[C320-list] new main and jib sheets

[Joe Barrett]

When we race we always have the jib trimmer grinding and the person who
releases the old sheet turn and tail for the jib trimmer. How many wraps is
determined by windspeed. We usually always race with a 155% Genoa so there's
a lot of pressure. 
In light air two wraps are sufficient if you have someone tail, if not three
wraps but we never have 4 wraps, it's a recipe for an overlap that on a
windy day you might not be able to get out in time for your next maneuver.
Joe Barrett 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of John Van Vessem
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:25 AM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] new main and jib sheets
 
Pat,
 
Just a quick point, the winch requires 3 to 4 turns, minimum 3 according to
the manual
 
John Van Vessem
Sojourn 645
Vallejo Yacht Club 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----
From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com>
To: vergaar2004-catalina at yahoo.com; C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2006 5:34:49 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] new main and jib sheets
 
 
I just got the Marlow and had to wash it to make it even try to grip 
a winch and it is way too abrasive on my hands. The first time we 
used it my wife hollered I can't hold it as it slid around the winch 
with 2 wraps, totally not acceptable. So I am trying some new line 
and will let you know. It is setting by my desk and looks like it 
will be hand friendly compared to the Marlow.
 
Pat
 
#130
 
At 12:03 AM 8/7/2006, you wrote:
>hi Scott,
> 
>thanks for that detailed explanation! Have you looked
>at the Marlowbraid stuff? A bit more expensive, but
>perhaps worth it? It doesn't stretch as much and
>apparently works great on self-tailing winches.
> 
>I will write Layline for advice tomorrow.
> 
>Thanks, Koen
> 
>--- Scott Thompson <sthompson at toad.net> wrote:
> 
> > Regarding the Regatta Braid from NE Ropes, this
> > stuff feels great in
> > your hands and is easy to splice.  It's the
> > mainsheet of choice on the
> > J105 I race on, and I used it with great success as
> > the mainsheet on my
> > old Yamaha 30.  But...
> >
> > I'm not sure how well it works on a winch or with a
> > self tailing
> > mechanism.  I haven't used it in this application,
> > and suspect it will
> > not wear well if used this way.  The finish is quite
> > soft.  In the J105
> > it is used with a ratchet block and cam cleats.
> >
> > It stretches much more than most other polyester
> > (Dacron) lines.  This
> > could be a problem with the midboom sheeting
> > arrangement on a C320 or
> > for sheeting a big genoa.  You can tolerate some
> > stretch in sheets, but
> > I fear that on lines that are loaded enough to
> > require using a winch the
> > Regatta Braid might be a bit too stretchy.
> >
> > The great "hand" comes partly from a rather loose
> > single braid weave
> > (which also is why it tends to stretch).  This means
> > that it soaks up
> > water like a sponge.  It also means that individual
> > threads tend to snag
> > and pull out of the main rope rather easily.  These
> > become long loops of
> > yarn that have to be cut and tied off to prevent
> > further snags.  This is
> > the downside to a rope without a tightly woven
> > cover.
> >
> > In short, a great rope for some applications, but I
> > would be a bit
> > careful about testing some of the above features
> > before purchasing a lot
> > of it.  I'm somewhat skeptical that it would work
> > well on either main or
> > genoa sheets on a 320.  Maybe others can offer
> > testimony to the
> > contrary, in which case I will probably buy some
> > soon myself.
> > Otherwise, I would probably go with Staset (not
> > Staset X) for my sheets,
> > or something similar from another manufacturer.
> >
> > Scott Thompson
> > Surprise, 653
> >
> > Koen Bennebroek wrote:
> > > hi Jeff,
> > >
> > > finding sheets that handle nicely with bare hands
> > is also on my mind. I don't think the main halyard
> > needs to be replaced at this time, but the main
> > sheet does.
> > > I've heard praise for the New England Regatta
> > Braid line that West Marine carries, for sole use as
> > jib sheet. So I will check that out. But I have no
> > idea without going to the boat first what
> > diameter/length I need for jib and main. I was
> > hoping to find this answer here, but I guess I need
> > to wait until I've measured it on the boat.
> > >
> > > I think when it comes to replacing the halyard my
> > choices are more limited and I need to go with some
> > less-stretch cordage. But that's not on the shopping
> > list now.
> > >
> > > Will keep you posted on my selection and happiness
> > with the result.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Koen
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Jeffrey Hare <catalina at thehares.com>
> > > To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2006 4:24:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] new main and jib sheets
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Koen,
> > >
> > > I replaced my Main Halyard with Yale Crystaline
> > and am pleased with it,
> > > although it is much stiffer than the original
> > factory bungy cord that ships
> > > with the boat.  I think others have done this too.
> >  I think 110' is what we
> > > have for the Main.  The line came from
> > www.pyacht.com.
> > >
> > > As for the Genoa sheets, I'd recommend getting
> > something that has a nice
> > > soft feel in your hands.  Stretch is ok in Genoa
> > sheets.  Calling the guys
> > > at Layline (www.layline.com), they can give you
> > really good advice for
> > > choosing lines that meet your needs.
> > >
> > > Let us know what you choose!
> > > -JeffH
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Koen Bennebroek
> > [mailto:vergaar2004-catalina at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 6:28 PM
> > > To: C320-List
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] new main and jib sheets
> > >
> > > A little bit more info:
> > > what I'm looking for is how to choose from the
> > likes of Sta-Set , Sta-Set-X,
> > > Samson XLS, Samson Trophy Braid or Marlow Braid..I
> > would like to get sheets
> > > that in order of decreasing priority:
> > > - don't wear too quickly over time
> > > - don't stretch too much (although I'm not sure
> > what the measure is here..)
> > > - feel good on your hands
> > > - come in 'tracer' colors
> > >
> > > We do not race, so I don't think we need any of
> > the performance line like
> > > Dyneema.
> > >
> > > Also, not being at the boat now, which diameter do
> > I need and how long do
> > > the sheets need to be?
> > > Anything else we need to keep in mind when
> > purchasing new sheets?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any insights.
> > >
> > > -Koen
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Koen Bennebroek
> > <vergaar2004-catalina at yahoo.com>
> > > To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2006 1:24:53 PM
> > > Subject: [C320-list] new main and jib sheets
> > >
> > >
> > > We're looking into getting new main and jib sheets
> > for Big Cat. Any advice
> > > on brand, type, shop? What's the recommended
> > length for the 320?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Koen
> >
> >
> >