[C320-list] Club Racing the C320

[Kirk McCullough]

Adam, are the C350's really slow? I have looked at them as a possible move 
up.


Kirk

#124
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320


> David, everything you say is absolutely true, correct, and perfect.  No
> argument from me. And, I drove a Dodge Magnum once in Kauai, nice car.
>
>
> As for me, I seriously race anything under 45 feet going in the same
> general direction except C350's.  They are so slow that's not fun.  I
> generally give everyone a good run for it except recently a Saber 37
> just beat the foul weather gear off me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Dave Moores
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:49 PM
> To: 'C320-List'
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>
>
> Adam, I said that "some of us want it all", and I reckon the 320 comes
> close.   I don't race against the sailboat equivalent of Porsches.  I
> race
> "SERIOUSLY" against similar boats that are optimised for PHRF,  and we
> have great, intense, competitive "SERIOUS" racing. Nothing wrong with
> that I hope. Then I still have this fine cruiser when the racing's over.
> In fact, because of the 320's nice underwater shape with the elliptical
> keel, rudder and all, it repays a little care and tuning so that you can
> surprise people, and that is the biggest kick of all!
>
> Call it more of a Dodge Magnum, not a Suburban, how does that work?
> Careful with the answer, that's what I drive. For similar reasons.
>
> Dave M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of steve smith
> Sent: August 27, 2007 8:53 PM
> To: 'C320-List'
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
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>
> Come on what did he say?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Adam Weiner
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:49 PM
> To: 'C320-List'
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>
> I guess that is a good answer.  It's kind of like buying a Suburban and
> then try to figure out how to out accelerate a Porsche.  Our boats are
> great boats, wonderful boats, terrific boats but they aren't serious
> racers.  We could have all bought a J105 or equivalent but we opted for
> the C320 (a much better choice) and then we get upset with anyone who
> doesn't want to trick it out and a fair amount of expense to make it go
> a bit faster in winds under 12 knots.  (By the way, ask Gerry Douglas
> what he thinks about folding props on the boat--which I did point blank,
> man to man at the Strictly Sail show.  I never wanted to write what he
> said on here because I don't need any more hate mail then I already
> get.)
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Dave Moores
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:36 PM
> To: 'C320-List'
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>
>
> Adam: BECAUSE SOME OF US WANT IT ALL!
>
> Dave M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Adam Weiner
> Sent: August 27, 2007 8:33 PM
> To: 'C320-List'
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>
>
> I only have one question:  If you want to race seriously then what in
> the hell are you doing with a Catalina 320?  Notice I didn't respond to
> the comment about me?
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Scott Thompson
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:03 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>
>
> Because the rules are made by serious racers, and no serious racer wants
>
> a rule change that would generally make it better to have a slower
> sailing boat.  Few racers, even on San Francisco Bay, share Adam's
> rapture about the the benefits of using a fixed prop as a brake!  The
> rules are thus biased in favor of racing gear over cruising gear, and no
>
> one believes that they equalize all boats.  If that's what you are after
>
> switch to a strict one design class and get out of PHRF.
>
> For what it's worth, I believe that folding props are faster than
> feathering ones, and if you really want to race successfully you will do
>
> better with a small two-bladed folder that folds into a really compact
> and streamlined package (e.g. the nicer Martec) than with any other
> prop.  On the other hand, if you are really that serious about racing
> then the 320 isn't a very good choice of boat in the first place.  I
> love to cruise my 320 and I love to race.  But I race boats that are
> designed for speed, not cruising comfort.
>
> Scott
>
> chris denny wrote:
>> If it is generally accepted that a folder is that much of a benefit,
>> why is the allowance for a fixed prop not greater? I thought the idea
>> was
> to
>> make things "equal".  Is 6 seconds the "standard addition" for a fixed
>
>> prop?
>> cd #328
>> Peter Clancy wrote:
>>
>>> Casual racers may underestimate the value of relatively small speed
>>> improvements.
>>>
>>> For example, assume a course is 15 nautical miles long. If you have a
>
>>> modest 1/2 knot per mile speed advantage (with a folding prop) over
> an
>>> identical boat with a fixed prop and you average 6.5 knots, by the
>>> time you reach the finish  you'll be at least 10 minutes ahead of the
>
>>> slower boat. If that boat has a 6 second per mile rating advantage
> due
>>> to a fixed prop, he only gains 90 seconds or 1.5 minutes when
>>> corrected. Generally speaking, the lighter the air, the greater the
>>> benefit of a folding prop. We raced 'AROBAN' successfully for several
>
>>> years with a Gori two-blade folder and took first in class in last
>>> October's Columbus Day Regatta which is South Florida's largest
> annual
>>> sailboat race.
>>> The C320 is a capable racer especially when tweaked and sailed for
>>> optimum speed.
>>>
>>> Peter Clancy
>>> 'AROBAN' #222 (former owner)
>>> Miami, FL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----- Origi nal Message -----  From: Joe
>>> Barrett<mailto:joe at dolphinmortgage.com>  To:
>>> 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>  Sent: Tuesday, August
>>> 21, 2007 9:19 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>
>>>
>>>  If going from a fixed to a feathering/folding prop gains you 1/2-3/4
>
>>> knot of  speed do the math. The 6 seconds you loose makes getting a
>>> feathering/folding prop a no brainer.
>>>  Joe Barrett
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From:
>>>
> c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.o
> rg>
>>>
>>>  [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of chris denny
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:05 AM
>>>  To: C320-List
>>>  Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>
>>>     If a folder is that much help, why does having a fixed prop get
>>> you just 6  seconds on your adjusted PHRF?  CD #328
>>>
>>>
>>>
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