[C320-list] new main and jib sheets

[Pat Moriarty]

I have used 3 different sheets and the Marlow is the only one that 
would not work with 2 wraps in 15 MPH. Some soft as cotton spin 
sheets that are 25 years old and 3/8 worked just fine. The Marlow 
might work if I could just break them in and not hurt anyone but I 
think I will just set them aside for now. I got some new line off 
e-bay and it looks to be fairly good but I need a another sail or too 
to decide. At least the price was right even if the measurements are 
wrong. The line came in at 7/16 not 3/8 but that may be a good 
compromise for light wind and heavy wind use.

Pat

#130

At 11:25 PM 8/14/2006, you wrote:
>Pat,
>
>Just a quick point, the winch requires 3 to 4 turns, minimum 3 
>according to the manual
>
>John Van Vessem
>Sojourn 645
>Vallejo Yacht Club
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com>
>To: vergaar2004-catalina at yahoo.com; C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 7, 2006 5:34:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [C320-list] new main and jib sheets
>
>
>I just got the Marlow and had to wash it to make it even try to grip
>a winch and it is way too abrasive on my hands. The first time we
>used it my wife hollered I can't hold it as it slid around the winch
>with 2 wraps, totally not acceptable. So I am trying some new line
>and will let you know. It is setting by my desk and looks like it
>will be hand friendly compared to the Marlow.
>
>Pat
>
>#130
>
>At 12:03 AM 8/7/2006, you wrote:
> >hi Scott,
> >
> >thanks for that detailed explanation! Have you looked
> >at the Marlowbraid stuff? A bit more expensive, but
> >perhaps worth it? It doesn't stretch as much and
> >apparently works great on self-tailing winches.
> >
> >I will write Layline for advice tomorrow.
> >
> >Thanks, Koen
> >
> >--- Scott Thompson <sthompson at toad.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Regarding the Regatta Braid from NE Ropes, this
> > > stuff feels great in
> > > your hands and is easy to splice.  It's the
> > > mainsheet of choice on the
> > > J105 I race on, and I used it with great success as
> > > the mainsheet on my
> > > old Yamaha 30.  But...
> > >
> > > I'm not sure how well it works on a winch or with a
> > > self tailing
> > > mechanism.  I haven't used it in this application,
> > > and suspect it will
> > > not wear well if used this way.  The finish is quite
> > > soft.  In the J105
> > > it is used with a ratchet block and cam cleats.
> > >
> > > It stretches much more than most other polyester
> > > (Dacron) lines.  This
> > > could be a problem with the midboom sheeting
> > > arrangement on a C320 or
> > > for sheeting a big genoa.  You can tolerate some
> > > stretch in sheets, but
> > > I fear that on lines that are loaded enough to
> > > require using a winch the
> > > Regatta Braid might be a bit too stretchy.
> > >
> > > The great "hand" comes partly from a rather loose
> > > single braid weave
> > > (which also is why it tends to stretch).  This means
> > > that it soaks up
> > > water like a sponge.  It also means that individual
> > > threads tend to snag
> > > and pull out of the main rope rather easily.  These
> > > become long loops of
> > > yarn that have to be cut and tied off to prevent
> > > further snags.  This is
> > > the downside to a rope without a tightly woven
> > > cover.
> > >
> > > In short, a great rope for some applications, but I
> > > would be a bit
> > > careful about testing some of the above features
> > > before purchasing a lot
> > > of it.  I'm somewhat skeptical that it would work
> > > well on either main or
> > > genoa sheets on a 320.  Maybe others can offer
> > > testimony to the
> > > contrary, in which case I will probably buy some
> > > soon myself.
> > > Otherwise, I would probably go with Staset (not
> > > Staset X) for my sheets,
> > > or something similar from another manufacturer.
> > >
> > > Scott Thompson
> > > Surprise, 653
> > >
> > > Koen Bennebroek wrote:
> > > > hi Jeff,
> > > >
> > > > finding sheets that handle nicely with bare hands
> > > is also on my mind. I don't think the main halyard
> > > needs to be replaced at this time, but the main
> > > sheet does.
> > > > I've heard praise for the New England Regatta
> > > Braid line that West Marine carries, for sole use as
> > > jib sheet. So I will check that out. But I have no
> > > idea without going to the boat first what
> > > diameter/length I need for jib and main. I was
> > > hoping to find this answer here, but I guess I need
> > > to wait until I've measured it on the boat.
> > > >
> > > > I think when it comes to replacing the halyard my
> > > choices are more limited and I need to go with some
> > > less-stretch cordage. But that's not on the shopping
> > > list now.
> > > >
> > > > Will keep you posted on my selection and happiness
> > > with the result.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Koen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Jeffrey Hare <catalina at thehares.com>
> > > > To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2006 4:24:29 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] new main and jib sheets
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Koen,
> > > >
> > > > I replaced my Main Halyard with Yale Crystaline
> > > and am pleased with it,
> > > > although it is much stiffer than the original
> > > factory bungy cord that ships
> > > > with the boat.  I think others have done this too.
> > >  I think 110' is what we
> > > > have for the Main.  The line came from
> > > www.pyacht.com.
> > > >
> > > > As for the Genoa sheets, I'd recommend getting
> > > something that has a nice
> > > > soft feel in your hands.  Stretch is ok in Genoa
> > > sheets.  Calling the guys
> > > > at Layline (www.layline.com), they can give you
> > > really good advice for
> > > > choosing lines that meet your needs.
> > > >
> > > > Let us know what you choose!
> > > > -JeffH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Koen Bennebroek
> > > [mailto:vergaar2004-catalina at yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 6:28 PM
> > > > To: C320-List
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] new main and jib sheets
> > > >
> > > > A little bit more info:
> > > > what I'm looking for is how to choose from the
> > > likes of Sta-Set , Sta-Set-X,
> > > > Samson XLS, Samson Trophy Braid or Marlow Braid..I
> > > would like to get sheets
> > > > that in order of decreasing priority:
> > > > - don't wear too quickly over time
> > > > - don't stretch too much (although I'm not sure
> > > what the measure is here..)
> > > > - feel good on your hands
> > > > - come in 'tracer' colors
> > > >
> > > > We do not race, so I don't think we need any of
> > > the performance line like
> > > > Dyneema.
> > > >
> > > > Also, not being at the boat now, which diameter do
> > > I need and how long do
> > > > the sheets need to be?
> > > > Anything else we need to keep in mind when
> > > purchasing new sheets?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any insights.
> > > >
> > > > -Koen
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Koen Bennebroek
> > > <vergaar2004-catalina at yahoo.com>
> > > > To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2006 1:24:53 PM
> > > > Subject: [C320-list] new main and jib sheets
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We're looking into getting new main and jib sheets
> > > for Big Cat. Any advice
> > > > on brand, type, shop? What's the recommended
> > > length for the 320?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Koen
> > >
> > >
> > >