[C320-list] Questions - Lens Covers

Tue Aug 14 09:32:59 PDT 2007

Darrel, I encountered the same situation with my lens covers. I contacted Catalina and gave them the dimensions of the lens covers however they sent the wrong size (too big). I called them about it and the size they sent was the only size they stocked. The lens cost about $5.50 each plus shipping. I decided it was cheaper to replace the entire light at some point in the future rather than ship the lens back to Catalina.

  Hank LeSieur
  #331

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1. Re: Mast Cranes and Asymetrics. (Jeff Church)
2. Re: Mast Cranes and Asymetrics. (Denny Browne)
3. Re: asymetric spinnaker or genneker (Fred Grimann)
4. Re: Mast Cranes and Asymetrics. (bruceheyman at cox.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:42:22 -0500
From: "Jeff Church" 
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
To: "C320-List" 
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Guys,

I thought the crane was also supposed to give the snuffer more room so that it doesn't get jammed against the mast and forestay. Is that not an issue? 

In any case, the quality of the crane that is available for our mast is terrible, and if I had it to do over, I'd try to go without it.

JeffC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kirk McCullough 
To: C320-List 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

Ditto what Rob says, I have not needed a crane. There doesn't seem to be any 
chafing. I often do not hoist the asym all the way up, but it works well 
with a full hoist also. Keep the halyard outside the jib as Rob mentions. We 
just did a very nice spin run on the weekend in the Gulf Islands and jibed 3 
times over a 5 mile distance and all the jibes were smooth.

I must say however that i sometimes have a twist in the sail when i first 
hoist it, which usually comes out when i sheet in just after hoisting it. 
Once or twice i have needed to drop it again and work the twist out on the 
foredeck. Sometimes the swivel at the sail head doesn't want to work.

Anybody else have this twisting experience. I'm sure I'm part of the problem 
doing something wrong when i repack the sail in the bag.

Kirk
Boomerang #124
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert E. Sloat" 
To: "C320-List" 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

> Irv-I have benn flying a UK Flasher asymmetric and there is no problem 
> with
> the halyard crossing the forestay on jibes. I don't have a crane and after 
> 4
> seasons of fairly regular use there is no chafing of the spinnaker haylard 
> of any of the
> spinnaker gear. If you were using the spinnaker for days at a time, there
> may be some benefit in using a crane and the additional equipment to keep 
> the sock away from the mast and
> possibly prevent chafing of the halyard.
>
> The spinnaker halyard exits the mast above the forestay fitting so the
> spinnaker halyard clears the forestay if properly connected to the
> spinnaker. The key when launching is to make sure that the spinnaker
> halyard is in front of the forestay and does not pass through the
> foretriangle.
>
> For the folks who added a crane, did you have to install an exit hole and 
> fitting in the mast for the spinnaker halyard going to the crane block?
>
> Bob Sloat
> Savannah Hull 894
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Irv Grunes" 
> To: "C320-List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:03 AM
> Subject: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are still looking at Asymetrics. Looking for any comments on my 
>> scheme
>> below to eliminte the need for a crane.
>>
>> Found this Quantun website:
>>
>> http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/asymmetrical%20trim%20guide.pdf
>>
>> I sent this to my sailing partner:
>> ============================================================================
>> ===================
>>
>> BUT the Quantum article says:
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> What equipment do I need?
>>
>> . Spinnaker halyard that is above
>>
>> the forestay.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I am not sure of this BUT
>>
>> I think that our forestay goes to the top of the mast.
>>
>> I think the sheave for the spinnaker halyard is below it and lets assume
>> that it is on the port side.
>>
>> Then flying an asym on the port side, the halyard would not be in contact
>> with the forestay.
>>
>> Then if jibeing the asym to the starboard side, the halyard would have to
>> cross over the forestay and would probably chafe.
>>
>> As I think about it, I think the solution would be something like our
>> backstay adjuster that has the ball on the line to keep the thimble from
>> pulling up into the sheave. If a stopper ball were put on the halyard, a
>> knot on the halyard to hold the stopper ball, and then 8 inches or so of
>> chafe guard were put on the halyard and then the shackle to the halyard.
>>
>> Then the sail would be hoisted that 8 inches or so lower, but when jibed,
>> the chafe guard would protect the halyard from the forestay.
>>
>> This would eliminate the requirement for a crane and allow us to use the
>> spinnaker halyard safely.
>>
>> I will bounce this off the list to see what response we get.
>>
>> Irv
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Seiden [mailto:theseidens at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:18 PM
>> To: Irv Grunes
>> Subject: Re: Asym's
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Requesting quotes from a lot of the lofts. Will keep you posted on the
>> quotes.
>>
>> Saw this at the quantum website. See for setting and dousing
>>
>> http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/asymmetrical%20trim%20guide.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> READ IT!
>>
>>
>> We want it for running in light air. That would seem to mean the middle
>> sail.
>>
>>
>> The diagrams seem to suggest that the head of the asymmetrical comes well
>> below the top of the mast. Especially with a sock, that should keep the
>> head of the sail well away from anything it could chafe on.
>>
>>
>> Quantum says absolutely nothing about a crane.
>>
>>
>> me
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:31:22 -0700
From: "Denny Browne" 
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
To: "'C320-List'" 
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Our masthead is built to accommodate two jib halyards that exit the masthead
below the headstay attachment and two wing halyards that exit the masthead
above the headstay. The boat is generally shipped with one jib halyard and
one wing halyard, which may of us use for spinnakers and gennakers. I use
both sails and have actually added another of each halyard. This enables me
to raise the spinnaker or gennaker on either side of the masthead. There is
little risk of significant chafe as long as you douse the sail on the same
side that you hoisted it on. If you hoist it on the portside wing halyard
and try to douse on the starboard side, a common occurrence when racing,
then significant chafe results unless you're careful to douse the sail
before heading up. This problem is largely overcome by the masthead crane,
which allows the lead to rotate back. If you do douse on the opposite side
from the hoist, you must remember to pass the port halyard outside the now
unfurled genoa, outside the headstay and back to the port side. If you don't
do that, you'll wrap things around the headstay and have a mess on your
hands, potentially damaged sails, people will talk about you, etc. The
masthead crane is a better solution, but I doubt most of us will benefit
from the expense. The wing halyards have worked perfectly well for many of
us.

Denny Browne
T: 310-387-2235
F: 310-316-0154
denny at dennybrowne.com

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Church
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:42 PM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

Guys,

I thought the crane was also supposed to give the snuffer more room so that
it doesn't get jammed against the mast and forestay. Is that not an issue? 

In any case, the quality of the crane that is available for our mast is
terrible, and if I had it to do over, I'd try to go without it.

JeffC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kirk McCullough 
To: C320-List 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

Ditto what Rob says, I have not needed a crane. There doesn't seem to be
any 
chafing. I often do not hoist the asym all the way up, but it works well 
with a full hoist also. Keep the halyard outside the jib as Rob mentions.
We 
just did a very nice spin run on the weekend in the Gulf Islands and jibed
3 
times over a 5 mile distance and all the jibes were smooth.

I must say however that i sometimes have a twist in the sail when i first 
hoist it, which usually comes out when i sheet in just after hoisting it. 
Once or twice i have needed to drop it again and work the twist out on the

foredeck. Sometimes the swivel at the sail head doesn't want to work.

Anybody else have this twisting experience. I'm sure I'm part of the
problem 
doing something wrong when i repack the sail in the bag.

Kirk
Boomerang #124
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert E. Sloat" 
To: "C320-List" 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

> Irv-I have benn flying a UK Flasher asymmetric and there is no problem 
> with
> the halyard crossing the forestay on jibes. I don't have a crane and
after 
> 4
> seasons of fairly regular use there is no chafing of the spinnaker
haylard 
> of any of the
> spinnaker gear. If you were using the spinnaker for days at a time,
there
> may be some benefit in using a crane and the additional equipment to
keep 
> the sock away from the mast and
> possibly prevent chafing of the halyard.
>
> The spinnaker halyard exits the mast above the forestay fitting so the
> spinnaker halyard clears the forestay if properly connected to the
> spinnaker. The key when launching is to make sure that the spinnaker
> halyard is in front of the forestay and does not pass through the
> foretriangle.
>
> For the folks who added a crane, did you have to install an exit hole
and 
> fitting in the mast for the spinnaker halyard going to the crane block?
>
> Bob Sloat
> Savannah Hull 894
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Irv Grunes" 
> To: "C320-List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:03 AM
> Subject: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are still looking at Asymetrics. Looking for any comments on my 
>> scheme
>> below to eliminte the need for a crane.
>>
>> Found this Quantun website:
>>
>> http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/asymmetrical%20trim%20guide.pdf
>>
>> I sent this to my sailing partner:
>>
============================================================================
>> ===================
>>
>> BUT the Quantum article says:
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> What equipment do I need?
>>
>> . Spinnaker halyard that is above
>>
>> the forestay.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I am not sure of this BUT
>>
>> I think that our forestay goes to the top of the mast.
>>
>> I think the sheave for the spinnaker halyard is below it and lets
assume
>> that it is on the port side.
>>
>> Then flying an asym on the port side, the halyard would not be in
contact
>> with the forestay.
>>
>> Then if jibeing the asym to the starboard side, the halyard would have
to
>> cross over the forestay and would probably chafe.
>>
>> As I think about it, I think the solution would be something like our
>> backstay adjuster that has the ball on the line to keep the thimble
from
>> pulling up into the sheave. If a stopper ball were put on the halyard,
a
>> knot on the halyard to hold the stopper ball, and then 8 inches or so
of
>> chafe guard were put on the halyard and then the shackle to the
halyard.
>>
>> Then the sail would be hoisted that 8 inches or so lower, but when
jibed,
>> the chafe guard would protect the halyard from the forestay.
>>
>> This would eliminate the requirement for a crane and allow us to use
the
>> spinnaker halyard safely.
>>
>> I will bounce this off the list to see what response we get.
>>
>> Irv
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Seiden [mailto:theseidens at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:18 PM
>> To: Irv Grunes
>> Subject: Re: Asym's
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Requesting quotes from a lot of the lofts. Will keep you posted on the
>> quotes.
>>
>> Saw this at the quantum website. See for setting and dousing
>>
>> http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/asymmetrical%20trim%20guide.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> READ IT!
>>
>>
>> We want it for running in light air. That would seem to mean the
middle
>> sail.
>>
>>
>> The diagrams seem to suggest that the head of the asymmetrical comes
well
>> below the top of the mast. Especially with a sock, that should keep
the
>> head of the sail well away from anything it could chafe on.
>>
>>
>> Quantum says absolutely nothing about a crane.
>>
>>
>> me
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:14:09 -0700
From: "Fred Grimann" 
Subject: Re: [C320-list] asymetric spinnaker or genneker
To: 
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North Sails
#1512491 -01 G-AP2 0.75oz Norlon Asymmetric Gennaker
Dimensions :
I = 43.6
J = 12.33
P = 38
E = 13.25

Fred Grimann
Tenacity, #69

Fred Grimann
Automotive Technician Program
email fgrimann at vcc.ca
>>> igrunes at comcast.net 08/09/07 9:02 PM >>>
Fred,
Would appreciate, dimensions, sail cloth weight and cut (Radial, trirasdial
ar whatever).
Did you ovesize the tacker if you have a genny with a foam luff?
Irv Grunes
Isle of wight #851

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com]On Behalf Of Fred Grimann
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:52 PM
To: c320-list at catalina320.com; dennybrowne at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [C320-list] asymetric spinnaker or genneker

I have an asymmetric from North Sails with a snuffer and a tacker. It's the
largest that will fit the Catalina 320. Will supply model, weight, and
dimensions if requested.
The wife and I fly it frequently when cruising. (We are in our senior years)
We use it every time we race but cannot sail efficiently lower then 165
true wind; unless your destination is d.d.w. you go wing on wing in less
then 5 knots of wind ( this is tricky!). Make shure velocity made good is
better on this heading!
On the other hand we have sailed as high as 55 degrees true wind in light
air. (one needs to experiment this with different air velocities)
The only other problem is furling or unfurling the foresail as we open or
douse the asymmetric without catching the spinnaker halyard at the top (a
crane may help). This is only a problem when one races and the foredeck crew
can help prevent this from happening. When we cruise we do one sail change
at a time and the Halyard wrap is not a problem.

Fred Grimann
C320 'Tenacity' #69

Fred Grimann
Automotive Technician Program
email fgrimann at vcc.ca

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:03:18 +0000
From: bruceheyman at cox.net
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
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Jeff,
Thanks. When racing I usually pull and douse the spinaker with the jenny deployed. As the boat is usually crashing through the waves it seems easier to be sitting windward of the hatch and have one hand on the halyard and the other pulling the sock from the leward side of the jenny and depositing it in the vee birth.

I believe my spinaker halyard is reeved through a mast head sheeve and then to a block on the crand. I find that on very long spinaker runs I get significant halyard shafing. Does the mast come with the spinaker halyard exits already in place and several inches below the sheeves or is that something that you have to add?
Bruce
Somerset 671 SoCal
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jeff Church" 

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:31:40 
To:"C320-List" 
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

Bruce,

When you rig a crane you would usually have the halyard exiting the mast about 3' below the masthead, bypassing the masthead sheave. I don't think there is any advantage to using an internal halyard, but when I've raised or doused the asym I haven't needed to control both the halyard and sock at the same time. 

JeffC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: bruceheyman at cox.net 
To: C320-List 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

Jeff and others,
Is their an advantage to running the spinaker halyard through the mast and make use of the mast head sheeve? I was thinking of using the extra mast head sheeve as a second jib halyard and then using the block on the crane for the spinaker. That way when I'm setting or retriving the spinaker alone at the forward hatch I can have the spinaker halyard easily in hand while also having control of the sock.
Bad idea?
Bruce
Somerset 671 SoCal
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jeff Church" 

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:29:06 
To:"C320-List" 
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

Bob,

When I installed the crane, the guys at SailPlace advised me that the halyard should exit a couple of feet below the masthead, so that's what I did. 

In retrospect, given how infrequently we use the asym, I wish I had tried to fly it before I bothered to add the crane.

JeffC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Robert E. Sloat 
To: C320-List 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

.......For the folks who added a crane, did you have to install an exit hole and 
fitting in the mast for the spinnaker halyard going to the crane block?

Bob Sloat
Savannah Hull 894

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Irv Grunes" 
To: "C320-List" 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

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