[C320-list] Questions - Lens Covers

Tue Aug 14 09:38:02 PDT 2007

Thanks Hank,

I thought maybe they were out of production and I would have to replace 
them,

Darrell
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry LeSieur" <hankles at sbcglobal.net>
To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: [C320-list] Questions - Lens Covers

> Darrel, I encountered the same situation with my lens covers. I contacted 
> Catalina and gave them the dimensions of the lens covers however they sent 
> the wrong size (too big). I called them about it and the size they sent 
> was the only size they stocked. The lens cost about $5.50 each plus 
> shipping. I decided it was cheaper to replace the entire light at some 
> point in the future rather than ship the lens back to Catalina.
>
>  Hank LeSieur
>  #331
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> 1. Re: Mast Cranes and Asymetrics. (Jeff Church)
> 2. Re: Mast Cranes and Asymetrics. (Denny Browne)
> 3. Re: asymetric spinnaker or genneker (Fred Grimann)
> 4. Re: Mast Cranes and Asymetrics. (bruceheyman at cox.net)
> 5. ATTIC (Pat Moriarty)
> 6. Re: C320 Emblem/decals/logos etc. (Chris Burti)
> 7. Re: ATTIC (Jeffrey Hare)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:42:22 -0500
> From: "Jeff Church"
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
> To: "C320-List"
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>
> Guys,
>
> I thought the crane was also supposed to give the snuffer more room so 
> that it doesn't get jammed against the mast and forestay. Is that not an 
> issue?
>
> In any case, the quality of the crane that is available for our mast is 
> terrible, and if I had it to do over, I'd try to go without it.
>
> JeffC
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Kirk McCullough
> To: C320-List
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
> Ditto what Rob says, I have not needed a crane. There doesn't seem to be 
> any
> chafing. I often do not hoist the asym all the way up, but it works well
> with a full hoist also. Keep the halyard outside the jib as Rob mentions. 
> We
> just did a very nice spin run on the weekend in the Gulf Islands and jibed 
> 3
> times over a 5 mile distance and all the jibes were smooth.
>
> I must say however that i sometimes have a twist in the sail when i first
> hoist it, which usually comes out when i sheet in just after hoisting it.
> Once or twice i have needed to drop it again and work the twist out on the
> foredeck. Sometimes the swivel at the sail head doesn't want to work.
>
> Anybody else have this twisting experience. I'm sure I'm part of the 
> problem
> doing something wrong when i repack the sail in the bag.
>
> Kirk
> Boomerang #124
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert E. Sloat"
> To: "C320-List"
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
>> Irv-I have benn flying a UK Flasher asymmetric and there is no problem
>> with
>> the halyard crossing the forestay on jibes. I don't have a crane and 
>> after
>> 4
>> seasons of fairly regular use there is no chafing of the spinnaker 
>> haylard
>> of any of the
>> spinnaker gear. If you were using the spinnaker for days at a time, there
>> may be some benefit in using a crane and the additional equipment to keep
>> the sock away from the mast and
>> possibly prevent chafing of the halyard.
>>
>> The spinnaker halyard exits the mast above the forestay fitting so the
>> spinnaker halyard clears the forestay if properly connected to the
>> spinnaker. The key when launching is to make sure that the spinnaker
>> halyard is in front of the forestay and does not pass through the
>> foretriangle.
>>
>> For the folks who added a crane, did you have to install an exit hole and
>> fitting in the mast for the spinnaker halyard going to the crane block?
>>
>> Bob Sloat
>> Savannah Hull 894
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Irv Grunes"
>> To: "C320-List"
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:03 AM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We are still looking at Asymetrics. Looking for any comments on my
>>> scheme
>>> below to eliminte the need for a crane.
>>>
>>> Found this Quantun website:
>>>
>>> http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/asymmetrical%20trim%20guide.pdf
>>>
>>> I sent this to my sailing partner:
>>> ============================================================================
>>> ===================
>>>
>>> BUT the Quantum article says:
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>> What equipment do I need?
>>>
>>> . Spinnaker halyard that is above
>>>
>>> the forestay.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> I am not sure of this BUT
>>>
>>> I think that our forestay goes to the top of the mast.
>>>
>>> I think the sheave for the spinnaker halyard is below it and lets assume
>>> that it is on the port side.
>>>
>>> Then flying an asym on the port side, the halyard would not be in 
>>> contact
>>> with the forestay.
>>>
>>> Then if jibeing the asym to the starboard side, the halyard would have 
>>> to
>>> cross over the forestay and would probably chafe.
>>>
>>> As I think about it, I think the solution would be something like our
>>> backstay adjuster that has the ball on the line to keep the thimble from
>>> pulling up into the sheave. If a stopper ball were put on the halyard, a
>>> knot on the halyard to hold the stopper ball, and then 8 inches or so of
>>> chafe guard were put on the halyard and then the shackle to the halyard.
>>>
>>> Then the sail would be hoisted that 8 inches or so lower, but when 
>>> jibed,
>>> the chafe guard would protect the halyard from the forestay.
>>>
>>> This would eliminate the requirement for a crane and allow us to use the
>>> spinnaker halyard safely.
>>>
>>> I will bounce this off the list to see what response we get.
>>>
>>> Irv
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bob Seiden [mailto:theseidens at earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:18 PM
>>> To: Irv Grunes
>>> Subject: Re: Asym's
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Requesting quotes from a lot of the lofts. Will keep you posted on the
>>> quotes.
>>>
>>> Saw this at the quantum website. See for setting and dousing
>>>
>>> http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/asymmetrical%20trim%20guide.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> READ IT!
>>>
>>>
>>> We want it for running in light air. That would seem to mean the middle
>>> sail.
>>>
>>>
>>> The diagrams seem to suggest that the head of the asymmetrical comes 
>>> well
>>> below the top of the mast. Especially with a sock, that should keep the
>>> head of the sail well away from anything it could chafe on.
>>>
>>>
>>> Quantum says absolutely nothing about a crane.
>>>
>>>
>>> me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:31:22 -0700
> From: "Denny Browne"
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
> To: "'C320-List'"
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>
> Our masthead is built to accommodate two jib halyards that exit the 
> masthead
> below the headstay attachment and two wing halyards that exit the masthead
> above the headstay. The boat is generally shipped with one jib halyard and
> one wing halyard, which may of us use for spinnakers and gennakers. I use
> both sails and have actually added another of each halyard. This enables 
> me
> to raise the spinnaker or gennaker on either side of the masthead. There 
> is
> little risk of significant chafe as long as you douse the sail on the same
> side that you hoisted it on. If you hoist it on the portside wing halyard
> and try to douse on the starboard side, a common occurrence when racing,
> then significant chafe results unless you're careful to douse the sail
> before heading up. This problem is largely overcome by the masthead crane,
> which allows the lead to rotate back. If you do douse on the opposite side
> from the hoist, you must remember to pass the port halyard outside the now
> unfurled genoa, outside the headstay and back to the port side. If you 
> don't
> do that, you'll wrap things around the headstay and have a mess on your
> hands, potentially damaged sails, people will talk about you, etc. The
> masthead crane is a better solution, but I doubt most of us will benefit
> from the expense. The wing halyards have worked perfectly well for many of
> us.
>
> Denny Browne
> T: 310-387-2235
> F: 310-316-0154
> denny at dennybrowne.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Church
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:42 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
> Guys,
>
> I thought the crane was also supposed to give the snuffer more room so 
> that
> it doesn't get jammed against the mast and forestay. Is that not an issue?
>
> In any case, the quality of the crane that is available for our mast is
> terrible, and if I had it to do over, I'd try to go without it.
>
> JeffC
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Kirk McCullough
> To: C320-List
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
> Ditto what Rob says, I have not needed a crane. There doesn't seem to be
> any
> chafing. I often do not hoist the asym all the way up, but it works well
> with a full hoist also. Keep the halyard outside the jib as Rob mentions.
> We
> just did a very nice spin run on the weekend in the Gulf Islands and jibed
> 3
> times over a 5 mile distance and all the jibes were smooth.
>
> I must say however that i sometimes have a twist in the sail when i first
> hoist it, which usually comes out when i sheet in just after hoisting it.
> Once or twice i have needed to drop it again and work the twist out on the
>
> foredeck. Sometimes the swivel at the sail head doesn't want to work.
>
> Anybody else have this twisting experience. I'm sure I'm part of the
> problem
> doing something wrong when i repack the sail in the bag.
>
> Kirk
> Boomerang #124
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert E. Sloat"
> To: "C320-List"
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
>> Irv-I have benn flying a UK Flasher asymmetric and there is no problem
>> with
>> the halyard crossing the forestay on jibes. I don't have a crane and
> after
>> 4
>> seasons of fairly regular use there is no chafing of the spinnaker
> haylard
>> of any of the
>> spinnaker gear. If you were using the spinnaker for days at a time,
> there
>> may be some benefit in using a crane and the additional equipment to
> keep
>> the sock away from the mast and
>> possibly prevent chafing of the halyard.
>>
>> The spinnaker halyard exits the mast above the forestay fitting so the
>> spinnaker halyard clears the forestay if properly connected to the
>> spinnaker. The key when launching is to make sure that the spinnaker
>> halyard is in front of the forestay and does not pass through the
>> foretriangle.
>>
>> For the folks who added a crane, did you have to install an exit hole
> and
>> fitting in the mast for the spinnaker halyard going to the crane block?
>>
>> Bob Sloat
>> Savannah Hull 894
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Irv Grunes"
>> To: "C320-List"
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:03 AM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We are still looking at Asymetrics. Looking for any comments on my
>>> scheme
>>> below to eliminte the need for a crane.
>>>
>>> Found this Quantun website:
>>>
>>> http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/asymmetrical%20trim%20guide.pdf
>>>
>>> I sent this to my sailing partner:
>>>
> ============================================================================
>>> ===================
>>>
>>> BUT the Quantum article says:
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>> What equipment do I need?
>>>
>>> . Spinnaker halyard that is above
>>>
>>> the forestay.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> I am not sure of this BUT
>>>
>>> I think that our forestay goes to the top of the mast.
>>>
>>> I think the sheave for the spinnaker halyard is below it and lets
> assume
>>> that it is on the port side.
>>>
>>> Then flying an asym on the port side, the halyard would not be in
> contact
>>> with the forestay.
>>>
>>> Then if jibeing the asym to the starboard side, the halyard would have
> to
>>> cross over the forestay and would probably chafe.
>>>
>>> As I think about it, I think the solution would be something like our
>>> backstay adjuster that has the ball on the line to keep the thimble
> from
>>> pulling up into the sheave. If a stopper ball were put on the halyard,
> a
>>> knot on the halyard to hold the stopper ball, and then 8 inches or so
> of
>>> chafe guard were put on the halyard and then the shackle to the
> halyard.
>>>
>>> Then the sail would be hoisted that 8 inches or so lower, but when
> jibed,
>>> the chafe guard would protect the halyard from the forestay.
>>>
>>> This would eliminate the requirement for a crane and allow us to use
> the
>>> spinnaker halyard safely.
>>>
>>> I will bounce this off the list to see what response we get.
>>>
>>> Irv
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bob Seiden [mailto:theseidens at earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:18 PM
>>> To: Irv Grunes
>>> Subject: Re: Asym's
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Requesting quotes from a lot of the lofts. Will keep you posted on the
>>> quotes.
>>>
>>> Saw this at the quantum website. See for setting and dousing
>>>
>>> http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/asymmetrical%20trim%20guide.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> READ IT!
>>>
>>>
>>> We want it for running in light air. That would seem to mean the
> middle
>>> sail.
>>>
>>>
>>> The diagrams seem to suggest that the head of the asymmetrical comes
> well
>>> below the top of the mast. Especially with a sock, that should keep
> the
>>> head of the sail well away from anything it could chafe on.
>>>
>>>
>>> Quantum says absolutely nothing about a crane.
>>>
>>>
>>> me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database:
>> 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:14:09 -0700
> From: "Fred Grimann"
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] asymetric spinnaker or genneker
> To:
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> North Sails
> #1512491 -01 G-AP2 0.75oz Norlon Asymmetric Gennaker
> Dimensions :
> I = 43.6
> J = 12.33
> P = 38
> E = 13.25
>
> Fred Grimann
> Tenacity, #69
>
> Fred Grimann
> Automotive Technician Program
> email fgrimann at vcc.ca
>>>> igrunes at comcast.net 08/09/07 9:02 PM >>>
> Fred,
> Would appreciate, dimensions, sail cloth weight and cut (Radial, 
> trirasdial
> ar whatever).
> Did you ovesize the tacker if you have a genny with a foam luff?
> Irv Grunes
> Isle of wight #851
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com]On Behalf Of Fred Grimann
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:52 PM
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com; dennybrowne at verizon.net
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] asymetric spinnaker or genneker
>
>
> I have an asymmetric from North Sails with a snuffer and a tacker. It's 
> the
> largest that will fit the Catalina 320. Will supply model, weight, and
> dimensions if requested.
> The wife and I fly it frequently when cruising. (We are in our senior 
> years)
> We use it every time we race but cannot sail efficiently lower then 165
> true wind; unless your destination is d.d.w. you go wing on wing in less
> then 5 knots of wind ( this is tricky!). Make shure velocity made good is
> better on this heading!
> On the other hand we have sailed as high as 55 degrees true wind in light
> air. (one needs to experiment this with different air velocities)
> The only other problem is furling or unfurling the foresail as we open or
> douse the asymmetric without catching the spinnaker halyard at the top (a
> crane may help). This is only a problem when one races and the foredeck 
> crew
> can help prevent this from happening. When we cruise we do one sail change
> at a time and the Halyard wrap is not a problem.
>
> Fred Grimann
> C320 'Tenacity' #69
>
>
>
>
> Fred Grimann
> Automotive Technician Program
> email fgrimann at vcc.ca
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:03:18 +0000
> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
> To: "C320-List"
> Message-ID:
> <1342136517-1187093003-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2092035702- at bxe027.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Jeff,
> Thanks. When racing I usually pull and douse the spinaker with the jenny 
> deployed. As the boat is usually crashing through the waves it seems 
> easier to be sitting windward of the hatch and have one hand on the 
> halyard and the other pulling the sock from the leward side of the jenny 
> and depositing it in the vee birth.
>
> I believe my spinaker halyard is reeved through a mast head sheeve and 
> then to a block on the crand. I find that on very long spinaker runs I get 
> significant halyard shafing. Does the mast come with the spinaker halyard 
> exits already in place and several inches below the sheeves or is that 
> something that you have to add?
> Bruce
> Somerset 671 SoCal
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jeff Church"
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:31:40
> To:"C320-List"
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> When you rig a crane you would usually have the halyard exiting the mast 
> about 3' below the masthead, bypassing the masthead sheave. I don't think 
> there is any advantage to using an internal halyard, but when I've raised 
> or doused the asym I haven't needed to control both the halyard and sock 
> at the same time.
>
> JeffC
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
> To: C320-List
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
> Jeff and others,
> Is their an advantage to running the spinaker halyard through the mast and 
> make use of the mast head sheeve? I was thinking of using the extra mast 
> head sheeve as a second jib halyard and then using the block on the crane 
> for the spinaker. That way when I'm setting or retriving the spinaker 
> alone at the forward hatch I can have the spinaker halyard easily in hand 
> while also having control of the sock.
> Bad idea?
> Bruce
> Somerset 671 SoCal
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jeff Church"
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:29:06
> To:"C320-List"
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
> Bob,
>
> When I installed the crane, the guys at SailPlace advised me that the 
> halyard should exit a couple of feet below the masthead, so that's what I 
> did.
>
> In retrospect, given how infrequently we use the asym, I wish I had tried 
> to fly it before I bothered to add the crane.
>
> JeffC
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Robert E. Sloat
> To: C320-List
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
>
> .......For the folks who added a crane, did you have to install an exit 
> hole and
> fitting in the mast for the spinnaker halyard going to the crane block?
>
> Bob Sloat
> Savannah Hull 894
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Irv Grunes"
> To: "C320-List"
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:03 AM
> Subject: [C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.
>
>
>
> === message truncated === 