[C320-list] Traveler issue

Adam Weiner esquirecatering at rcn.com
Wed May 17 20:25:59 PDT 2006 

Put in the second reef, get a 100% main and go for it.

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
[mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris Burti
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:52 AM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Traveler issue


It sounds as if we are doing the smae thing and the
single line does not really change function.

Yes I have the upgraded traveler, but I sail in
conditions that many prefer to stay home in. It only
gets tough haul in above 25 knots. That seems to be
the prevailing wind condition every time I head out to
Okracoke Island. I only have a single reef, so that
may be alleviated if I ever get around to putting in
second reef.

--- David J Gleason <djgleason1 at juno.com> wrote:

> Chris:
> 
> I am not sure where you got the impression of only
> one cam cleat.  All
> that changed is rather than using two separate
> pieces of line, I use one.
>  There is enough slack in the line that allows it to
> reach down to the
> cockpit sole.  I would estimate there is 6 to 8 feet
> of line to use in
> controlling the car position.  When we tack or gybe,
> I cleat off both
> sides of the line tack or gybe and then adjust the
> position of the car.
> I can un cleat the line and feed out the slack side
> as I pull in on the
> new windward side.  By cleating prior to the
> maneuver, there is never any
> excess line to bunch up.
> 
> If needed, the halyard  winch's are always
> available.  I did move the cam
> cleats from the end of the traveller to the cabin
> top next to the halyard
> winches.  This allows cleating and uncleating the
> control line without
> and difficulty.
> 
> Prior to upgrading the traveler, I also had problems
> bringing the boom up
> to windward also.  Are you using the upgraded
> traveler?
> 
> Dave Gleason
> Proud Mary, #150
> 
> 
>  On Tue, 16 May 2006 12:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Chris
> Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>
> writes:
> > Our later model travelers come with cam cleats on
> the
> > control lines. If you are bringing the boom up you
> are
> > pulling on the windward control line and no
> attention
> > is required of the leeward line except to release
> it.
> > 
> > If you fail to cleat the leeward line after
> bringing
> > the boom up on a tack, the traveler car will slam
> down
> > after your next tack and if the wind is high
> enough,
> > the slack in the lines can create an ugly jam.
> > 
> > If you are adjusting the  boom down a little, no
> > problem. Down a lot, the traveler may hang on the
> > lines if you don't bring in the leeward line
> because
> > they are double blocked and can generate a lot of
> > slack.
> > 
> > A continuous line that was short enough to let one
> of
> > the cam cleats control both sides would not offer
> > enough purchase to properly trim the boom on
> breezy
> > days. I have found that when the wind gets up
> above
> > about 25 knots, it is all that I can do to trim it
> > without the winch and I am a husky boy.
> > 
> > 
> > --- David J Gleason <djgleason1 at juno.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I am confused by Chris's description.  If you
> are
> > > pulling in on one side,
> > > the other side is feed out.  How could this
> create a
> > > bunching up of the
> > > lines.  I think what Chris is describing is the
> > > slack side lines bunching
> > > up when tacking or gybing without keeping
> tension on
> > > the old tension
> > > side.
> > > 
> > > To help alleviate this problem, along with
> keeping
> > > excess line out of the
> > > cockpit, I use a continuous line.  I have one
> piece
> > > of line with each end
> > > tied to one end of the traveller car.  There is
> a
> > > loop that hangs down to
> > > the cockpit floor, so we can step over it
> without
> > > tripping.   I have
> > > found it easier to handle rather than using a
> much
> > > longer piece on each
> > > end of the car.
> > > 
> > > Dave Gleason
> > > Proud Mary, #150
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 16 May 2006 10:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Chris
> Burti
> > > <cburti at yahoo.com>
> > > writes:
> > > > Russ,
> > > > I a bit confused, but then that is typical for
> me.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I haven't experienced this nor can I visualize
> it
> > > > happening. The only time I have the traveler
> > > control
> > > > lines bunch, is when I gybe or tack without
> having
> > > > snugged up the leeward line or occasionally
> when
> > > > letting out the boom to leeward after swinging
> > > > downwind from a close reach.
> > > > 
> > > > In the former instance a quick tug on the
> leeward
> > > line
> > > > before going back to the helm avoids problems
> on
> > > the
> > > > next tack. In the latter, it isn't too
> difficult
> > > to
> > > > keep the leeward side tensioned as you are
> > > releasing
> > > > the windward side. It isn't an issue often
> enough
> > > for
> > > > me to have considered a work around.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- Russell Monaco <russgm at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >     I assume I am not the only one with this
> > > > > problem:
> > > > > To use the traveler, you need to keep
> tension on
> > > one
> > > > > side as you pull in the other, otherwise you
> get
> > > > > lines bunched up on the traveler.
> > > > > The design of the traveler i beleive causes this...Has anyone 
> > > > > come up with a way to
> avoid
> > > the
> > > > > traveler line getting caught up?
> > > > >    
> > > > >   Russ Monaco
> > > > > 
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> > > > Chris Burti
> > > > "Commitment"
> > > > Catalina 320, #867,
> > > > Farmville, NC
> > > > 
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Chris Burti
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Catalina 320, #867, 
Farmville, NC

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