[C320-list] Comments on older C320 "floors"

Bruce Heyman BruceHeyman at cox.net
Sun Feb 11 16:40:32 PST 2007 

Rod,
What you are describing sounds exactly like what I am seeing.  Since I found
the plumbing leak that was keeping the bilge wet it should start to dry out.
I've been running the AC in heat mode so it should be pretty dry in the boat
and maybe the darkening will go away.
Thanks,
Bruce
Somerset 671 SoCal

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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Comments on older C320 "floors"

Hi Bruce,

The panels that are over the bilge area of the boat have a thin layer of 
plastic laminated to the bottom.  The panel that is just forward of 
compression post has the plastic covering and a substantial amount of the 
thickness of the wood removed in the area of the dark spot.  Mine has been 
home for a couple of months and the dark spot has not gone away.  I am 
guessing that the discoloration is caused by water vapor absorbed from the 
bilge area.  I hope this helps.  Thanks.

Rod
Odyssey, #688

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
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Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Comments on older C320 "floors"


> Tony,
> I bought the Ultimate Sole kit, solvent, sealer and finish with the 
> intention of redoing the sole on our Sabre 30.  We were fortunately able 
> to upgrade to our C320 before I had/got to do the work.  Everyone on the 
> Sabre list swore by the stuff.  With all but bare feet they claimed that 
> even when wet it provided fantastic footing and the gloss was to die for. 
> I still have the kit and may tackle the job once I get a few other things 
> done.  I wonder if I have a mildew problem in one of the panels.  There is

> a 2"x6" rectangular area a couple of inches in front of the compression 
> post on the panel that covers the bilge.  It almost looks like it was 
> burnt but the surface is still smooth and glossy.  Is this similar to what

> you saw?
> Also did you do the companion way steps?
> Thanks,
> Bruce
> Somerset 671 SoCal
>
> ---- amshd2 at aol.com wrote:
>> Jon
>>
>> I have hull#30.  I refinished the sole last winter.  My table base came 
>> off with out any effort.
>>
>> I took the whole sole home and first stripped it using Dads stripper and 
>> a plastic scraper Dads is the best chemical stripper I have ever used 
>> stuff worked great.  This really helped to make the job go much faster 
>> and left a great surface to work with.  I used the cleaner that comes 
>> from Ultimate Sole to clean the sole before and after sanding.  I also 
>> used wood bleach to get out most of the black stain around the screw 
>> holes.  And yes be careful not to send to hard.
>>
>> I used the Ultimate Sole product.  It came out great easy to put on with 
>> little to no sanding between coats. The stuff also dry's fast.  I could 
>> not believe how great it came out.  The stuff has a anti slip agent in it

>> and it does work.   The guys at Ultimate Sole were great to work with I 
>> called them a couple of times and got some great pointers.
>>
>> Now 2-3 people in my marina are going to use the stuff.
>>
>> I highly  recommend the stuff.
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jonvez at comcast.net
>> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
>> Sent: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 7:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Comments on older C320 "floors"
>>
>>
>> Thanks Bill...greatly appreciate it! Didn't know what was on the other 
>> side of
>> those bolts....
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> From: Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com>
>>
>> > Jon,
>> >
>> > Just remove the six largeish screws encircling the conical base of the 
>> > table
>> and
>> > lift the whole thing out. I sent you 3 photos offline from when did 
>> > this two
>> > years ago. I took all the floor pieces home so that Kathy could 
>> > refinish them.
>>
>> >
>> > -bill
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ---- 
>> > From: "jonvez at comcast.net"
>> > To: C320-List
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:48:27 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Comments on older C320 "floors"
>> >
>> >
>> > For those who have removed the base of the table, are there any tips or
>> tricks?
>> > I want to pull of my floor boards but have avoided this area as I 
>> > haven't been
>>
>> > able to determine the best way to get the base off...Thanks in 
>> > advance...
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Jon Vez
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> > From: "Warren Updike"
>> >
>> > > In this context, I use the word "floor" to mean that area under the 
>> > > sole
>> while
>> > > the wood surface that is walked on is, well, the cabin sole. I 
>> > > learned this
>> > > somewhre, I forget where. Anyway, last winter I removed the entire 
>> > > sole to
>> > > refinish it at home. This gave an excellent opportunity to check all 
>> > > the
>> bilge
>> > > spaces in the "floor."
>> > >
>> > > As our #62 is among the oldest C320s, I can't say when the floor/sole

>> > > design
>>
>> > > changed; but, change it did. I used the diagram obtained from the 
>> > > document
>> on
>> > > our website, and marked all the places where there is a drain from 
>> > > one space
>>
>> > to
>> > > another, and each of the rubber plugs in the stringers.
>> > >
>> > > For those who have the new floor/sole, On "Warr De Mar," after 
>> > > removing the
>> > > wood sole, there are a number of bilge spaces created by the 
>> > > stringers that
>> > run
>> > > athwart-ship. Some are enclosed by fore-aft plates epoxied between 
>> > > the
>> > > stringers. Some of these "bilges" or chambers have a tube or limber 
>> > > hole to
>> > > drain into the next bilge space. Some do not. The plugs in the 
>> > > stringers are
>>
>> > > after-market mods to allow any water to be drained from within the
>> stringers.
>> > >
>> > > The speedo on these olders hulls is directly under the 2-drawer 
>> > > cabinet in
>> the
>> > > V-berth. To remove it, I pull the cabinet to get close to reasonable 
>> > > access
>> to
>> > > the speedo. Even so, it is so unwieldy working in this space that 
>> > > fully one
>> or
>> > > two cups of water invariably enter the boat. So, before I undertake 
>> > > to
>> remove
>> > > the speedo, I first plug and tape the drain tube to the next bilge 
>> > > space
>> then
>> > > remove the accumulated water when I'm done. If any moves past the 
>> > > taped
>> plug,
>> > > it goes into the space under the sole in the V-berth and then into 
>> > > the space
>>
>> > > immediately aft of the bulkhead. That space has no drain pipe. I find

>> > > it
>> > > necessary to pull that part of the sole to check.
>> > >
>> > > Under the table in the salon, behind the mast, there are two bilge 
>> > > spaces
>> that
>> > > have no drain and no plug in the stringer. Before I refinished the 
>> > > sole,
>> there
>> > > was water in there forever that contributed to the buildup of mildew 
>> > > under
>> the
>> > > sole. The mildew had migrated into the wood of the sole and runined 
>> > > the
>> finish
>> > > hence the refinishing of the sole. But, that's anothe story. Now, we 
>> > > check
>> > > this space twice a year by pulling the table out with the base on and
>> viewing
>> > in
>> > > the bilge space. This fall, we found about a cup of water between the

>> > > two
>> > space
>> > > with no clue to it's source.
>> > >
>> > > Between the bilge space with the pump immediately fwd of the galley 
>> > > deck on
>> > > centerline, there is a plug in the fwd-aft place separating this 
>> > > space and
>> the
>> > > one to port that is between the galley space and the pump space. The 
>> > > way
>> this
>> > > hole was drilled through the fillets, it opened access to the space 
>> > > between
>> > the
>> > > stringers. No matter how I try, I don't seem to be able to make this
>> > > water-tight with the rubber plug. Next spring I plan to tape it with 
>> > > outdoor
>>
>> > > duct tape. I intend to keep bilge water in the bilge. If anyone has a
>> similar
>> > > experience and can offer a better solution, I surely would appreciate
>> hearing
>> > > it.
>> > >
>> > > Now, if I can get a few consecutive days of stay-at-home weather, 
>> > > I'll post
>> my
>> > > sole refinish story on the 320 website along with the Hurth Shop 
>> > > Manual that
>>
>> > > covers all of the Hurth gears.
>> > >
>> > > Warren & Pattie Updike
>> > > C320, #62, 1994, "Warr De Mar"
>> > > Frog Mortar Creek, Middle River
>> > > Chesapeake Bay
>> >
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