[C320-list] Securing outboard engine and gasoline

[crashley at gte.net]

I still have my center seat. I keep it in the V-berth. I find that it's way 
too constricting to put it where it belongs.

CRA
Rosebud #882




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Van Vessem" <jvanvessem at sbcglobal.net>
To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Securing outboard engine and gasoline


> Gee, I love my center seat.
>
> John Van Vessem
> Sojourn 645
> Vallejo Yacht Club
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Steve Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com>
> To: Allan.Field at comcast.net; C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:55:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Securing outboard engine and gasoline
>
>
> You mean that you actually still have the center seat?  I thought that
> that was the first thing that everyone took off their boat!.
>
> If I send my wife and dog out on a search and destroy mission, we may
> be able to find traces of it.  I think that that seat was on my boat
> for all of 15 minutes, and it is probably now in a pile of junk in my
> garage waiting for the next owner of the Alchemist to hide in his / her
> garage.
>
> With the seat in place, there isn't enough room to stand comfortably
> for any length of time behind the wheel, so after the shakedown sail
> with the dealer, off it went.
>
> BTW, The plastic thingy is the called the "beer keeper inner", and it
> does an excellent job of keeping the empties from rolling out into the
> lake (after all, we have a bottle / can deposit in MI, and we wouldn't
> want to lose our dimes!).  This beer keeper inner is the primary
> doohickey that makes our boats better than a Melgas 24 or a Melgas 32.
> On both of those boats, there is othing to keep the crew's beers from
> washing out the back of the boat.
>
> Steve
> Alchemist #909
>
>
>
> --- Allan Field <Allan.Field at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Scott - I removed the aft seat today and placed the generator between
>> the
>> aft lockers.  The generator was a perfect fit with the plastic shield
>> that
>> keeps things from rolling out the transom removed (what is that thing
>> called?) and with the plastic shield in place, the generator stuck
>> out about
>> 1 inch.  I am going to try and find someone who can make a new center
>> seat
>> that is high enough to get the generator in that space but still keep
>> the
>> seat. - Allan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
>> Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:20 PM
>> To: Catalina 320 List
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Securing outboard engine and gasoline
>>
>> The 2000 will also fir in the starboard aft locker on the shelf
>> there. I
>> tried it with no problem, you have to tilt it slightly is all. I was
>> going
>> to put in some straps that would tighten it down during transit but
>> alas--sailing, work travel and other priorities conspired to my never
>> finishing that project.
>>
>> I have been keeping it under the salon table till I got to Two
>> Harbors or
>> Cat Harbor then I would bring it up into the cockpit...in some heavy
>> weather
>> and swells, never had a problem with it being down below--it never
>> moved
>>
>> cuba libre 2
>> --------------------------
>> Regards,
>> OD
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: allan.field
>> Sent: 06/25/2006 03:41 PM
>> To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Securing outboard engine and gasoline
>>
>> Scott - The generator stays in the anchor locker only while going
>> from point
>> to point.  It comes out prior to deploying the anchor.  The
>> alternatives are
>> in the cabin (which I believe is where Orlando stores his when in
>> transit
>> but I don't like the gas smell down below) or between the aft seats
>> if I
>> remove the center seat which I haven't tried yet.  And you are right
>> - it
>> does not actually fit under the center seat.  The seat needs to be
>> removed
>> and the generator sticks out maybe 4-6 inches towards the binnacle.
>>
>> The mount is a standard, hard plastic, 2-piece mount that mounts on
>> the "T"
>> of the stern rail.  The 2-piece mount clamps over both the horizontal
>> and
>> vertical rail.  There are much more expensive ones, such as in teak
>> or from
>> Edson, but this one does the job.
>>
>> I keep the dingy gas tank in the dingy and tie it in.  This
>> afternoon, it
>> was floating in 6 inches of water!  Needless to say, we did not leave
>> Georgetown today in the all day, heavy rains.
>>
>> Years ago, I kept my first boat on Bodkin Creek for about 2 years.
>> That
>> boat had a 4-foot draft.  I used to anchor in Swan Creek on many
>> weekends
>> and never had any trouble.  I doubt that much has changed.  There are
>> thin
>> places in the creek but there always was plenty of room far away from
>> the
>> mooring field.  But I have not been in there for about 15 years so I
>> will
>> report  back if things have changed. It always was one of my favorite
>> spots.
>> Keep in mind what the past week has been like heat and humidity-wise.
>>  If
>> next week is like last week, we will be in Marina's versus on the
>> hook.  In
>> fact, we haven't been on the hook yet on this trip.
>>
>> Allan S. Field
>> Sea Shadow - #808
>> Columbia, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> From: Scott Thompson <sthompson at toad.net>
>>
>> > Allan: Doesn't a 43 pound generator in your anchor locker make
>> > anchoring rather difficult? If you put the generator between the
>> aft
>> > seats I assume that it doesn't actually fit under the seats. Is
>> that
>> > right?
>> >
>> > Regarding the outboard engine mount, which one did you purchase at
>> WM?
>> > Is it the Johnson mount? Where did you attach it to the rail?
>> >
>> > Where do you store your dinghy gas tank while sailing?
>> >
>> > Finally, I'd be interested in hearing a report after you visit Swan
>>
>> > Creek. That's the closest anchorage to me on the Eastern Shore but
>> I've
>> > never been in because the charts make it look shallow and I've
>> heard
>> > it's full of moorings.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >
>> > allan.field at comcast.net wrote:
>> > > Scott - I'll weigh in on this one from our experience. We have a
>> Nissan
>> 5 HP,
>> > 4-stroke with an external fuel tank. I have had 2-strokes in the
>> past with
>>
>> > internal tanks but would not go back to them as the fuel left in
>> the tank
>> tends
>> > to wax the carb if stored for a time. Plus the 4-stroke is more
>> environment
>> > friendly.
>> > >
>> > > We keep the motor on the aft stern rail on a motor mount we got
>> from WM.
>> The
>> > motor weighs about 80 pounds. We also had Kato Marine in Annapolis
>> make us
>> a
>> > lifting crane with a 4:1 purchase. With the crane, moving the
>> engine from
>> rail
>> > to digny transom literally is a one-handed job. The stern rail is
>> no worse
>> the
>> > wear for holding the motor these past 4 years or so.
>> > >
>> > > Our external tank holds 2.5 gallons of gas. Even after being out
>> for 18
>> days
>> > (as we are now) and all the other times we use the dingy during the
>> season, we
>> > will not empty the tank. We do add Sta-Bil to the tank. After each
>> trip,
>> we
>> > disconnect the hose from the tank to the motor at the tank with the
>> motor
>> > running so as to exhaust all fuel both in the hose and in the
>> engine. We
>> found
>> > that leaving fuel in the hose stunk up the boat and leaving fuel in
>> the
>> motor
>> > for an extended period gummed up the carb. What is really
>> surprising is
>> that
>> > once the hose is disconnected from the tank, it takes a good 15-20
>> minutes
>> for
>> > all the fuel to burn-off. Little wonder we can't use 2.5 gallons of
>> gas in
>> an
>> > entire season.
>> > >
>> > > The final lesson learned is to keep the fuel tank vent slightly
>> cracked
>> open
>> > even when storing the tank. Otherwise, pressure builds up in the
>> tank and
>> > eventually gas starts to blow past the seals. The tank directions
>> also
>> > recommend doing this but in our case, Field's Law prevailed - If
>> Field has
>> a
>> > 50/50 chance of doing something right or wrong the first time, 90%
>> of the
>> time
>> > Field will do it wrong the first time...
>> > >
>> > > We also purchased a Honda 2000 generator. It will not start a
>> 12,000 BTU
>> air
>> > conditioner. However, it will run the microwave, outlets and
>> charger fine.
>> We
>> > store ours in the anchor well and have the factory cover (extra
>> cost) in
>> place.
>> > However, we do not carry spare gas cans on board. If we did, I
>> imagine
>> that I
>> > would lash them to a side stanchion somehow but again, these motors
>> use so
>>
>> > little fuel that carrying spare just is not necessary.
>> > >
>> > > We did see another Catalina on this trip with the Honda
>> generator. They
>> > removed the seat between the 2 aft lockers and store their
>> generator in
>> that
>> > space. The geneator stuck out maybe 6 inches past the seat. This
>> may be
>> > something we do in the future as since installing the NavPod for
>> the
>> > chartplotter, that seat has become virtually worthless anyway as we
>> can no
>>
>> > longer see forward under the instrument pod.
>> > >
>> > > Hope this helps.
>> > >
>> > > Allan S. Field
>> > > Sea Shadow - #808
>> > > Columbia, MD
>> > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> > > From: Scott Thompson
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> I'm in the market for an outboard for a dinghy and possibly for
>> one of
>> > >> the Honda 2000 generators that Orlando is keen on. Questions:
>> Where do
>> > >> others secure their outboards when not on the dinghy? Do the
>> Johnson or
>>
>> > >> Edson mounting brackets work well on the stern rail of a 1999
>> vintage
>> > >> 320? What kind of weight limit are we talking about to use
>> these?
>> > >> Also, where do others store a spare gas can on board?
>> > >>
>> > >> Scott Thompson
>> > >> Surprise, 653
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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