[C320-list] More on Autopilots

Wed Mar 8 13:01:26 PST 2006

I bought the ST 4000 + Mk II with with rudder reference transducer -- it was one of 6 Defender had left in stock this morning.  Thanks for your input Jeff, Larry, and Joan.  
Rollie  #182

-----Original Message-----
>From: WindSwept <c320_windswept at sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Mar 7, 2006 8:07 PM
>To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>Subject: Re: [C320-list] More on Autopilots
>
>At the Miami boat show I was told by Raymarine that the ST 4000 + MK II (I 
>am in marketing and would be fired for creating a name like that) had been 
>discontinued and was no longer available.  West Marine and Consumers Marine 
>Electronics both confirmed that it had been discontinued and no longer had 
>stock.
>
>I was able to get one of the last ones Defender had.
>
>In my opinion the S1 Wheeldrive, which was not even available at boat show 
>time, is not likely to be worth the extra money, unless of course you have 
>Raymarine stock.
>
>Larry
>WindSwept C320 #246
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
>To: "A. R. Gates" <argates2nd at earthlink.net>; "C320-List" 
><C320-List at catalina320.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [C320-list] More on Autopilots
>
>
>> Rollie,
>>
>> Lots of opinion to follow:
>>
>> Defender lists the new Raymarine S1 Wheeldrive package for $1219, but I
>> don't think they have any in stock yet. I spoke to Raymarine about it last
>> month and at that time they had not shipped any, and they did not indicate
>> that the ST4000+ was going to be discontinued. The S1 package will include
>> an S1 controller, ST4000 wheel drive and ST4000 control head. I don't 
>> think
>> the rudder transducer is included. According to Raymarine the S1 
>> controller
>> will enable the autohelm to track a little (maybe 5%) straighter than the
>> ST4000 control head. Given the price of the S1 package (~$1550 including
>> rudder trans), I think the ST4000+ Mk2 at $800 is a much better value. Ray
>> assured me that adding the rudder transducer to the ST4000+ will eliminate
>> the problems that I had with my last ST4000 which lacked a rudder
>> transducer. That is why the new ST4000+ is packaged with the transducer.
>>
>> The best price I found on the linear drive package was $2250. Again, I 
>> don't
>> see there being enough benefit to justify the extra cost (compared to the
>> wheel drive) and difficult installation. The rigger at my Catalina dealer
>> says it would be very difficult to mount the linear drive in the 320's 
>> small
>> aft compartment. To me, the biggest benefit would be the silent operation 
>> of
>> the linear drive as opposed to the constant chatter from the wheel drive,
>> not exactly worth an extra $1450. If I did a lot of long distance offshore
>> cruising I might have a different opinion, and maybe a different boat
>> (C380?) too.
>>
>> I have a new ST4000+ Mk2 waiting to be installed.
>>
>> JeffC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "A. R. Gates" <argates2nd at earthlink.net>
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] More on Autopilots
>>
>>
>>> Jeff Church,
>>> Do you have the 6001 S1 SailPilot with the Linear Drive Pack?  Your
>>> message below says the best price is $2250.
>>> I understand that Raymarine is about to discontinue the 4000 Mk II and
>>> replace it with an S1 WheelPilot at about $1200 best price, which may not
>>> include the rudder reference transducer which costs about $350.
>>> I am trying to decide if the below deck $2250 unit with rudder reference
>>> is preferable to the new S1 wheelpilot at about $1550 with rudder
>>> reference transducer.  I am tending to think that the extra $700 for a
>>> below deck unit could be cost effective.   Do you or others have any
>>> additional input on this oft-discussed topic?
>>> Rollie Gates  #182
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Sweetwater Yacht Charters <sail at sweetwater-charters.net>
>>>>Sent: Jan 16, 2006 4:50 PM
>>>>To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] More on Autopilots
>>>>
>>>>Well, that would make my options easier! I think I am really leaning
>>>>toward
>>>>upgrading to the ST4000+ MkII drive, since I can get it for @ $800.00
>>>>instead of putting $2000+ into a different model. I also know that
>>>>Raymarine
>>>>will be at Strictly Sail Chicago so maybe I can get it even cheaper
>>>>(although they will probably be pushing the newer more expensive models).
>>>>>From what I am hearing the ST400+  is capable of handling the C320. I
>>>>>also
>>>>like the idea of sticking with Raymarine since my other instruments are
>>>>also
>>>>Raymarine. Thanks everyone for your input!
>>>>-Joan
>>>> C320 #90 Persistence
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Steven Magennis" <magenns at yahoo.com>
>>>>To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:08 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] More on Autopilots
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading that neither the ST-5000
>>>>nor the ST-6000 would fit the C-320 (don't know why), and that neither
>>>>is recommended for this use by Raynav.
>>>>
>>>>Did I miss something?
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>Alchemist #909
>>>>
>>>>--- Jeff Church <jjemail at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dick,
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless I've got something mixed up, the best price for the complete
>>>>> B&G
>>>>> H1000 autopilot system (control head, drive, and rudder transducer)
>>>>> is about
>>>>> $4000. Where do you find it for a price that is comparable to the
>>>>> ST6001?
>>>>>
>>>>> The best price I could find on the ST4000 was $790 at Defender. Best
>>>>> price
>>>>> for the ST6001 is about $2250. It's just one man's opinion, but as
>>>>> much as I
>>>>> really like the below deck units I'd rather put the extra money into
>>>>> new
>>>>> sails, or beer.
>>>>>
>>>>> JeffC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Richard A. Walker" <dickwalker at att.net>
>>>>> To: "'C320-List'" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] More on Autopilots
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >I would check the prices at PYACHT.COM  if I were buying an
>>>>> autopilot.
>>>>> > I am also very inclined to the under the deck "full-time" units.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On my '86 C-30 I had a Raytheon raymarine unit and the company
>>>>> refused to
>>>>> > service it after 7 years since they went on to other models.  I
>>>>> swore
>>>>> > never
>>>>> > to purchase from them again thus my B&G decision.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The Raymarine ST6001 S1 SailPilot Linear Drive Pack is $2,229.13.
>>>>> For my
>>>>> > money again the B&G unit is about the same price and well worth it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > See you all in Coronado in September, you will be able to see my
>>>>> > installation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Cheers,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dick Walker
>>>>> > C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>>>>> > 740 Olive Ave.
>>>>> > Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>>>>> > 619.435.8986
>>>>> >
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