[C320-list] Dutchman system

Fri Aug 11 06:23:48 PDT 2006

Yes
Steve
Alchemist C-320 #909

--- crashley at gte.net wrote:

> Is that stacker system what is referred to as a "lazy jack" system?
> 
> CRA
> Rosebud #882
> 
> >From: donauw at bellsouth.net
> >Date: 2006/08/10 Thu AM 10:12:40 CDT
> >To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> >Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
> 
> >I also sail mostly single handed and the Dutchman system does work. 
> But it adds extra steps and generally is a pain in the butt.  I've
> used the Doyle stacker system on charters and have found it much
> easier and very user friendly.  When it comes time to replace the
> main, then I'll look in that direction.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Don Dixon
> >Stargazer, #605
> >Washington Island, WI
> >> 
> >> From: Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>
> >> Date: 2006/08/10 Thu AM 10:53:52 EDT
> >> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
> >> 
> >> I don't use the Dutchman when sailing, only after. I
> >> release the topping lift, when sailing, this doesn't
> >> affect the adjustment of the Dutchman.
> >> 
> >> --- "Kurt R. Budelmann, M.D." <krbmd77 at charter.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > If you always have your boom parallel when sailing
> >> > then your system works fine.
> >> > __
> >> > Kurt R. Budelmann
> >> > Everwind, Catalina 320 #1035
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >   From: Chris Burti 
> >> >   To: C320-List 
> >> >   Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:43 AM
> >> >   Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> >   I can't follow that logic at all.
> >> > 
> >> >   I sail short-handed (solo for all practical
> >> > purposes)
> >> >   so the Dutchman has been a blessing to me. I set
> >> > up my
> >> >   Dutchman adjustment with a neutral vang which
> >> > holds
> >> >   the boom parallel and also clears the boom over
> >> > the
> >> >   bimini. The topping lift and mainsheet are snugged
> >> > at
> >> >   that height.
> >> >    
> >> >   With the topping lift tight and the boom parallel
> >> > to
> >> >   the deck, your bimini should be clear. At this
> >> >   configuration, both dutchman lines should be taut
> >> > and
> >> >   parallel to each other and the mast.
> >> > 
> >> >   When dropping the main, I head into the wind, snug
> >> > the
> >> >   topping lift first, mainsheet second and that
> >> > leaves
> >> >   the dutchman lines taut...main drops and pretty
> >> > much
> >> >   flakes itself.
> >> > 
> >> >   When the main is raised, I loosen the topping lift
> >> > so
> >> >   that it doesn't alter the vang and mainsheet
> >> > controls
> >> >   and will minimize chafe.
> >> > 
> >> >   Other than those occasional times when it comes
> >> > out of
> >> >   the cam cleat, I never need to adjust it and I am
> >> >   still sailing with the original 2001 monofilament.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> >   Prudence dictates replacement this year, ...but
> >> >   procrastination seems to be taking the lead. 
> >> > 
> >> >   Other than being slack about maintenance, what am
> >> > I
> >> >   doing wrong?
> >> > 
> >> >   cb
> >> > 
> >> >   --- "Kurt R. Budelmann, M.D."
> >> > <krbmd77 at charter.net>
> >> >   wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >   > The problem with not adjusting the tensioning
> >> > block
> >> >   > is that when you tighten the vang you can pull
> >> > out
> >> >   > the aft most monofilament causing slack when
> >> > boom
> >> >   > vang tension is released.  Therefore at other
> >> > times 
> >> >   > you would always have to adjust boom vang
> >> > tension to
> >> >   > keep the aft most Dutchman line tense when
> >> > lowering
> >> >   > the mainsail.
> >> >   > __
> >> >   > Kurt R. Budelmann
> >> >   > Everwind, Catalina 320 #1035
> >> >   > 
> >> >   > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >   >   From: Chris Burti 
> >> >   >   To: joe at dolphinmortgage.com ; C320-List 
> >> >   >   Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:19 AM
> >> >   >   Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
> >> >   > 
> >> >   > 
> >> >   >   Ditto...It allows the maximum benefit of
> >> > having
> >> >   > the
> >> >   >   dutchman by not having to fuss with
> >> > adjustments.
> >> >   > 
> >> >   >   --- Joe Barrett <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >   > 
> >> >   >   > I had a local canvas maker put two zippers
> >> > in.
> >> >   > Much
> >> >   >   > easier as you don't ever
> >> >   >   > have to adjust the block.
> >> >   >   > Joe Barrett
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   > -----Original Message-----
> >> >   >   > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> >> >   >   > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com]
> >> > On
> >> >   > Behalf
> >> >   >   > Of Chris Holt
> >> >   >   > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:08 PM
> >> >   >   > To: C320-List
> >> >   >   > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   > I do exactly what Kurt suggests.   I loosen
> >> > the
> >> >   >   > tension on the Dutchman 
> >> >   >   > lines.  This allows sufficient slack to
> >> > place
> >> >   > the
> >> >   >   > sail cover on and the 
> >> >   >   > Dutchman lines feed out through the bottom
> >> > of
> >> >   > the
> >> >   >   > sail cover.
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   > Chris
> >> >   >   > Wine Down #447
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >   >   > From: "Kurt R. Budelmann, M.D."
> >> >   >   > <krbmd77 at charter.net>
> >> >   >   > To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> >> >   >   > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:22 PM
> >> >   >   > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   > You should have a block where the topping
> >> > lift
> >> >   >   > attaches to the clew and you 
> >> >   >   > can loosen the tension on the Dutchman lines
> >> >   > enough
> >> >   >   > that you can still cover
> >> >   >   > 
> >> >   >   > the mainsail.  The slack allows the Dutchman
> >> >   > line to
> >> >   >   > snake down alongside 
> >> >   >   > the flaked sail and exit the sailcover from
> >> > its
> >> >   > open
> >> >   >   > bottom edge.  You are 
> >> >   >   > still able to tension the topping lift with
> >> > the
> >> >   > use
> >> >   >   > of this block.
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   > __
> >> >   >   > Kurt R. Budelmann
> >> >   >   > Everwind, Catalina 320 #1035
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >   >   >   From: Ben Waltuck
> >> >   >   >   To: C320-List
> >> >   >   >   Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:09 PM
> >> >   >   >   Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dutchman system
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   >   I'm planning on setting up my Dutchman
> >> > system
> >> >   >   > tomorrow.. it came with
> >> >   >   >   the boat from the previous owner, and I
> >> > just
> >> >   > never
> >> >   >   > got around to
> >> >   >   >   installing it.
> >> >   >   >  
> >> >   >   >   My question is:
> >> >   >   >   My current sail cover doesn't have slits
> >> > for
> >> >   > the
> >> >   >   > vertical dutchman
> >> >   >   >   lines, so I think I'll need to drop the
> >> > entire
> >> >   >   > system down to put the
> >> >   >   >   cover over the boom.. I should be able to
> >> > mark
> >> >   > the
> >> >   >   > correct hoisted
> >> >   >   >   position on the topping lift with a
> >> > permanent
> >> >   >   > marker so that I can
> >> >   >   >   re-hoist the system each time before I
> >> > hoist
> >> >   > the
> >> >   >   > main.. but when I put
> >> >   >   >   it all away, I'll have no topping lift to
> >> > my
> >> >   >   > boom..
> >> > 
> >> === message truncated ===
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Chris Burti
> >> "Commitment"
> >> Catalina 320, #867, 
> >> Farmville, NC
> >> 
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