[C320-list] Settings for Autopilot from Catalina Site
Detrick, David (GE Commercial Finance)
David.Detrick at ge.com
Fri Jan 13 20:40:41 PST 2006
Can you tell me where these are and if the location gives some
explanation/education?
thanks
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:59:27 -0600
From: "Robert E. Sloat" <resloat at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm
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I have Hull 894 (2002) and the OEM installation from the Catalina
factory is Raymarine ST60 wind, speed and depth instruments along with
latest 4000 wheel autopilot. Once you swing the fluxgate compass and
set the wind instrument calibrated per owner's manual everything works
just fine. The autopilot settings I use are those lifted from the 320
site which I believe are basically very close to factory
recommendations.
One advantage of the Raymarine autopilot that I just discovered on their
website is that their SmartController wireless autopilot controller
appears to be plug and play with the 4000 autopilot and gives you both
the benefit of wireless autopilot control and a repeater of digital
data. I may install this in the spring and eliminate the hassle of
installing a wired repeater on the mast. The hand held SmartController
could be mounted or just placed somewhere under the dodger so you can
observe speed changes based on sail adjustment without having to go back
to the helm or ask for a reading from the skipper. The SmartController
display screen is not very large, but it would be right next to the crew
and looks like a nice improvement.
The wireless unit would be very convenient to make heading adjustments
when soloing and at the bow setting the asymmetrical spinnaker. It
might be cool to scare folks at the harbor when under power by emptying
the cockpit, hanging out at the bow and steering with the remote. I
believe the wireless range is around 30 feet so there is a low chance
some joker on shore with a similar unit could join in on the fun.
I will stop but the Raymarine booth at Strictly Sail here in Chicago to
discuss installation with a rep.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sweetwater Yacht Charters" <sail at sweetwater-charters.net>
To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm
> Just to bring this back up, because I don't think I asked the question
> correctly. Am I right in assuming that most are happy with the ST4000+
on
> their C320? OR, does anyone have a different unit which they think is
> better? I will probably be stopping by Strictly Sail in Chicago next
month
> so I might be able to get a deal on something.
>
> -Joan
> C320 #90 Persistence
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Scott Thompson" <sthompson at toad.net>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>; "Steven Magennis"
> <magenns at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm
>
>
> The settings quoted below are for the ST4000+, which is NOT the unit
in
> question. In fact, if I read the messages correctly, Joan is asking
> whether she should upgrade to the ST4000+.
>
> Steve: What makes you say that the wind instrument just provides
> adjustments to the fluxgate input? My impression has been that the
> fluxgate is no longer used to steer the boat at all when sailing to
the
> wind instrument. The wind mode gives by far the best performance, at
> least for sailing upwind, I've found.
>
> Joan: I've found that my boat with ST4000+ snakes about the same when
> using the GPS waypoint mode as when using a compass heading mode. May
> be the function of one GPS vs. another, but I can't think of why the
> GPS would help much since according to the docs, the Autohelm does not
> use the GPS heading information at all. (It appears to use the cross
> track error data and the bearing to waypoint data to determine which
> course to steer in GPS mode. But my experience is that it will
> tolerate quite a bit of cross track error before it makes a
correction.)
>
> I've read here that Raymarine has recommended the rudder sensor to
some
> owners, but have never heard anyone report that they noticed much of
an
> improvement from installing one. I'd love to be proven wrong,
however.
>
> On the other hand, installing one of the newer Raymarine units that
> includes a gyro unit to improve the heading response performance of
hte
> compass should make a lot of difference. I don't think you can add
> this to the ST4000 or ST4000+, however.
>
> ------------------
> T. Scott Thompson
> sthompson at toad.net
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Steven Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com>:
>
> > This has been discussed a lot on this site. From Jan, 2005:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Allan Field
> > To: c320
> > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: [c320] User Setup for Raymarine ST4000 Plus Wheel
> > Autopilot
> >
> >
> > An important setting is drive type = 2.
> >
> > Calibration Lock OFF
> > Pilot Type 4000whl
> > Rudder Gain 2
> > Response 2
> > Turn Rate Limit 20
> > Align Rudder 0
> > Rudder Limit 20
> > Off Course Alarm 20
> > AutoTack 100
> > AutoTrim 3
> > Drive Type 2
> > Variation 0
> > AutoAdapt nth
> > Latitude The correct latitude for
> > the location of the boat.
> > Rudder Damp 4
> > Cruise Speed A
> >
> >
> >
> > These settings sort-of work. You will still get a wake snake, but
> > they
> > are much better than the original factory settings. At least one
> > C-320
> > owner has installed the rudder position indicator on his boat (look
> > in
> > the C-320 photo archives), and that may help.
> >
> > I have been using these settings for the past four years with my
> > ST-4000+ on my C-320, and get a minimal wake snake when steering
> > off
> > the fluxgate compass under power. However, when I use either the
> > wind
> > instrument or the GPS to control the direction (yeah, yeah, I know,
> > the
> > wind instrument just provides some adjustment to the fluxgate
> > control,
> > but what can I say), the boat runs straight as an arrow with no wake
> > snake at all.
> >
> > Steve
> > Alchemist C-320 #909
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Sweetwater Yacht Charters <sail at sweetwater-charters.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Believe me, we have tried everything! I would be happy with any
> > kind
> > > of
> > > course at all - even if it is a big "S". This unit simply will not
> > > hold a
> > > course at all. The previous owner actually sent the head in for
> > > repair and
> > > they upgraded the software and sent a list of all the correct
> > > settings, but
> > > it still won't work. After struggling with it for 2 seasons, I
> > think
> > > I would
> > > just rather get a new unit.
> > > -Joan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark Koch" <markkoch738 at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:31 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [C320-list] Autohelm
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Joan,
> > > >
> > > > We had the same problem on "Still Crazy". I could not make the
> > > system
> > > hold
> > > > a course in any kind of a sea. Each variation to port or
> > starboard
> > > was
> > > > greater than the last. We were sailing huge S's down the lake.
> > I
> > > contacted
> > > > customer service at Raymarine and he gave me a group of settings
> > > that
> > > > returned the unit to factory settings. After performing the
> > > recommended
> > > > adjustments, the system worked flawlessly. Raymarine service
> > > contacted me
> > > > several days later to check on the adjustments. I am now very
> > > pleased
> > > with
> > > > both the Autohem and the Service Dept.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Koch
> > > > #738 Still Crazy
> > > > Huron, Ohio
> > > >
> > > > Mark Koch
> > > > KelKo Products Company
> > > > Sandusky, Ohio
> > > > (419) 626-2571
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Sweetwater Yacht Charters"
> > <sail at sweetwater-charters.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > > >To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > > >Subject: [C320-list] Autohelm
> > > > >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:03:14 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >We have never been able to get the Autohelm on Persistence to
> > work
> > > > >correctly. Apparently the previous owner had problems too. I
> > have
> > > decided
> > > > >to
> > > > >replace the unit this year. The old unit is the ST4000 (not the
> > > ST400+)
> > > > >My question: I think I can get an upgrade from Raymarine to go
> > > from the
> > > > >ST4000 to the ST4000+. This would be much cheaper since it
> > would
> > > work
> > > with
> > > > >the equipment already installed. Has anyone done this? Also,
> > does
> > > anyone
> > > > >have suggestions for a better system? My feeling after doing
> > > research is
> > > > >that the ST4000+ is adequate, but not great. Of course, the
> > > service
> > > > >department would like me to buy a nice, expensive system! I
> > sail
> > > on the
> > > > >Great Lakes (primarily Lake Michigan) so I don't need anything
> > > really
> > > heavy
> > > > >duty, but we do some long distances when delivering so it can't
> > be
> > > > >light-weight either.
> > > > >
> > > > >-Joan
> > > > > C320 #90 Persistence
> > > > >
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:05:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Steven Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm
To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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The ST4000+ works OK on the C-320 (after you change the settings), but
it's not perfect. The alternative fairly inexpensive pilot (can't
remember the name, but it doesn't fit on the older C-320s such as yours
with the old style instrument pod) doesn't talk directly to the
remainder of your RayNav instruments (as the ST4000+ does using
SeaTalk).
Mine was installed new on the boat as it came from Catalina three
seasons ago and didn't come with the rudder position indicator. Reports
are that this may improve the control under power, but I couldn't be
happier with the control that I have using the windicator or the GPS
(through NMEA from my Garmin).
The ST4000+ is a low end autopilot for our boats, but for most
conditions, it's adequate. If I were to do serious cruising / ocean
voyaging, I would get a higher end unit such as the B&G mentioned in a
previous post.
You should be able to talk to RayNav at Strictly Sail, and they may be
able to recommend exactly what you need (possibly short of an entire
autopilot (maybe the 4000+head will drive the 4000 drive wheel and be
able to use the fluxgate compass too)) Gosh, I do ramble at times.
I'll be down at Strictly Sail on Saturday, so perhaps we'll run into
each other at teh Catalina booth
Steve
Alchemist #909
--- Sweetwater Yacht Charters <sail at sweetwater-charters.net> wrote:
> Just to bring this back up, because I don't think I asked the
> question
> correctly. Am I right in assuming that most are happy with the
> ST4000+ on
> their C320? OR, does anyone have a different unit which they think is
> better? I will probably be stopping by Strictly Sail in Chicago next
> month
> so I might be able to get a deal on something.
>
> -Joan
> C320 #90 Persistence
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Scott Thompson" <sthompson at toad.net>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>; "Steven Magennis"
> <magenns at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm
>
>
> The settings quoted below are for the ST4000+, which is NOT the unit
> in
> question. In fact, if I read the messages correctly, Joan is asking
> whether she should upgrade to the ST4000+.
>
> Steve: What makes you say that the wind instrument just provides
> adjustments to the fluxgate input? My impression has been that the
> fluxgate is no longer used to steer the boat at all when sailing to
> the
> wind instrument. The wind mode gives by far the best performance, at
> least for sailing upwind, I've found.
>
> Joan: I've found that my boat with ST4000+ snakes about the same
> when
> using the GPS waypoint mode as when using a compass heading mode.
> May
> be the function of one GPS vs. another, but I can't think of why the
> GPS would help much since according to the docs, the Autohelm does
> not
> use the GPS heading information at all. (It appears to use the cross
> track error data and the bearing to waypoint data to determine which
> course to steer in GPS mode. But my experience is that it will
> tolerate quite a bit of cross track error before it makes a
> correction.)
>
> I've read here that Raymarine has recommended the rudder sensor to
> some
> owners, but have never heard anyone report that they noticed much of
> an
> improvement from installing one. I'd love to be proven wrong,
> however.
>
> On the other hand, installing one of the newer Raymarine units that
> includes a gyro unit to improve the heading response performance of
> hte
> compass should make a lot of difference. I don't think you can add
> this to the ST4000 or ST4000+, however.
>
> ------------------
> T. Scott Thompson
> sthompson at toad.net
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Steven Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com>:
>
> > This has been discussed a lot on this site. From Jan, 2005:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Allan Field
> > To: c320
> > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: [c320] User Setup for Raymarine ST4000 Plus Wheel
> > Autopilot
> >
> >
> > An important setting is drive type = 2.
> >
> > Calibration Lock OFF
> > Pilot Type 4000whl
> > Rudder Gain 2
> > Response 2
> > Turn Rate Limit 20
> > Align Rudder 0
> > Rudder Limit 20
> > Off Course Alarm 20
> > AutoTack 100
> > AutoTrim 3
> > Drive Type 2
> > Variation 0
> > AutoAdapt nth
> > Latitude The correct latitude for
> > the location of the boat.
> > Rudder Damp 4
> > Cruise Speed A
> >
> >
> >
> > These settings sort-of work. You will still get a wake snake, but
> > they
> > are much better than the original factory settings. At least one
> > C-320
> > owner has installed the rudder position indicator on his boat (look
> > in
> > the C-320 photo archives), and that may help.
> >
> > I have been using these settings for the past four years with my
> > ST-4000+ on my C-320, and get a minimal wake snake when steering
> > off
> > the fluxgate compass under power. However, when I use either the
> > wind
> > instrument or the GPS to control the direction (yeah, yeah, I know,
> > the
> > wind instrument just provides some adjustment to the fluxgate
> > control,
> > but what can I say), the boat runs straight as an arrow with no
> wake
> > snake at all.
> >
> > Steve
> > Alchemist C-320 #909
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Sweetwater Yacht Charters <sail at sweetwater-charters.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Believe me, we have tried everything! I would be happy with any
> > kind
> > > of
> > > course at all - even if it is a big "S". This unit simply will
> not
> > > hold a
> > > course at all. The previous owner actually sent the head in for
> > > repair and
> > > they upgraded the software and sent a list of all the correct
> > > settings, but
> > > it still won't work. After struggling with it for 2 seasons, I
> > think
> > > I would
> > > just rather get a new unit.
> > > -Joan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark Koch" <markkoch738 at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:31 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [C320-list] Autohelm
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Joan,
> > > >
> > > > We had the same problem on "Still Crazy". I could not make the
> > > system
> > > hold
> > > > a course in any kind of a sea. Each variation to port or
> > starboard
> > > was
> > > > greater than the last. We were sailing huge S's down the lake.
> > I
> > > contacted
> > > > customer service at Raymarine and he gave me a group of
> settings
> > > that
> > > > returned the unit to factory settings. After performing the
> > > recommended
> > > > adjustments, the system worked flawlessly. Raymarine service
> > > contacted me
> > > > several days later to check on the adjustments. I am now very
> > > pleased
> > > with
> > > > both the Autohem and the Service Dept.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Koch
> > > > #738 Still Crazy
> > > > Huron, Ohio
> > > >
> > > > Mark Koch
> > > > KelKo Products Company
> > > > Sandusky, Ohio
> > > > (419) 626-2571
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Sweetwater Yacht Charters"
> > <sail at sweetwater-charters.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > > >To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > > >Subject: [C320-list] Autohelm
> > > > >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:03:14 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >We have never been able to get the Autohelm on Persistence to
> > work
> > > > >correctly. Apparently the previous owner had problems too. I
> > have
> > > decided
> > > > >to
> > > > >replace the unit this year. The old unit is the ST4000 (not
> the
> > > ST400+)
> > > > >My question: I think I can get an upgrade from Raymarine to go
> > > from the
> > > > >ST4000 to the ST4000+. This would be much cheaper since it
> > would
> > > work
> > > with
> > > > >the equipment already installed. Has anyone done this? Also,
> > does
> > > anyone
> > > > >have suggestions for a better system? My feeling after doing
> > > research is
> > > > >that the ST4000+ is adequate, but not great. Of course, the
> > > service
> > > > >department would like me to buy a nice, expensive system! I
> > sail
> > > on the
> > > > >Great Lakes (primarily Lake Michigan) so I don't need anything
> > > really
> > > heavy
> > > > >duty, but we do some long distances when delivering so it
> can't
> > be
> > > > >light-weight either.
> > > > >
> > > > >-Joan
> > > > > C320 #90 Persistence
> > > > >
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:22:05 -0600
From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm Rudder Reference Transducer
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Thanks again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Grennan" <timgrennan at yahoo.com>
To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm Rudder Reference Transducer
> You might be able to lay it out from the other side(in the aft cabin).
I
> didn't have the nerve.The guard only needs to be lifted 11/2 " to get
it
> out of the foot, and then drilling is easy. That part only took a few
> minutes. Figuring this out took all the time.
>
> good luck
>
> tg
>
> Jeff Church <jjemail at comcast.net> wrote:
> Thanks Tim.
>
> Can the job be done without removing the guard? I was hoping that I
might
> be
> able to leave the guard in place and fish the wires up from below.
>
> JeffC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Grennan"
> To: "C320-List"
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm Rudder Reference Transducer
>
>
>>I drilled through the deck and ran the wires through the other post.
The
>>wire in the port side filled the pipe so running added wire was not
>>possible.Drilling throught the deck w/the guard off was a piece of
>>cake.The
>>only hard part was to drill the tubing for the additional wire on the
>>starboard side. Make sure to fill the deck hole up w/silicone after
the
>>wires are run.
>>
>> Jeff Church wrote: I was just down at the yard (50
>> degrees in Chicago!) trying to figure out
>> how to run the new wire for the rudder reference transducer up thru
the
>> binnacle post. If anyone has run additional wire up to the instrument
>> pod,
>> I'd appreciate some advice. Will another wire fit in the port-side
post?
>> Am
>> I better off drilling thru the liner and deck into the starboard
post? I
>> think there were previous comments that either option could be
>> problematic.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> JeffC
>
>
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