[C320-list] More on Autopilots

Tue Mar 7 17:07:16 PST 2006

At the Miami boat show I was told by Raymarine that the ST 4000 + MK II (I 
am in marketing and would be fired for creating a name like that) had been 
discontinued and was no longer available.  West Marine and Consumers Marine 
Electronics both confirmed that it had been discontinued and no longer had 
stock.

I was able to get one of the last ones Defender had.

In my opinion the S1 Wheeldrive, which was not even available at boat show 
time, is not likely to be worth the extra money, unless of course you have 
Raymarine stock.

Larry
WindSwept C320 #246

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
To: "A. R. Gates" <argates2nd at earthlink.net>; "C320-List" 
<C320-List at catalina320.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] More on Autopilots

> Rollie,
>
> Lots of opinion to follow:
>
> Defender lists the new Raymarine S1 Wheeldrive package for $1219, but I
> don't think they have any in stock yet. I spoke to Raymarine about it last
> month and at that time they had not shipped any, and they did not indicate
> that the ST4000+ was going to be discontinued. The S1 package will include
> an S1 controller, ST4000 wheel drive and ST4000 control head. I don't 
> think
> the rudder transducer is included. According to Raymarine the S1 
> controller
> will enable the autohelm to track a little (maybe 5%) straighter than the
> ST4000 control head. Given the price of the S1 package (~$1550 including
> rudder trans), I think the ST4000+ Mk2 at $800 is a much better value. Ray
> assured me that adding the rudder transducer to the ST4000+ will eliminate
> the problems that I had with my last ST4000 which lacked a rudder
> transducer. That is why the new ST4000+ is packaged with the transducer.
>
> The best price I found on the linear drive package was $2250. Again, I 
> don't
> see there being enough benefit to justify the extra cost (compared to the
> wheel drive) and difficult installation. The rigger at my Catalina dealer
> says it would be very difficult to mount the linear drive in the 320's 
> small
> aft compartment. To me, the biggest benefit would be the silent operation 
> of
> the linear drive as opposed to the constant chatter from the wheel drive,
> not exactly worth an extra $1450. If I did a lot of long distance offshore
> cruising I might have a different opinion, and maybe a different boat
> (C380?) too.
>
> I have a new ST4000+ Mk2 waiting to be installed.
>
> JeffC
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "A. R. Gates" <argates2nd at earthlink.net>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] More on Autopilots
>
>
>> Jeff Church,
>> Do you have the 6001 S1 SailPilot with the Linear Drive Pack?  Your
>> message below says the best price is $2250.
>> I understand that Raymarine is about to discontinue the 4000 Mk II and
>> replace it with an S1 WheelPilot at about $1200 best price, which may not
>> include the rudder reference transducer which costs about $350.
>> I am trying to decide if the below deck $2250 unit with rudder reference
>> is preferable to the new S1 wheelpilot at about $1550 with rudder
>> reference transducer.  I am tending to think that the extra $700 for a
>> below deck unit could be cost effective.   Do you or others have any
>> additional input on this oft-discussed topic?
>> Rollie Gates  #182
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Sweetwater Yacht Charters <sail at sweetwater-charters.net>
>>>Sent: Jan 16, 2006 4:50 PM
>>>To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] More on Autopilots
>>>
>>>Well, that would make my options easier! I think I am really leaning
>>>toward
>>>upgrading to the ST4000+ MkII drive, since I can get it for @ $800.00
>>>instead of putting $2000+ into a different model. I also know that
>>>Raymarine
>>>will be at Strictly Sail Chicago so maybe I can get it even cheaper
>>>(although they will probably be pushing the newer more expensive models).
>>>>From what I am hearing the ST400+  is capable of handling the C320. I
>>>>also
>>>like the idea of sticking with Raymarine since my other instruments are
>>>also
>>>Raymarine. Thanks everyone for your input!
>>>-Joan
>>> C320 #90 Persistence
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Steven Magennis" <magenns at yahoo.com>
>>>To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:08 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] More on Autopilots
>>>
>>>
>>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading that neither the ST-5000
>>>nor the ST-6000 would fit the C-320 (don't know why), and that neither
>>>is recommended for this use by Raynav.
>>>
>>>Did I miss something?
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>Alchemist #909
>>>
>>>--- Jeff Church <jjemail at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dick,
>>>>
>>>> Unless I've got something mixed up, the best price for the complete
>>>> B&G
>>>> H1000 autopilot system (control head, drive, and rudder transducer)
>>>> is about
>>>> $4000. Where do you find it for a price that is comparable to the
>>>> ST6001?
>>>>
>>>> The best price I could find on the ST4000 was $790 at Defender. Best
>>>> price
>>>> for the ST6001 is about $2250. It's just one man's opinion, but as
>>>> much as I
>>>> really like the below deck units I'd rather put the extra money into
>>>> new
>>>> sails, or beer.
>>>>
>>>> JeffC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Richard A. Walker" <dickwalker at att.net>
>>>> To: "'C320-List'" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:59 PM
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] More on Autopilots
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I would check the prices at PYACHT.COM  if I were buying an
>>>> autopilot.
>>>> > I am also very inclined to the under the deck "full-time" units.
>>>> >
>>>> > On my '86 C-30 I had a Raytheon raymarine unit and the company
>>>> refused to
>>>> > service it after 7 years since they went on to other models.  I
>>>> swore
>>>> > never
>>>> > to purchase from them again thus my B&G decision.
>>>> >
>>>> > The Raymarine ST6001 S1 SailPilot Linear Drive Pack is $2,229.13.
>>>> For my
>>>> > money again the B&G unit is about the same price and well worth it.
>>>> >
>>>> > See you all in Coronado in September, you will be able to see my
>>>> > installation.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> > Dick Walker
>>>> > C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>>>> > 740 Olive Ave.
>>>> > Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>>>> > 619.435.8986
>>>> >
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