[C320-list] Club Racing the C320
Adam Weiner
esquirecatering at rcn.com
Mon Aug 27 19:03:29 PDT 2007
David, everything you say is absolutely true, correct, and perfect. No
argument from me. And, I drove a Dodge Magnum once in Kauai, nice car.
As for me, I seriously race anything under 45 feet going in the same
general direction except C350's. They are so slow that's not fun. I
generally give everyone a good run for it except recently a Saber 37
just beat the foul weather gear off me.
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Dave Moores
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:49 PM
To: 'C320-List'
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
Adam, I said that "some of us want it all", and I reckon the 320 comes
close. I don't race against the sailboat equivalent of Porsches. I
race
"SERIOUSLY" against similar boats that are optimised for PHRF, and we
have great, intense, competitive "SERIOUS" racing. Nothing wrong with
that I hope. Then I still have this fine cruiser when the racing's over.
In fact, because of the 320's nice underwater shape with the elliptical
keel, rudder and all, it repays a little care and tuning so that you can
surprise people, and that is the biggest kick of all!
Call it more of a Dodge Magnum, not a Suburban, how does that work?
Careful with the answer, that's what I drive. For similar reasons.
Dave M
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of steve smith
Sent: August 27, 2007 8:53 PM
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Come on what did he say?
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Adam Weiner
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:49 PM
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I guess that is a good answer. It's kind of like buying a Suburban and
then try to figure out how to out accelerate a Porsche. Our boats are
great boats, wonderful boats, terrific boats but they aren't serious
racers. We could have all bought a J105 or equivalent but we opted for
the C320 (a much better choice) and then we get upset with anyone who
doesn't want to trick it out and a fair amount of expense to make it go
a bit faster in winds under 12 knots. (By the way, ask Gerry Douglas
what he thinks about folding props on the boat--which I did point blank,
man to man at the Strictly Sail show. I never wanted to write what he
said on here because I don't need any more hate mail then I already
get.)
Warmest regards,
Adam
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Dave Moores
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:36 PM
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Adam: BECAUSE SOME OF US WANT IT ALL!
Dave M
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Adam Weiner
Sent: August 27, 2007 8:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
I only have one question: If you want to race seriously then what in
the hell are you doing with a Catalina 320? Notice I didn't respond to
the comment about me?
Adam
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Scott Thompson
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:03 PM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
Because the rules are made by serious racers, and no serious racer wants
a rule change that would generally make it better to have a slower
sailing boat. Few racers, even on San Francisco Bay, share Adam's
rapture about the the benefits of using a fixed prop as a brake! The
rules are thus biased in favor of racing gear over cruising gear, and no
one believes that they equalize all boats. If that's what you are after
switch to a strict one design class and get out of PHRF.
For what it's worth, I believe that folding props are faster than
feathering ones, and if you really want to race successfully you will do
better with a small two-bladed folder that folds into a really compact
and streamlined package (e.g. the nicer Martec) than with any other
prop. On the other hand, if you are really that serious about racing
then the 320 isn't a very good choice of boat in the first place. I
love to cruise my 320 and I love to race. But I race boats that are
designed for speed, not cruising comfort.
Scott
chris denny wrote:
> If it is generally accepted that a folder is that much of a benefit,
> why is the allowance for a fixed prop not greater? I thought the idea
> was
to
> make things "equal". Is 6 seconds the "standard addition" for a fixed
> prop?
> cd #328
> Peter Clancy wrote:
>
>> Casual racers may underestimate the value of relatively small speed
>> improvements.
>>
>> For example, assume a course is 15 nautical miles long. If you have a
>> modest 1/2 knot per mile speed advantage (with a folding prop) over
an
>> identical boat with a fixed prop and you average 6.5 knots, by the
>> time you reach the finish you'll be at least 10 minutes ahead of the
>> slower boat. If that boat has a 6 second per mile rating advantage
due
>> to a fixed prop, he only gains 90 seconds or 1.5 minutes when
>> corrected. Generally speaking, the lighter the air, the greater the
>> benefit of a folding prop. We raced 'AROBAN' successfully for several
>> years with a Gori two-blade folder and took first in class in last
>> October's Columbus Day Regatta which is South Florida's largest
annual
>> sailboat race.
>> The C320 is a capable racer especially when tweaked and sailed for
>> optimum speed.
>>
>> Peter Clancy
>> 'AROBAN' #222 (former owner)
>> Miami, FL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Origi nal Message ----- From: Joe
>> Barrett<mailto:joe at dolphinmortgage.com> To:
>> 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com> Sent: Tuesday, August
>> 21, 2007 9:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>
>>
>> If going from a fixed to a feathering/folding prop gains you 1/2-3/4
>> knot of speed do the math. The 6 seconds you loose makes getting a
>> feathering/folding prop a no brainer.
>> Joe Barrett
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>>
c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.o
rg>
>>
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of chris denny
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:05 AM
>> To: C320-List
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>
>> If a folder is that much help, why does having a fixed prop get
>> you just 6 seconds on your adjusted PHRF? CD #328
>>
>>
>>
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