[C320-list] Club Racing the C320
drshoffner at aol.com
drshoffner at aol.com
Tue Aug 28 11:11:22 PDT 2007
Well said!
M. Shoffner
-----Original Message-----
From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:33 pm
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
all things being relative, I can enjoy cruising even
though it is not a circumnavigation, I can enjoy
racing even though it is not an America Cup Boat and I
can enjoy Lake Michigan even if it is not San
Francisco Bay (the last I do miss most of all)
Imagination!! Beer is universal, it can be consumed
anytime.
Pat R
--- Adam Weiner <esquirecatering at rcn.com> wrote:
> Nice. That is true. But if you were serious about
> racing, wouldn't you
> buy a race boat? Let's take it one step further:
> is there beer
> consumed before or during the race?
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf
> Of pat reynolds
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:18 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>
>
> All racing is serious!
>
> --- Adam Weiner <esquirecatering at rcn.com> wrote:
>
> > I only have one question: If you want to race
> > seriously then what in
> > the hell are you doing with a Catalina 320?
> Notice
> > I didn't respond to
> > the comment about me?
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On
> Behalf Of Scott Thompson
> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:03 PM
> > To: C320-List
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
> >
> >
> > Because the rules are made by serious racers, and
> no
> > serious racer wants
> >
> > a rule change that would generally make it better
> to
> > have a slower
> > sailing boat. Few racers, even on San Francisco
> > Bay, share Adam's
> > rapture about the the benefits of using a fixed
> prop
> > as a brake! The
> > rules are thus biased in favor of racing gear over
> > cruising gear, and no
> >
> > one believes that they equalize all boats. If
> > that's what you are after
> >
> > switch to a strict one design class and get out of
> > PHRF.
> >
> > For what it's worth, I believe that folding props
> > are faster than
> > feathering ones, and if you really want to race
> > successfully you will do
> >
> > better with a small two-bladed folder that folds
> > into a really compact
> > and streamlined package (e.g. the nicer Martec)
> than
> > with any other
> > prop. On the other hand, if you are really that
> > serious about racing
> > then the 320 isn't a very good choice of boat in
> the
> > first place. I
> > love to cruise my 320 and I love to race. But I
> > race boats that are
> > designed for speed, not cruising comfort.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > chris denny wrote:
> > > If it is generally accepted that a folder is
> that
> > much of a benefit,
> > > why
> > > is the allowance for a fixed prop not greater? I
> > thought the idea was
> > to
> > > make things "equal". Is 6 seconds the "standard
> > addition" for a fixed
> >
> > > prop?
> > > cd #328
> > > Peter Clancy wrote:
> > >
> > >> Casual racers may underestimate the value of
> > relatively small speed
> > >> improvements.
> > >>
> > >> For example, assume a course is 15 nautical
> miles
> > long. If you have a
> > >> modest 1/2 knot per mile speed advantage (with
> a
> > folding prop) over
> > an
> > >> identical boat with a fixed prop and you
> average
> > 6.5 knots, by the
> > >> time you reach the finish you'll be at least
> 10
> > minutes ahead of the
> >
> > >> slower boat. If that boat has a 6 second per
> mile
> > rating advantage
> > due
> > >> to a fixed prop, he only gains 90 seconds or
> 1.5
> > minutes when
> > >> corrected. Generally speaking, the lighter the
> > air, the greater the
> > >> benefit of a folding prop. We raced 'AROBAN'
> > successfully for several
> >
> > >> years with a Gori two-blade folder and took
> first
> > in class in last
> > >> October's Columbus Day Regatta which is South
> > Florida's largest
> > annual
> > >> sailboat race.
> > >> The C320 is a capable racer especially when
> > tweaked and sailed for
> > >> optimum speed.
> > >>
> > >> Peter Clancy
> > >> 'AROBAN' #222 (former owner)
> > >> Miami, FL
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Origi nal Message ----- From: Joe
> > >> Barrett<mailto:joe at dolphinmortgage.com> To:
> > >> 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August
> > >> 21, 2007 9:19 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If going from a fixed to a feathering/folding
> > prop gains you 1/2-3/4
> > >> knot of
> > >> speed do the math. The 6 seconds you loose
> makes
> > getting a
> > >> feathering/folding prop a no brainer.
> > >> Joe Barrett
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From:
> > >>
> >
>
c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.o
> > rg>
> > >>
> > >> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On
> > Behalf Of chris denny
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:05 AM
> > >> To: C320-List
> > >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
> > >>
> > >> If a folder is that much help, why does
> > having a fixed prop get
> > >> you just 6
> > >> seconds on your adjusted PHRF?
> > >> CD #328
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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