field at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
> To: "'C320-List'" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> Chris - I can address both of your issues from my perspective.
>
> 1. When any water is blowing off through the temperature-pressure (TP)
> valve, it means the valve is faulty. They do fail fairly routinely.
> Seaward will send a replacement valve for about $25 including shipping.
> I
> removed the entire tank to change the valve. Tank removal is NOT a fun
> job.
> In retrospect, I may have been able to change the TP valve by only
> removing
> the drawers and cabinet insert. When replacing the TP valve, be sure to
> use
> plenty of pipe dope. I use Real-Tuff Teflon Paste Thread Sealant from
> Home
> Depot as it is non-toxic, contains no lead, and works in temps from
> -200F to
> +550F and pressure to 10,000 PSI! A final note: I am reluctantly glad
> that
> I did remove the tank as I was able to dump out that last gallon or 2 of
> water from the bottom of the tank that collects over the years and never
> purges. This water was nasty smelling, nasty looking, and full of silt.
>
>
> 2. The inspection ports on the top of the water tanks leak regardless
> of
> just about anything I tried. I even used up to 12 wraps of Teflon pipe
> tape
> to no avail. I finally started used the Real-Tuff stuff (see above) and
> no
> more leaks, not even a drop! Any overflow goes where it should go, over
> the
> side through the overflow. For the first time since I have owned the
> boat,
> I have a completely dry bilge (except when the A/C is running; I haven't
> yet
> figured out how to get the condensate line to dump overboard versus into
> the
> bilge).
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Allan S. Field
> Sea Shadow - #808
> Herrington Harbour South
> Rosehaven, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris Block
> ..._/)
> ....._/)
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:53 PM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
>
> Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:
>
> b. For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by
> the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the
> pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a
> fitting
> that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle. I use a
> 2
> liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every couple of
> weeks. Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every two weeks!
> Of
> course, you have to remember to empty it out. While you are at it,
> Check
> the inspection port on your water tanks. Mine were so sloppy that when
> the
> takes were even half fill, water was leaking out when the boat heeled.
>
>
> Does this affect all years and hulls? Is there a better work-around?
> Is
> this why some owners put an expansion tank in?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
> Amore #139
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:42:59 -0500
> From: "Allan Field" <Allan.Field at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Jib measurements
> To: "'Darrell'" <dgray at n-sea.org>, "'C320-List'"
> <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> Sea Shadow shows I = 43 feet, 7 inches, J = 12 feet, 4 inches, P = 38
> feet,
> 0 inches, and E = 13 feet, 3 inches. Is this what you are looking for?
>
> Allan S. Field
> Sea Shadow - #808
> Herrington Harbour South
> Rosehaven, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Darrell
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:25 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: [C320-list] Jib measurements
>
> I was planning to look on the internet for a used 100-110% jib for
> winter
> sailing on my 94 C320. Does anyone know the forward triangle
> measurements
> off hand. Save me a trip to the boat. Darrell, Antares #88
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:01:39 -0600
> From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com>
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
> To: Allan.Field at comcast.net, C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.2.20051229115931.01bb8968 at mail.logixonline.com>
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>
> Where is your AC located? Mine is in the starboard locker and high so it
>
> drains to a fitting in the transom by the steps.
> Pat
> hull #130 11:39 AM 12/29/2005, you wrote:
> >Chris - I can address both of your issues from my perspective.
> >
> >1. When any water is blowing off through the temperature-pressure (TP)
> >valve, it means the valve is faulty. They do fail fairly routinely.
> >Seaward will send a replacement valve for about $25 including shipping.
> I
> >removed the entire tank to change the valve. Tank removal is NOT a fun
> job.
> >In retrospect, I may have been able to change the TP valve by only
> removing
> >the drawers and cabinet insert. When replacing the TP valve, be sure
> to use
> >plenty of pipe dope. I use Real-Tuff Teflon Paste Thread Sealant from
> Home
> >Depot as it is non-toxic, contains no lead, and works in temps from
> -200F to
> >+550F and pressure to 10,000 PSI! A final note: I am reluctantly glad
> that
> >I did remove the tank as I was able to dump out that last gallon or 2
> of
> >water from the bottom of the tank that collects over the years and
> never
> >purges. This water was nasty smelling, nasty looking, and full of
> silt.
> >
> >2. The inspection ports on the top of the water tanks leak regardless
> of
> >just about anything I tried. I even used up to 12 wraps of Teflon pipe
> tape
> >to no avail. I finally started used the Real-Tuff stuff (see above)
> and no
> >more leaks, not even a drop! Any overflow goes where it should go,
> over the
> >side through the overflow. For the first time since I have owned the
> boat,
> >I have a completely dry bilge (except when the A/C is running; I
> haven't yet
> >figured out how to get the condensate line to dump overboard versus
> into the
> >bilge).
> >
> >Hope this helps!
> >
> >Allan S. Field
> >Sea Shadow - #808
> >Herrington Harbour South
> >Rosehaven, MD
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
> >[mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris Block
> ..._/)
> >....._/)
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:53 PM
> >To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> >Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
> >
> >Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:
> >
> >b. For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by
> >the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the
> >pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a
> fitting
> >that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle. I use
> a 2
> >liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every couple
> of
> >weeks. Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every two
> weeks! Of
> >course, you have to remember to empty it out. While you are at it,
> Check
> >the inspection port on your water tanks. Mine were so sloppy that when
> the
> >takes were even half fill, water was leaking out when the boat heeled.
> >
> >
> >Does this affect all years and hulls? Is there a better work-around?
> Is
> >this why some owners put an expansion tank in?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Chris
> >Amore #139
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:30:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Steven Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Jib measurements
> To: Darrell <dgray at n-sea.org>, C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <20051229183041.8966.qmail at web51114.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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> According to SailRite, the dimensions of a 115% jib for the C-320 are:
>
> Luff: 36.23'
> Leach: 32.06'
> Foot: 16.03'
> L.P. 14.18'
>
> This would give a fairly high clew on the jib (the deck angle is 12
> degrees whereas their genoa has a deck angle of 4 degrees).
>
> The I, J, P, and E dimensions are as int eh previous answer.
>
> Steve
> Alchemist #909
>
> --- Darrell <dgray at n-sea.org> wrote:
>
> > I was planning to look on the internet for a used 100-110% jib for
> > winter
> > sailing on my 94 C320. Does anyone know the forward triangle
> > measurements
> > off hand. Save me a trip to the boat. Darrell, Antares #88
> >
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:29:11 -0800
> From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
> To: "'C320-List'" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <002201c60cbe$ec9f9a00$6401a8c0 at LAdamWeiner>
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> Told me (and I do) the same thing hull 218. I have more of an issue
> with the shore power so when I leave the boat I turn off the breaker for
> the water heater.
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris Block
> ..._/) ....._/)
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:53 PM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
>
>
> Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:
>
> b. For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by
> the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the
> pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a
> fitting that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle.
> I use a 2 liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every
> couple of weeks. Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every
> two weeks! Of course, you have to remember to empty it out. While you
> are at it, Check the inspection port on your water tanks. Mine were so
> sloppy that when the takes were even half fill, water was leaking out
> when the boat heeled.
>
>
> Does this affect all years and hulls? Is there a better work-around?
> Is this why some owners put an expansion tank in?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
> Amore #139
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:35:14 -0800
> From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
> To: "'C320-List'" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <002301c60cd0$88b56d00$6401a8c0 at LAdamWeiner>
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> I should clarify this a bit. When this problem materialized six years
> ago I called Seaward. Ironically they are located very close to where I
> grew up. They explained that although the problem does not exist in all
> units, it is so common that in many newer (particularly larger) boats
> there is an extra thru hull for this.
>
> According to them, it does not mean that there is a malfunction in the
> valve (which I replaced before talking with them) nor in the thermostat
> (although he did offer to sell me a new one, he told me that it probably
> would not fix the issue).
>
> Now, the key factor is the amount of engine and/or shore power time. If
> you don't use a lot of either, you won't have the problem. Again, also,
> not all units will have the problem.
>
> I have found that with running the engine about one hour per week, and
> turning off the 110 when not using the boat, that the large Coke bottle
> takes over a month to fill up.
>
> By the way, tonight will be my 44 sail of the year.
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Adam Weiner
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:29 PM
> To: 'C320-List'
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
>
>
> Told me (and I do) the same thing hull 218. I have more of an issue
> with the shore power so when I leave the boat I turn off the breaker for
> the water heater.
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris Block
> ..._/) ....._/)
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:53 PM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Water heater continued...
>
>
> Can someone confirm and/or explain the below post:
>
> b. For reasons too long to go into here, but as explained to me by
> the representative of Seaward who manufactured the water heater, the
> pressure relief valve on the water heater should be connected to a
> fitting that is connected to a hose that goes into a collection bottle.
> I use a 2 liter former Coke bottle and it fills to the brim nearly every
> couple of weeks. Imagine 2 liters of water going into your bilge every
> two weeks! Of course, you have to remember to empty it out. While you
> are at it, Check the inspection port on your water tanks. Mine were so
> sloppy that when the takes were even half fill, water was leaking out
> when the boat heeled.
>
>
> Does this affect all years and hulls? Is there a better work-around? Is
> this why some owners put an expansion tank in?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
> Amore #139
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