[C320-list] Fresh water head-flush plumbing

Thu Aug 3 13:24:34 PDT 2006

Probably

Steve
Alchemist C-320

--- allan.field at comcast.net wrote:

> Wow!  I am impressed!  But why use anything like Pepsi, vinegar or
> dynamite if flushing with fresh water and keeping salt water out of
> the hoses in the first place does the trick?
> 
> Just out of curiosity, would Coke have achieved the same results as
> Pepsi? - Allan
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: Steve Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com> 
> 
> > Possibly, but Pepsi also contains a fair bit of phosphoric acid.
> The 
> > goal of using Pepsi was probably to dissolve the lime deposits with
> the 
> > acid. However, calcium phosphate has a solubility of 0.002 g / 100
> g 
> > of water, so pepsi would probably serve to harden the lime
> deposits, 
> > not remove them. 
> > 
> > Vinegar (as recommended by Peggie Hall and others) should serve to
> keep 
> > your drains free running and sanitary. 
> > 
> > Steve 
> > Alchemist C-320 
> > 
> > --- crashley at gte.net wrote: 
> > 
> > > Maybe the Pepsi promoted bacteria/organic growth. Lots of suger,
> you 
> > > know. 
> > > 
> > > CRA 
> > > Rosebud #882 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Allan Field" 
> > > To: "'John Van Vessem'" ; "'C320-List'" 
> > > 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:45 AM 
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fresh water head-flush plumbing 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On my previous boat, I flushed 100% with salt water. About twice
> a 
> > > year, I 
> > > poured a liter of Pepsi into the head and let it sit in the
> hoses, 
> > > the 
> > > theory being that it would dissolve the calcification from the
> salt 
> > > water 
> > > that builds up in the hoses over time. When I finally changed the
> 
> > > hose, it 
> > > was so calcified that Barry Bonds could have hit one out of the
> park 
> > > with 
> > > it. And the head odor eventually got to the point where the Best 
> > > Mate came 
> > > to detest going down to the boat. On the C320, it has never seen 
> > > salt water 
> > > through the hoses and 5 years later - knock on wood - there are 
> > > absolutely 
> > > no head odors. We keep a wide brim, rubber bottom, 16-ounce
> coffee 
> > > cup next 
> > > to the sink. For urine, we flush it through, follow with a cup of
> 
> > > water, 
> > > then leave a cup behind. At the end of the day, we flush 3 cups 
> > > through, 
> > > leave 2 behind, and a couple drops of the liquid chemical cleaner
> 
> > > added to 
> > > that left behind. We do this so that the water left behind won't 
> > > turn 
> > > during the week. But for some, I can see that this system is way
> too 
> > > many 
> > > moving parts! (grin!) 
> > > 
> > > We tried using the shower hose but find that it gets so caught up
> in 
> > > the 
> > > tilting drawers in the aft cabin that it just isn't worth the
> effort. 
> > > The 
> > > cup is so much easier. 
> > > 
> > > Allan S. Field 
> > > Sea Shadow - #808 
> > > Columbia, MD 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message----- 
> > > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of John Van 
> > > Vessem 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:21 PM 
> > > To: C320-List 
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fresh water head-flush plumbing 
> > > 
> > > Orlando, 
> > > 
> > > Real happy I finally got to meet you, by the way, the boat is 
> > > beautiful! 
> > > But having met you I don't think 12 ounces of water will flush 
> > > everything 
> > > away. If you know what I mean. So what do you do in that case. 
> > > 
> > > I still say easiest and simplest is use what the boat is designed
> 
> > > with. Why 
> > > have a sink in the head if your going to keep a gallon milk
> container 
> > > in it? 
> > > Why have a salt water intake going into the toilet if your not
> going 
> > > to use 
> > > it. So what about a little smell, open the hatch! 
> > > 
> > > John Van Vessem 
> > > Sojourn 645 
> > > Vallejo Yacht Club 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ---- 
> > > From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com 
> > > To: Catalina 320 List 
> > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:31:20 PM 
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fresh water head-flush plumbing 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Easiest and simplest that I do...close your sea water inlet and 
> > > everytime 
> > > you use toilet, have a 12oz plastic cup handy and use fresh water
> 
> > > from the 
> > > sink and flush...no fuss, no muss, no smell... 
> > > ------Original Message------ 
> > > From: 
> > > To: Catalina 320 List 
> > > ReplyTo: Catalina 320 List 
> > > Sent: Jul 31, 2006 10:24 PM 
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fresh water head-flush plumbing 
> > > 
> > > [Sent by: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com ] 
> > > You know, I've been reading all these fresh water flushing
> tactics 
> > > and I'm 
> > > just not sure it's worth all the hassle of filling the sink, etc,
> 
> > > every 
> > > time 
> > > you flush the damn head. I have noticed some odor on occasion but
> a 
> > > little 
> > > CP seems to freshen up the bowl just fine. Maybe as the years go
> by 
> > > the 
> > > plumbing will degrade to the point where I will be interested in
> this 
> > > but 
> > > for now I say keep it simple, go ahead and use the salt water
> inlet. 
> > > If 
> > > you 
> > > could hook up a separate freshwater tank and line to the head it 
> > > would be 
> > > one thing, and from the sounds of it a whole lot simpler. Just my
> 
> > > thoughts. 
> > > 
> > > CRA 
> > > Rosebud #882 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Adam Weiner" 
> > > To: "'C320-List'" 
> > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:28 PM 
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fresh water head-flush plumbing 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Wouldn't all of the lines be cleared in the same manner by
> using 
> > > the 
> > > > head sink faucet? 
> > > > 
> > > > I guess my concern is that I always look for a simple way to 
> > > accomplish 
> > > > the same thing. Mine requires no money, no extra (albeit cheap 
> > > > equipment like milk containers), etc. 
> > > > 
> > > > 33rd sail of the year last Sunday, nearly 700 miles. 
> > > > 
> > > > Adam 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message----- 
> > > > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > > > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Len 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:42 AM 
> > > > To: C320-List 
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fresh water head-flush plumbing 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Well, there's old seawater still in your head intake line (from
> 
> > > when you 
> > > > DID use seawater); just using the sink faucet into the head
> does 
> > > not get 
> > > > fresh water into that seawater intake line---that's still the
> smell 
> > > > source. However, when you add the simple connection from sink
> drain 
> > > to 
> > > > head intake line, freshwater flushes out that old seawater and 
> > > keeps 
> > > > freshwater running through all lines; if you use seawater 
> > > occasionally 
> > > > (e.g., run short of freshwater, etc.) the next time you flush
> with 
> > > > freshwater all lines 
> > > 
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