[C320-list] C320 Rudder Play

[Chris Burti]

It was a IOR racer with a tiller. But, considering
that the issue was a worn rudderpost slopping around
in a worn rudder tube, I'm not sure that pedestal
wheel brake would diminish the symptoms any. It was a
lateral movement issue, not a rotating one.

--- Adam Weiner <esquirecatering at rcn.com> wrote:

> With the wheel brake on did it still slop under
> anchor?
> 
> Adam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris Burti
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:56 AM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 Rudder Play
> 
> 
> I don't recall any such discussion. In my case the
> boat had not had much maintenance for years and it
> was
> more objectionable at anchor when the slop produce a
> lot of clunking noises. Under weigh, there was
> enough
> lateral pressure on the rudder that you usually
> didn't
> notice it much.
> 
> --- Bruce Heyman <BruceHeyman at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > Chris,
> > Thanks for the info, would be a definite bummer to
> > "sink" the rudder in the
> > slip.  From the discussions on the other lists was
> > there a metric developed
> > for how bad the wear had to be before people felt
> > they needed to do
> > something about it?  I don't have any noticeable
> > play in the wheel when
> > under sail or power but could definitely feel it
> > when the boat was on the
> > hard by rocking the ruder back.
> > Thanks!
> > Bruce
> > Somerset 671 SoCal
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On
> Behalf Of Chris Burti
> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:20 AM
> > To: C320-List
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 Rudder Play
> > 
> > I'll add a bit of info here. As a former Cal owner
> > and
> > ex list member of that group, this was the topic
> of considerable 
> > discussion on our older boats.
> > 
> > The general consensus there was that the rudder
> > posts
> > rarely wear in uniform cylindrical pattern since
> the
> > post does not rotate consistently. They tend to
> wear
> > into an elipsoid shape. As a result, the epoxy
> > technique was excellent in theory, but in practice
> > it
> > would lock up the rudder post immovably if there
> was
> > any significant wear.
> > 
> > The preferred repair was to shim the post with
> long
> > narrow tabs cut from soft drink bottles or milk
> jugs
> > and add them around the perimeter until rudder
> > operation was smooth. Polyethylene is
> > self-lubricating, so this is a low maintenance
> > solution. I did mine and it was holding up two
> years
> > later when we disposed of our T/2 a Lapworth
> > designed
> > half-tonner.
> > 
> > Be aware that if you remove the emergency steering
> > bolt and the steering quadrant, nothing is holding
> > the
> > rudder in the boat when you loosen the stuffing
> box.
> > 
> > 
> > Older rudders may not be positively
> bouyant...so...
> > 
> > 
> > cb
> > 
> > --- Bruce Heyman <BruceHeyman at cox.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > Peter,
> > > While continuing to try to sort out the
> stanchion replacement I was 
> > > talking to the technical rep here in CA (by the
> way they
> > > sure do seem to have a
> > > strange parts ordering process).
> > > 
> > > There are no bearings for the rudder shaft, only
> a
> > > stuffing box at the top
> > > of the fiberglass tube.  Technical support is
> > > sending me something that
> > > explains how to take some of the play out as the
> > > tube wears.  She verbally
> > > described a process where you fill the tube with
> > > epoxy and another process
> > > where you use shims.  I will publish whatever I
> > get
> > > from them.
> > > 
> > > Bruce
> > > Somerset 671 SoCal
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Bruce Heyman
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:05 PM
> > > To: 'C320-List'
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 Rudder Play
> > > 
> > > Peter,
> > > 
> > > I tried to figure this out this afternoon when
> we
> > > were down at the boat.  At
> > > the top of the rudder shaft glassed into the
> hull
> > > there is a brass fitting
> > > that looks like a combination bearing and
> stuffing
> > > box.  Mine had green
> > > stuffing oozing out.  Thought it was grease but
> > felt
> > > more like wax.  There
> > > did not seem to be any adjustments or grease
> > zerks.
> > > There is nothing at the
> > > bottom of the shaft log that is accessible from
> > the
> > > inside, so if there is a
> > > bearing as the shaft enters the hull it must be
> > > accessible from the outside.
> > > That said when I was doing the bottom paint it
> > > looked perfectly fair around
> > > the rudder shaft.
> > > 
> > > Looks like there is another bearing glassed into
> > the
> > > deck which is visible
> > > from the aft port lazarette and from the
> emergency
> > > tiller access port. Again
> > > I did not see any way to make any adjustments or
> > any
> > > grease zerks.
> > > Have you been successful in finding anything?
> > > 
> > > Bruce
> > > Somerset 671 SoCal
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Peter Clancy
> > > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:26 PM
> > > To: C320-List
> > > Subject: [C320-list] C320 Rudder Play
> > > 
> > > When last hauled for a bottom job I found some
> > play
> > > where the rudder post
> > > enters the hull. Does anyone know if there is a
> > > rudder bearing located at
> > > the base of the rudder shaft or does it simply
> > enter
> > > the shaft? I believe
> > > boats might be configured either way. Better
> yet,
> > > has anyone already dealt
> > > with this problem and how was it resolved.
> Thanks.
> > > 
> > > Peter Clancy
> > > AROBAN  C320  #222
> > > Miami, FL
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> 
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Chris Burti
"Commitment"
Catalina 320, #867, 
Farmville, NC

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