[C320-list] Dutchman system
crashley at gte.net
crashley at gte.net
Thu Aug 10 13:49:26 PDT 2006
Is that stacker system what is referred to as a "lazy jack" system?
CRA
Rosebud #882
>From: donauw at bellsouth.net
>Date: 2006/08/10 Thu AM 10:12:40 CDT
>To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
>I also sail mostly single handed and the Dutchman system does work. But it adds extra steps and generally is a pain in the butt. I've used the Doyle stacker system on charters and have found it much easier and very user friendly. When it comes time to replace the main, then I'll look in that direction.
>
>Regards,
>
>Don Dixon
>Stargazer, #605
>Washington Island, WI
>>
>> From: Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>
>> Date: 2006/08/10 Thu AM 10:53:52 EDT
>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
>>
>> I don't use the Dutchman when sailing, only after. I
>> release the topping lift, when sailing, this doesn't
>> affect the adjustment of the Dutchman.
>>
>> --- "Kurt R. Budelmann, M.D." <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > If you always have your boom parallel when sailing
>> > then your system works fine.
>> > __
>> > Kurt R. Budelmann
>> > Everwind, Catalina 320 #1035
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Chris Burti
>> > To: C320-List
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:43 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
>> >
>> >
>> > I can't follow that logic at all.
>> >
>> > I sail short-handed (solo for all practical
>> > purposes)
>> > so the Dutchman has been a blessing to me. I set
>> > up my
>> > Dutchman adjustment with a neutral vang which
>> > holds
>> > the boom parallel and also clears the boom over
>> > the
>> > bimini. The topping lift and mainsheet are snugged
>> > at
>> > that height.
>> >
>> > With the topping lift tight and the boom parallel
>> > to
>> > the deck, your bimini should be clear. At this
>> > configuration, both dutchman lines should be taut
>> > and
>> > parallel to each other and the mast.
>> >
>> > When dropping the main, I head into the wind, snug
>> > the
>> > topping lift first, mainsheet second and that
>> > leaves
>> > the dutchman lines taut...main drops and pretty
>> > much
>> > flakes itself.
>> >
>> > When the main is raised, I loosen the topping lift
>> > so
>> > that it doesn't alter the vang and mainsheet
>> > controls
>> > and will minimize chafe.
>> >
>> > Other than those occasional times when it comes
>> > out of
>> > the cam cleat, I never need to adjust it and I am
>> > still sailing with the original 2001 monofilament.
>> >
>> >
>> > Prudence dictates replacement this year, ...but
>> > procrastination seems to be taking the lead.
>> >
>> > Other than being slack about maintenance, what am
>> > I
>> > doing wrong?
>> >
>> > cb
>> >
>> > --- "Kurt R. Budelmann, M.D."
>> > <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > The problem with not adjusting the tensioning
>> > block
>> > > is that when you tighten the vang you can pull
>> > out
>> > > the aft most monofilament causing slack when
>> > boom
>> > > vang tension is released. Therefore at other
>> > times
>> > > you would always have to adjust boom vang
>> > tension to
>> > > keep the aft most Dutchman line tense when
>> > lowering
>> > > the mainsail.
>> > > __
>> > > Kurt R. Budelmann
>> > > Everwind, Catalina 320 #1035
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Chris Burti
>> > > To: joe at dolphinmortgage.com ; C320-List
>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:19 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Ditto...It allows the maximum benefit of
>> > having
>> > > the
>> > > dutchman by not having to fuss with
>> > adjustments.
>> > >
>> > > --- Joe Barrett <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I had a local canvas maker put two zippers
>> > in.
>> > > Much
>> > > > easier as you don't ever
>> > > > have to adjust the block.
>> > > > Joe Barrett
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> > > > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com]
>> > On
>> > > Behalf
>> > > > Of Chris Holt
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:08 PM
>> > > > To: C320-List
>> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
>> > > >
>> > > > I do exactly what Kurt suggests. I loosen
>> > the
>> > > > tension on the Dutchman
>> > > > lines. This allows sufficient slack to
>> > place
>> > > the
>> > > > sail cover on and the
>> > > > Dutchman lines feed out through the bottom
>> > of
>> > > the
>> > > > sail cover.
>> > > >
>> > > > Chris
>> > > > Wine Down #447
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "Kurt R. Budelmann, M.D."
>> > > > <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>> > > > To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:22 PM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > You should have a block where the topping
>> > lift
>> > > > attaches to the clew and you
>> > > > can loosen the tension on the Dutchman lines
>> > > enough
>> > > > that you can still cover
>> > > >
>> > > > the mainsail. The slack allows the Dutchman
>> > > line to
>> > > > snake down alongside
>> > > > the flaked sail and exit the sailcover from
>> > its
>> > > open
>> > > > bottom edge. You are
>> > > > still able to tension the topping lift with
>> > the
>> > > use
>> > > > of this block.
>> > > >
>> > > > __
>> > > > Kurt R. Budelmann
>> > > > Everwind, Catalina 320 #1035
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: Ben Waltuck
>> > > > To: C320-List
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:09 PM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm planning on setting up my Dutchman
>> > system
>> > > > tomorrow.. it came with
>> > > > the boat from the previous owner, and I
>> > just
>> > > never
>> > > > got around to
>> > > > installing it.
>> > > >
>> > > > My question is:
>> > > > My current sail cover doesn't have slits
>> > for
>> > > the
>> > > > vertical dutchman
>> > > > lines, so I think I'll need to drop the
>> > entire
>> > > > system down to put the
>> > > > cover over the boom.. I should be able to
>> > mark
>> > > the
>> > > > correct hoisted
>> > > > position on the topping lift with a
>> > permanent
>> > > > marker so that I can
>> > > > re-hoist the system each time before I
>> > hoist
>> > > the
>> > > > main.. but when I put
>> > > > it all away, I'll have no topping lift to
>> > my
>> > > > boom..
>> >
>> === message truncated ===
>>
>>
>> Chris Burti
>> "Commitment"
>> Catalina 320, #867,
>> Farmville, NC
>>
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