[C320-list] Traveler issue

Tue May 16 21:55:13 PDT 2006

It's on the 440....

cuba libre 2 soon to be 3 on a CM440
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----- Original Message -----
From: C320-List-bounces
Sent: 05/16/2006 05:56 PM
To: "'C320-List'" <C320-List at catalina320.org>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Traveler issue

Interestingly enough I recall reading an article (Latts & Atts maybe?
Morgan 440?) or seeing a boat at a boatshow, where Garhauer? or someone
added internal return blocks so that both ends of the traveller exited on
the same side of the traveller.  I talked with Garhauer about this at last
year's Catalina Regatta in Newport.

Anyone else seen this?

-JeffH

-----Original Message-----
From: David J Gleason [mailto:djgleason1 at juno.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:01 PM
To: C320-List at catalina320.org
Cc: C320-List at catalina320.org
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Traveler issue

Chris:

I am not sure where you got the impression of only one cam cleat.  All
that changed is rather than using two separate pieces of line, I use one.
 There is enough slack in the line that allows it to reach down to the
cockpit sole.  I would estimate there is 6 to 8 feet of line to use in
controlling the car position.  When we tack or gybe, I cleat off both
sides of the line tack or gybe and then adjust the position of the car. 
I can un cleat the line and feed out the slack side as I pull in on the
new windward side.  By cleating prior to the maneuver, there is never any
excess line to bunch up.

If needed, the halyard  winch's are always available.  I did move the cam
cleats from the end of the traveller to the cabin top next to the halyard
winches.  This allows cleating and uncleating the control line without
and difficulty.

Prior to upgrading the traveler, I also had problems bringing the boom up
to windward also.  Are you using the upgraded traveler?

Dave Gleason
Proud Mary, #150

 On Tue, 16 May 2006 12:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>
writes:
> Our later model travelers come with cam cleats on the
> control lines. If you are bringing the boom up you are
> pulling on the windward control line and no attention
> is required of the leeward line except to release it.
> 
> If you fail to cleat the leeward line after bringing
> the boom up on a tack, the traveler car will slam down
> after your next tack and if the wind is high enough,
> the slack in the lines can create an ugly jam.
> 
> If you are adjusting the  boom down a little, no
> problem. Down a lot, the traveler may hang on the
> lines if you don't bring in the leeward line because
> they are double blocked and can generate a lot of
> slack.
> 
> A continuous line that was short enough to let one of
> the cam cleats control both sides would not offer
> enough purchase to properly trim the boom on breezy
> days. I have found that when the wind gets up above
> about 25 knots, it is all that I can do to trim it
> without the winch and I am a husky boy.
> 
> 
> --- David J Gleason <djgleason1 at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> > I am confused by Chris's description.  If you are
> > pulling in on one side,
> > the other side is feed out.  How could this create a
> > bunching up of the
> > lines.  I think what Chris is describing is the
> > slack side lines bunching
> > up when tacking or gybing without keeping tension on
> > the old tension
> > side.
> > 
> > To help alleviate this problem, along with keeping
> > excess line out of the
> > cockpit, I use a continuous line.  I have one piece
> > of line with each end
> > tied to one end of the traveller car.  There is a
> > loop that hangs down to
> > the cockpit floor, so we can step over it without
> > tripping.   I have
> > found it easier to handle rather than using a much
> > longer piece on each
> > end of the car.
> > 
> > Dave Gleason
> > Proud Mary, #150
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 16 May 2006 10:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Chris Burti
> > <cburti at yahoo.com>
> > writes:
> > > Russ,
> > > I a bit confused, but then that is typical for me.
> > 
> > > 
> > > I haven't experienced this nor can I visualize it
> > > happening. The only time I have the traveler
> > control
> > > lines bunch, is when I gybe or tack without having
> > > snugged up the leeward line or occasionally when
> > > letting out the boom to leeward after swinging
> > > downwind from a close reach.
> > > 
> > > In the former instance a quick tug on the leeward
> > line
> > > before going back to the helm avoids problems on
> > the
> > > next tack. In the latter, it isn't too difficult
> > to
> > > keep the leeward side tensioned as you are
> > releasing
> > > the windward side. It isn't an issue often enough
> > for
> > > me to have considered a work around.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Russell Monaco <russgm at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > >     I assume I am not the only one with this
> > > > problem:
> > > > To use the traveler, you need to keep tension on
> > one
> > > > side as you pull in the other, otherwise you get
> > > > lines bunched up on the traveler.
> > > > The design of the traveler i beleive causes
> > > > this...Has anyone come up with a way to avoid
> > the
> > > > traveler line getting caught up?
> > > >    
> > > >   Russ Monaco
> > > > 
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