[C320-list] Club Racing the C320

Tue Aug 28 19:02:56 PDT 2007

There's a port list?
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Regards,
OD

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Weiner" [esquirecatering at rcn.com]
Sent: 08/28/2007 06:48 PM
To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Cc: straum_rpi at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320

Actually, we removed the head and holding tank (saves weight) but that
really increased the port list so we replaced with a beer keg cooler
with keg inside tapped on deck.  No port list, and if there is no one
cares.

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Dave Moores
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:09 AM
To: 'C320-List'
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320

Beer after, also wine...but we carry the beer in cans to save weight.
That makes it a race boat in my book!

Dave M

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Adam Weiner
Sent: August 28, 2007 12:12 AM
To: 'C320-List'
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320

Nice.  That is true.  But if you were serious about racing, wouldn't you
buy a race boat?  Let's take it one step further:  is there beer
consumed before or during the race?

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of pat reynolds
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:18 PM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320

All racing is serious!

--- Adam Weiner <esquirecatering at rcn.com> wrote:

> I only have one question:  If you want to race
> seriously then what in
> the hell are you doing with a Catalina 320?  Notice
> I didn't respond to
> the comment about me?
> 
> Adam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Scott Thompson
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:03 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
> 
> 
> Because the rules are made by serious racers, and no
> serious racer wants
> 
> a rule change that would generally make it better to
> have a slower
> sailing boat.  Few racers, even on San Francisco
> Bay, share Adam's
> rapture about the the benefits of using a fixed prop
> as a brake!  The
> rules are thus biased in favor of racing gear over
> cruising gear, and no
> 
> one believes that they equalize all boats.  If
> that's what you are after
> 
> switch to a strict one design class and get out of
> PHRF.
> 
> For what it's worth, I believe that folding props
> are faster than
> feathering ones, and if you really want to race
> successfully you will do
> 
> better with a small two-bladed folder that folds
> into a really compact
> and streamlined package (e.g. the nicer Martec) than
> with any other
> prop.  On the other hand, if you are really that
> serious about racing
> then the 320 isn't a very good choice of boat in the
> first place.  I 
> love to cruise my 320 and I love to race.  But I
> race boats that are 
> designed for speed, not cruising comfort.
> 
> Scott
> 
> chris denny wrote:
> > If it is generally accepted that a folder is that
> much of a benefit,
> > why
> > is the allowance for a fixed prop not greater? I
> thought the idea was
> to
> > make things "equal".  Is 6 seconds the "standard
> addition" for a fixed
> 
> > prop?
> > cd #328
> > Peter Clancy wrote:
> > 
> >> Casual racers may underestimate the value of
> relatively small speed
> >> improvements.
> >>
> >> For example, assume a course is 15 nautical miles
> long. If you have a
> >> modest 1/2 knot per mile speed advantage (with a
> folding prop) over
> an
> >> identical boat with a fixed prop and you average
> 6.5 knots, by the
> >> time you reach the finish  you'll be at least 10
> minutes ahead of the
> 
> >> slower boat. If that boat has a 6 second per mile
> rating advantage
> due
> >> to a fixed prop, he only gains 90 seconds or 1.5
> minutes when
> >> corrected. Generally speaking, the lighter the
> air, the greater the
> >> benefit of a folding prop. We raced 'AROBAN'
> successfully for several
> 
> >> years with a Gori two-blade folder and took first
> in class in last
> >> October's Columbus Day Regatta which is South
> Florida's largest
> annual
> >> sailboat race.
> >> The C320 is a capable racer especially when
> tweaked and sailed for
> >> optimum speed.
> >>
> >> Peter Clancy
> >> 'AROBAN' #222 (former owner)
> >> Miami, FL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  ----- Origi nal Message -----  From: Joe 
> >> Barrett<mailto:joe at dolphinmortgage.com>  To: 
> >> 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August
> >> 21, 2007 9:19 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
> >>
> >>
> >>  If going from a fixed to a feathering/folding
> prop gains you 1/2-3/4
> >> knot of
> >>  speed do the math. The 6 seconds you loose makes
> getting a
> >>  feathering/folding prop a no brainer.
> >>  Joe Barrett
> >>
> >>  -----Original Message-----
> >>  From:
> >>
>
c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.o
> rg> 
> >>
> >>  [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On
> Behalf Of chris denny
> >>  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:05 AM
> >>  To: C320-List
> >>  Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
> >>
> >>     If a folder is that much help, why does
> having a fixed prop get
> >> you just 6
> >>  seconds on your adjusted PHRF?
> >>  CD #328
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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