[C320-list] Club Racing the C320

Tue Aug 28 18:49:33 PDT 2007

I toast everything you say.  Wonderfully put.

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of pat reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:34 AM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320

all things being relative, I can enjoy cruising  even
though it is not a circumnavigation, I can enjoy
racing even though it is not an America Cup Boat and I
can enjoy Lake Michigan even if it is not San
Francisco Bay (the last I do miss most of all) 
Imagination!!  Beer is universal, it can be consumed
anytime.

Pat R

--- Adam Weiner <esquirecatering at rcn.com> wrote:

> Nice.  That is true.  But if you were serious about
> racing, wouldn't you
> buy a race boat?  Let's take it one step further:
> is there beer
> consumed before or during the race?
> 
> Adam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of pat reynolds
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:18 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
> 
> 
> All racing is serious!
> 
> --- Adam Weiner <esquirecatering at rcn.com> wrote:
> 
> > I only have one question:  If you want to race
> > seriously then what in
> > the hell are you doing with a Catalina 320?
> Notice
> > I didn't respond to
> > the comment about me?
> > 
> > Adam
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On
> Behalf Of Scott Thompson
> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:03 PM
> > To: C320-List
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
> > 
> > 
> > Because the rules are made by serious racers, and
> no
> > serious racer wants
> > 
> > a rule change that would generally make it better
> to
> > have a slower
> > sailing boat.  Few racers, even on San Francisco
> > Bay, share Adam's
> > rapture about the the benefits of using a fixed
> prop
> > as a brake!  The
> > rules are thus biased in favor of racing gear over
> > cruising gear, and no
> > 
> > one believes that they equalize all boats.  If
> > that's what you are after
> > 
> > switch to a strict one design class and get out of
> > PHRF.
> > 
> > For what it's worth, I believe that folding props
> > are faster than
> > feathering ones, and if you really want to race successfully you 
> > will do
> > 
> > better with a small two-bladed folder that folds
> > into a really compact
> > and streamlined package (e.g. the nicer Martec)
> than
> > with any other
> > prop.  On the other hand, if you are really that
> > serious about racing 
> > then the 320 isn't a very good choice of boat in
> the
> > first place.  I
> > love to cruise my 320 and I love to race.  But I
> > race boats that are 
> > designed for speed, not cruising comfort.
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > chris denny wrote:
> > > If it is generally accepted that a folder is
> that
> > much of a benefit,
> > > why
> > > is the allowance for a fixed prop not greater? I
> > thought the idea was
> > to
> > > make things "equal".  Is 6 seconds the "standard
> > addition" for a fixed
> > 
> > > prop?
> > > cd #328
> > > Peter Clancy wrote:
> > > 
> > >> Casual racers may underestimate the value of
> > relatively small speed
> > >> improvements.
> > >>
> > >> For example, assume a course is 15 nautical
> miles
> > long. If you have a
> > >> modest 1/2 knot per mile speed advantage (with
> a
> > folding prop) over
> > an
> > >> identical boat with a fixed prop and you
> average
> > 6.5 knots, by the
> > >> time you reach the finish  you'll be at least
> 10
> > minutes ahead of the
> > 
> > >> slower boat. If that boat has a 6 second per
> mile
> > rating advantage
> > due
> > >> to a fixed prop, he only gains 90 seconds or
> 1.5
> > minutes when
> > >> corrected. Generally speaking, the lighter the
> > air, the greater the
> > >> benefit of a folding prop. We raced 'AROBAN'
> > successfully for several
> > 
> > >> years with a Gori two-blade folder and took
> first
> > in class in last
> > >> October's Columbus Day Regatta which is South
> > Florida's largest
> > annual
> > >> sailboat race.
> > >> The C320 is a capable racer especially when
> > tweaked and sailed for
> > >> optimum speed.
> > >>
> > >> Peter Clancy
> > >> 'AROBAN' #222 (former owner)
> > >> Miami, FL
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  ----- Origi nal Message -----  From: Joe
> > >> Barrett<mailto:joe at dolphinmortgage.com>  To: 
> > >> 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August
> > >> 21, 2007 9:19 AM
> > >>  Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  If going from a fixed to a feathering/folding
> > prop gains you 1/2-3/4
> > >> knot of
> > >>  speed do the math. The 6 seconds you loose
> makes
> > getting a
> > >>  feathering/folding prop a no brainer.
> > >>  Joe Barrett
> > >>
> > >>  -----Original Message-----
> > >>  From:
> > >>
> >
>
c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.o
> > rg> 
> > >>
> > >>  [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On
> > Behalf Of chris denny
> > >>  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:05 AM
> > >>  To: C320-List
> > >>  Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
> > >>
> > >>     If a folder is that much help, why does
> > having a fixed prop get
> > >> you just 6
> > >>  seconds on your adjusted PHRF?
> > >>  CD #328
> > >>
> > >>  
> > >>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>        
>
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