[C320-list] Frustrated with the Dutchman system

[K L]

Wes:

What do you use to lubricate your track?

Ken Danko
#802, Grace


>From: Wes.Giles at averydennison.com
>Reply-To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>Subject: Re: [C320-list] Frustrated with the Dutchman system
>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:42:56 -0800
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>OK. time for my $.02 worth on this. I remember vividly trying to lower a
>sail and flaking it without the Dutchman system. It wasn't a lot of fun.
>I've never used any other system. I agree with Bill, when it is set up
>correctly and the sail track is lubed the sail drops like a guillotine and
>is flaked correctly. Do you have to ensure that everything is positioned
>correctly? Absolutely.
>
>All that said, you like what you like, and you don't like what you don't
>like.
>
>Nuff said, I'm goin' sailing.
>
>Wes
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>"K L" <sfca33 at hotmail.com>
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>Bill:
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>You have a good point but the thing that separates the Dutchman from an
>engine alignment is that the Dutchman is designed to save time. It is
>optional, not required. My point is that a system designed to save time
>must
>do so otherwise it is flawed. So far it has not saved me time but I am
>willing to invest more effort to try to get it right with the hope that it
>
>will save me time in the long run.
>
>Ken
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> >From: Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> >To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> >Subject: Re: [C320-list] Frustrated with the Dutchman system
> >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:32:24 -0800 (PST)
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> >FWIW, my view is that just because a system takes a long time to learn to
>
> >use correctly doesn't mean to me that it is an inferior system.  Or just
> >because a system takes a significant effort to adjust correctly doesn't
> >mean it is flawed.  Take engine alignment for example.  Takes a long time
>
> >to get it right.  Is something wrong because of that, no.
> >
> >All systems have trade offs.  If my choice were between something which
> >took a good long while to get initially set up or to learn but worked
>like
> >a champ each and every time I needed after I'd spent that effort, I'd
>pick
> >that system over one which was easy to set up and had problems each time
>I
> >used it. But others could easily see the same trade offs and make the
> >different choice.  That's fine with me - their choice.  I kept my
> >traditional packing gland and use GFO packing with great success.  Others
>
> >have said, "forget that nonsense" and switched to the PSI dripless shaft
> >seal.  Both seem like fine approaches to me.
> >
> >  -bill culbertson
> >  Harmony #859
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: K L <sfca33 at hotmail.com>
> >To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:17:53 PM
> >Subject: Re: [C320-list] Frustrated with the Dutchman system
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> >
> >It has been interesting to read the varied opinions on the Dutchman.
>People
> >seem to love it or hate it.
> >
> >Darrell said that a switch to a swivel block made it worse (or at least
>not
> >better) while Warren  reports that the swivel block solved the problem.
>I’m
> >going to swap the block I have for a swivel block and give that a try.
> >
> >Lots of people said that they scrapped the system or are about to while
> >Jeff
> >said that after a year he figured out how to use it efficiently. Someone
> >else suggested a video.
> >
> >What is clear to me is that a hell of a lot of man hours have been spent
>in
> >trying to get the system to work the way it should. If a system takes a
> >year
> >to figure out and/or requires special training with a video, then I
>wonder
> >if it's a good system. It seems to me that it should be easier.
> >
> >One can’t help but wonder if all those man hours spend trying to get 
>the
> >Dutchman to work is more or fewer than the hours that would have been
>spent
> >flaking the sail with lazy jacks.
> >
> >I have had both systems. For me, the total time working with the sail
>seems
> >to be about the same. But the difference is that with the Dutchman the
>time
> >is spent in frustration.
> >
> >Ken Danko
> >#802, Grace
> >
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