[C320-list] C320 Rudder Play

[Adam Weiner]

With the wheel brake on did it still slop under anchor?

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris Burti
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:56 AM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 Rudder Play


I don't recall any such discussion. In my case the
boat had not had much maintenance for years and it was
more objectionable at anchor when the slop produce a
lot of clunking noises. Under weigh, there was enough
lateral pressure on the rudder that you usually didn't
notice it much.

--- Bruce Heyman <BruceHeyman at cox.net> wrote:

> Chris,
> Thanks for the info, would be a definite bummer to
> "sink" the rudder in the
> slip.  From the discussions on the other lists was
> there a metric developed
> for how bad the wear had to be before people felt
> they needed to do
> something about it?  I don't have any noticeable
> play in the wheel when
> under sail or power but could definitely feel it
> when the boat was on the
> hard by rocking the ruder back.
> Thanks!
> Bruce
> Somerset 671 SoCal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris Burti
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:20 AM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 Rudder Play
> 
> I'll add a bit of info here. As a former Cal owner
> and
> ex list member of that group, this was the topic of considerable 
> discussion on our older boats.
> 
> The general consensus there was that the rudder
> posts
> rarely wear in uniform cylindrical pattern since the
> post does not rotate consistently. They tend to wear
> into an elipsoid shape. As a result, the epoxy
> technique was excellent in theory, but in practice
> it
> would lock up the rudder post immovably if there was
> any significant wear.
> 
> The preferred repair was to shim the post with long
> narrow tabs cut from soft drink bottles or milk jugs
> and add them around the perimeter until rudder
> operation was smooth. Polyethylene is
> self-lubricating, so this is a low maintenance
> solution. I did mine and it was holding up two years
> later when we disposed of our T/2 a Lapworth
> designed
> half-tonner.
> 
> Be aware that if you remove the emergency steering
> bolt and the steering quadrant, nothing is holding
> the
> rudder in the boat when you loosen the stuffing box.
> 
> 
> Older rudders may not be positively bouyant...so...
> 
> 
> cb
> 
> --- Bruce Heyman <BruceHeyman at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > Peter,
> > While continuing to try to sort out the stanchion replacement I was 
> > talking to the technical rep here in CA (by the way they
> > sure do seem to have a
> > strange parts ordering process).
> > 
> > There are no bearings for the rudder shaft, only a
> > stuffing box at the top
> > of the fiberglass tube.  Technical support is
> > sending me something that
> > explains how to take some of the play out as the
> > tube wears.  She verbally
> > described a process where you fill the tube with
> > epoxy and another process
> > where you use shims.  I will publish whatever I
> get
> > from them.
> > 
> > Bruce
> > Somerset 671 SoCal
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Bruce Heyman
> > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:05 PM
> > To: 'C320-List'
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 Rudder Play
> > 
> > Peter,
> > 
> > I tried to figure this out this afternoon when we
> > were down at the boat.  At
> > the top of the rudder shaft glassed into the hull
> > there is a brass fitting
> > that looks like a combination bearing and stuffing
> > box.  Mine had green
> > stuffing oozing out.  Thought it was grease but
> felt
> > more like wax.  There
> > did not seem to be any adjustments or grease
> zerks.
> > There is nothing at the
> > bottom of the shaft log that is accessible from
> the
> > inside, so if there is a
> > bearing as the shaft enters the hull it must be
> > accessible from the outside.
> > That said when I was doing the bottom paint it
> > looked perfectly fair around
> > the rudder shaft.
> > 
> > Looks like there is another bearing glassed into
> the
> > deck which is visible
> > from the aft port lazarette and from the emergency
> > tiller access port. Again
> > I did not see any way to make any adjustments or
> any
> > grease zerks.
> > Have you been successful in finding anything?
> > 
> > Bruce
> > Somerset 671 SoCal
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Peter Clancy
> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:26 PM
> > To: C320-List
> > Subject: [C320-list] C320 Rudder Play
> > 
> > When last hauled for a bottom job I found some
> play
> > where the rudder post
> > enters the hull. Does anyone know if there is a
> > rudder bearing located at
> > the base of the rudder shaft or does it simply
> enter
> > the shaft? I believe
> > boats might be configured either way. Better yet,
> > has anyone already dealt
> > with this problem and how was it resolved. Thanks.
> > 
> > Peter Clancy
> > AROBAN  C320  #222
> > Miami, FL
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Chris Burti
> "Commitment"
> Catalina 320, #867,
> Farmville, NC
> 
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Chris Burti
"Commitment"
Catalina 320, #867, 
Farmville, NC

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