[C320-list] Frustrated with the Dutchman system

[Kirk McCullough]

I've never used the Dutchman (derigged it shortly after I bought the boat) 
or lazy jacks or anything. I drop the sail and flake it by hand. It works 
everytime and simplifies the rigging and the sail cover doesn't need slits, 
and I use the topping lift for other duties when I need it. In the meantime 
the topping lift is cleated at the mast.

Kirk McCullough
Boomerang #124
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Wes.Giles at averydennison.com>
To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Frustrated with the Dutchman system


> OK. time for my $.02 worth on this. I remember vividly trying to lower a
> sail and flaking it without the Dutchman system. It wasn't a lot of fun.
> I've never used any other system. I agree with Bill, when it is set up
> correctly and the sail track is lubed the sail drops like a guillotine and
> is flaked correctly. Do you have to ensure that everything is positioned
> correctly? Absolutely.
>
> All that said, you like what you like, and you don't like what you don't
> like.
>
> Nuff said, I'm goin' sailing.
>
> Wes
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> "K L" <sfca33 at hotmail.com>
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> Bill:
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> You have a good point but the thing that separates the Dutchman from an
> engine alignment is that the Dutchman is designed to save time. It is
> optional, not required. My point is that a system designed to save time
> must
> do so otherwise it is flawed. So far it has not saved me time but I am
> willing to invest more effort to try to get it right with the hope that it
>
> will save me time in the long run.
>
> Ken
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>>From: Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com>
>>Reply-To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>>To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] Frustrated with the Dutchman system
>>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:32:24 -0800 (PST)
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>>FWIW, my view is that just because a system takes a long time to learn to
>
>>use correctly doesn't mean to me that it is an inferior system.  Or just
>>because a system takes a significant effort to adjust correctly doesn't
>>mean it is flawed.  Take engine alignment for example.  Takes a long time
>
>>to get it right.  Is something wrong because of that, no.
>>
>>All systems have trade offs.  If my choice were between something which
>>took a good long while to get initially set up or to learn but worked
> like
>>a champ each and every time I needed after I'd spent that effort, I'd
> pick
>>that system over one which was easy to set up and had problems each time
> I
>>used it. But others could easily see the same trade offs and make the
>>different choice.  That's fine with me - their choice.  I kept my
>>traditional packing gland and use GFO packing with great success.  Others
>
>>have said, "forget that nonsense" and switched to the PSI dripless shaft
>>seal.  Both seem like fine approaches to me.
>>
>>  -bill culbertson
>>  Harmony #859
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>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: K L <sfca33 at hotmail.com>
>>To: c320-list at catalina320.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:17:53 PM
>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] Frustrated with the Dutchman system
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>>It has been interesting to read the varied opinions on the Dutchman.
> People
>>seem to love it or hate it.
>>
>>Darrell said that a switch to a swivel block made it worse (or at least
> not
>>better) while Warren  reports that the swivel block solved the problem.
> I’m
>>going to swap the block I have for a swivel block and give that a try.
>>
>>Lots of people said that they scrapped the system or are about to while
>>Jeff
>>said that after a year he figured out how to use it efficiently. Someone
>>else suggested a video.
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>>What is clear to me is that a hell of a lot of man hours have been spent
> in
>>trying to get the system to work the way it should. If a system takes a
>>year
>>to figure out and/or requires special training with a video, then I
> wonder
>>if it's a good system. It seems to me that it should be easier.
>>
>>One can’t help but wonder if all those man hours spend trying to get the
>>Dutchman to work is more or fewer than the hours that would have been
> spent
>>flaking the sail with lazy jacks.
>>
>>I have had both systems. For me, the total time working with the sail
> seems
>>to be about the same. But the difference is that with the Dutchman the
> time
>>is spent in frustration.
>>
>>Ken Danko
>>#802, Grace
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