[C320-list] draft/bilge
Jim DeLong
jdelong3 at neo.rr.com
Fri Mar 2 05:53:59 PST 2007
OK....
I'm almost there! I've never been on another 320, so how do I know if I
have the shallow or deep bilge? How deep are each at the keel bolts? Knowing
this and which style wing I have will give me a definitive answer on draft.
Thanks! Jim
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> 7. Re: Bottom Prep question (Kirk McCullough)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:10:48 +0000
> From: jonvez at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
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> Joe,
>
> I suspect we boutght are boats from the same place--Eastern?? I have #582
> which is also a '99. Micron Extra has worked very well for me here in
> Boston--a multi season ablative/copolymer...
>
> I am hoping to avoid the barrier coat route, but I may not have a
> choice....
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Joseph A Tamucci" <jtamucci at comcast.net>
>
>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new
>> from the dealer in 1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current
>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I
>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they
>> actually
>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need to
>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have
>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom scrub
>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own
>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.
>>
>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast
>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and
>> running
>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. We're
>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005
>> in
>> Newport.
>>
>> Joe Tamucci
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:26:20 -0500
> From: "Russell and Kathleen Vance" <vances105 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2
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> Hello All,
> We are a bit confused by the draft questions. We purchased a 1997 C320 in
> March of last year. The hull number is 407. We thought the draft was
> 4'4"
> (wing keel). Now we are not sure. I've sent an inquiry to Catalina
> Customer Service, but would like to hear from someone who has a hull
> number
> close to ours.
> thanks!
> Kathleen Vance
> #407
> Shadowfax
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:29:52 -0500
> From: "David Cardoza" <dave at avaloncon.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] testing
> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID:
> <000001c75c27$390b99d0$4614500a at Americas.missionenergy.com>
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> I needed to change my email service so just a test
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:13:28 -0500
> From: "Chris Holt" <oldman1030 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2
> To: "Russell and Kathleen Vance" <vances105 at earthlink.net>,
> "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
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> I have hull #447 and although I have not measured it myself I'm pretty
> sure
> it is 4'10".
> If I compare my keel to the photos my wing keel looks like the right hand
> picture.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell and Kathleen Vance" <vances105 at earthlink.net>
> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2
>
>> Hello All,
>> We are a bit confused by the draft questions. We purchased a 1997 C320
>> in
>> March of last year. The hull number is 407. We thought the draft was
>> 4'4" (wing keel). Now we are not sure. I've sent an inquiry to Catalina
>> Customer Service, but would like to hear from someone who has a hull
>> number close to ours.
>> thanks!
>> Kathleen Vance
>> #407
>> Shadowfax
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:34:18 +0000
> From: alahlm at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2
> To: Russell and Kathleen Vance <vances105 at earthlink.net>, C320-List
> <c320-list at catalina320.com>
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> have hull #476 wing keel 4' 10.5" ---also went the barrier coat route
> Al Ahlman
> #476
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Russell and Kathleen Vance" <vances105 at earthlink.net>
>
>> Hello All,
>> We are a bit confused by the draft questions. We purchased a 1997 C320 in
>> March of last year. The hull number is 407. We thought the draft was 4'4"
>> (wing keel). Now we are not sure. I've sent an inquiry to Catalina
>> Customer Service, but would like to hear from someone who has a hull
>> number
>> close to ours.
>> thanks!
>> Kathleen Vance
>> #407
>> Shadowfax
>>
>>
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:54:04 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/) " <kmielen at iwon.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] FW: Re: C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
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>
> If you have the deeper bilge, you will have the deeper draft.
>
> I believe the change to the deeper bilge was made at approx. hull#246 in
> 1995, so I'm sure you're draft is really 4'-10". The Catalina specs were
> not updated promptly and I'd wager that few surveyors actually make a
> measurement.
>
>
>
> Karl Mielenhausen
>
> 2000 C320 Hull#690 "Silver Lining"
>
> New Bern, NC
>
> http://pages.suddenlink.net/kmielen/
>
> From: Russell and Kathleen Vance [mailto: vances105 at earthlink.net]
>
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
>
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:26:20 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2
>
>
>
> Hello All,We are a bit confused by the draft questions. We purchased a
> 1997 C320 in March of last year. The hull number is 407. We thought the
> draft was 4'4" (wing keel). Now we are not sure. I've sent an inquiry to
> Catalina Customer Service, but would like to hear from someone who has a
> hull number close to ours.thanks!Kathleen Vance#407Shadowfax
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:58:57 -0800
> From: "Kirk McCullough" <kirk.mccullough at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question
> To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
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> Jon
>
> The paint on my boat fell off clear down to the bare gel coat too. But
> this
> happened 3 or 4 years after the boat was first launched . There had never
> been a problem previous to this. Eventually after 3 seasons of hauling and
> bottom painting, all the old paint came off and the bottom paint adhered
> properly.
>
> We use Micron CSC (think that's the one) and we found out that the
> previous
> owner was using a different brand. As I say, the "different brand"
> eventually all fell off.
>
>
> Kirk
> Boomerang #124
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jonvez at comcast.net>
> To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question
>
>
>> Kirk,
>>
>> I've been using an ablative/copolymer since the boat was new. Since the
>> paint falls off the bare fiberglass, I'm fairly certain the root cause
>> was
>> lousy commissioning--I did go back to my broker a couple of seasons ago,
>> but they were no help....
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Kirk McCullough" <kirk.mccullough at telus.net>
>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> What you describe happened to us shortly after we got our boat. The old
>>> paint came off easily, on the roller and once the new paint was on the
>>> old
>>> paint underneath released, flaking off the old and the new together. The
>>> yard explained this as a bottom paint incompatibility. Do you know if
>>> you
>>> are using a compatible bottom paint?
>>>
>>> Kirk
>>> Boomerang #124
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> To: "320 List"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:32 AM
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question
>>>
>>>
>>> > When my boat was commissioned the broker did a lousy job of prepping
>>> > the
>>> > hull for bottom paint. I've been struggling with this ever since. The
>>> > most
>>> > frustrating part is when putting a new coat on, the old paint comes
>>> > off
>>> > with the roller.
>>> > There has been discussion recently around Vinylester and its
>>> > properties
>>> > (I
>>> > have a hull with Vinylester) and I would appreciate some input on a
>>> > paint
>>> > removal system I found at the New England boat show and if anyone is
>>> > familiar with them. They use a volcanic ash type media with hot
>>> > water--it
>>> > is a 'green company', but I am concerned with creating a more
>>> > significant
>>> > problem in trying to fix the bottom paint problem (compromising the
>>> > hull).
>>> > I will be calling Catalina to get there input, but wanted to see if
>>> > anyone
>>> > else had any insight. The company is the Farrow System and can be
>>> > found
>>> > at
>>> > www.stripitclean.com
>>> >
>>> > Thanks in advance
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Jon Vez
>>> >
>>> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:03:17 -0800
> From: "Kirk McCullough" <kirk.mccullough at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
> To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
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> Joe
>
> Bottomkote is the least expensive of the Interlux range of bottom paints.
> The Micron CSC or Micron Extra will last 2 seasons or more. I put on 2
> coats of CSC and can easily get 2 years out here on the west coast.
>
> Kirk McCullough
> Boomerang #124
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph A Tamucci" <jtamucci at comcast.net>
> To: "C320 LIST POST" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
>
>
>>I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new
>> from the dealer in 1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current
>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I
>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they
>> actually
>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need
>> to
>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have
>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom
>> scrub
>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own
>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.
>>
>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast
>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and
>> running
>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport.
>> We're
>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005
>> in
>> Newport.
>>
>> Joe Tamucci
>>
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:55:47 -0500
> From: "Jim DeLong" <jdelong3 at neo.rr.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Draft again
> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>
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> Now that this subject of draft has come up again...
>
> When did the draft go from 4'3" to 4'10"? I have an old brochure that
> shows
> 4'3", while currents one shows 4'4".
>
> I have the old wing design (hull 453), but I think the shallow bilge. It
> is
> only 6" or so deep. I don't know if 453 is 4'3", 4'10", or 4'4"????
>
> Jim DeLong
>
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>> 1. Re: Sail number, Draft and Association (Bill Culbertson)
>> 2. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joseph A Tamucci)
>> 3. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joe Barrett)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 05:37:35 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
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>> The keel comparison photos are:
>>
>> http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album41&id=Keels
>>
>> Brian - do you have a photo of your boat that might show the keel (since
>> it's not April yet you can't look in person, right)? The older one
>> having
>> the wings starting nearly half-way back is the best way to quickly tell
>> which you have.
>>
>> -bill
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:29:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize it was that close to mine. I
>> wonder if we can get this info posted in conjunction with the keel photo
>> comparisons. (If it isn't already).
>>
>>
>> Chris Burti
>> "Commitment"
>> Catalina 320, #867,
>> Farmville, NC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jeff Church <jjemail at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> I think Karl is correct. According to someone I spoke to at Catalina,
>> they
>> started using the 310 keel at hull #847. Brian's boat should have the
>> older keel with a draft of 4' 10".
>>
>> JeffC
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Chris Burti
>> To: C320-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> You are correct, your sail number/hull number will be 797
>>
>> Your surveyor did not measure your hull, rather took a shortcut and
>> pulled the specification from some literature or even the Catalina
>> website. Lot of misinformation printed and available on that.
>>
>> Your draft is 4' 4" and the change to using the 310 wing keel on the 320
>> from which the shallower draft is derived occurred prior to 2001. I
>> measured mine while on the hard and there are some comparative pictures
>> on
>> the association site which I believe also state when the change occurred.
>> Note; the obvious question of whether the rudder was modifed to match was
>> answered in the affirmative in that discussion as well.
>>
>>
>> Chris Burti
>> "Commitment"
>> Catalina 320, #867,
>> Farmville, NC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Amirault Family <amiraults at sympatico.ca>
>> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:29:03 PM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> Yesterday I became the owner of a 2001 C320. Can't say much about her as
>> I have yet to see her and likely won't until April when she is shipped
>> from the US to Ottawa. I have to thank Dick Walker (who spent time on
>> the phone discussing ownership) and Dave Moores (who went to the trouble
>> to speak with me at the 2007 January Toronto Boat Show and also brought
>> along a DVD of a 'round the lake race in which he participated and did
>> well) for aiding me in selecting the C320. I'm happy to be here.
>>
>> These are the first two of what will likely be many issues.
>>
>> I was expecting the draft to be 4'4''. My survey states the draft to be
>> 4'10''. I know that there was rise and fall in draft over time, but can
>> someone definitively state when the change back to 4'4'' took place?
>>
>> Secondly, I would like to join the association before I take possession
>> of the boat as it will likely pay back the investment as did my
>> subscription to Practical Sailor before I bought my first boat. The
>> problem is the information required as part of the application. Never
>> having seen my sails I cannot supply the sail number. I do have the
>> surveyor's statement of serial number and I assume that the hull/sail
>> number is hidden there as it is for my Tanzer. Could someone provide a
>> breakdown of the meaning of CTYC0797G001? I suspect that I have sail
>> number 797, but would appreciate confirmation.
>>
>> Brian Amirault
>> 2001 #?
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:50:13 -0500
>> From: "Joseph A Tamucci" <jtamucci at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
>> To: "C320 LIST POST" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <003201c75c21$aefc8790$6701a8c0 at D4SYL511>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new
>> from the dealer in 1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current
>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I
>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they
>> actually
>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need
>> to
>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have
>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom
>> scrub
>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own
>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.
>>
>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast
>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and
>> running
>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport.
>> We're
>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005
>> in
>> Newport.
>>
>> Joe Tamucci
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:54:52 -0500
>> From: "Joe Barrett" <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
>> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <051301c75c22$5529ba70$6701a8c0 at Joe>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi Joe, where do you moor your boat?
>> Joe Barrett
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Joseph A Tamucci
>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:50 AM
>> To: C320 LIST POST
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
>>
>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new
>> from the dealer in 1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current
>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I
>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they
>> actually
>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need
>> to
>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have
>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom
>> scrub
>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own
>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.
>>
>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast
>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and
>> running
>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport.
>> We're
>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005
>> in
>> Newport.
>>
>> Joe Tamucci
>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:13:42 -0800
> From: "Richard A. Walker" <dickwalker at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Draft again
> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <000e01c75c4e$e00d7010$5eb3fea9 at D53ZJN31>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hull 355, (I think) is when the change over from shallow bilge to deep
> took
> place.
>
> Cheers,
> ?
> Dick Walker
> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
> 740 Olive Ave.
> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
> 619.435.8986
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeLong
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:56 PM
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Draft again
>
> Now that this subject of draft has come up again...
>
> When did the draft go from 4'3" to 4'10"? I have an old brochure that
> shows
> 4'3", while currents one shows 4'4".
>
> I have the old wing design (hull 453), but I think the shallow bilge. It
> is
>
> only 6" or so deep. I don't know if 453 is 4'3", 4'10", or 4'4"????
>
> Jim DeLong
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:00 PM
> Subject: C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2
>
>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: Sail number, Draft and Association (Bill Culbertson)
>> 2. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joseph A Tamucci)
>> 3. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joe Barrett)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 05:37:35 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <997352.84591.qm at web50914.mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> The keel comparison photos are:
>>
>>
> http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album41&id=K
> eels
>>
>> Brian - do you have a photo of your boat that might show the keel (since
>> it's not April yet you can't look in person, right)? The older one
>> having
>
>> the wings starting nearly half-way back is the best way to quickly tell
>> which you have.
>>
>> -bill
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:29:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize it was that close to mine. I
>> wonder if we can get this info posted in conjunction with the keel photo
>> comparisons. (If it isn't already).
>>
>>
>> Chris Burti
>> "Commitment"
>> Catalina 320, #867,
>> Farmville, NC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jeff Church <jjemail at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> I think Karl is correct. According to someone I spoke to at Catalina,
>> they
>
>> started using the 310 keel at hull #847. Brian's boat should have the
>> older keel with a draft of 4' 10".
>>
>> JeffC
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Chris Burti
>> To: C320-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> You are correct, your sail number/hull number will be 797
>>
>> Your surveyor did not measure your hull, rather took a shortcut and
>> pulled the specification from some literature or even the Catalina
>> website. Lot of misinformation printed and available on that.
>>
>> Your draft is 4' 4" and the change to using the 310 wing keel on the 320
>> from which the shallower draft is derived occurred prior to 2001. I
>> measured mine while on the hard and there are some comparative pictures
>> on
>
>> the association site which I believe also state when the change occurred.
>> Note; the obvious question of whether the rudder was modifed to match was
>> answered in the affirmative in that discussion as well.
>>
>>
>> Chris Burti
>> "Commitment"
>> Catalina 320, #867,
>> Farmville, NC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Amirault Family <amiraults at sympatico.ca>
>> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:29:03 PM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> Yesterday I became the owner of a 2001 C320. Can't say much about her as
>> I have yet to see her and likely won't until April when she is shipped
>> from the US to Ottawa. I have to thank Dick Walker (who spent time on
>> the phone discussing ownership) and Dave Moores (who went to the trouble
>> to speak with me at the 2007 January Toronto Boat Show and also brought
>> along a DVD of a 'round the lake race in which he participated and did
>> well) for aiding me in selecting the C320. I'm happy to be here.
>>
>> These are the first two of what will likely be many issues.
>>
>> I was expecting the draft to be 4'4''. My survey states the draft to be
>> 4'10''. I know that there was rise and fall in draft over time, but can
>> someone definitively state when the change back to 4'4'' took place?
>>
>> Secondly, I would like to join the association before I take possession
>> of the boat as it will likely pay back the investment as did my
>> subscription to Practical Sailor before I bought my first boat. The
>> problem is the information required as part of the application. Never
>> having seen my sails I cannot supply the sail number. I do have the
>> surveyor's statement of serial number and I assume that the hull/sail
>> number is hidden there as it is for my Tanzer. Could someone provide a
>> breakdown of the meaning of CTYC0797G001? I suspect that I have sail
>> number 797, but would appreciate confirmation.
>>
>> Brian Amirault
>> 2001 #?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:50:13 -0500
>> From: "Joseph A Tamucci" <jtamucci at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
>> To: "C320 LIST POST" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <003201c75c21$aefc8790$6701a8c0 at D4SYL511>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new
>> from the dealer in 1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current
>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I
>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they
>> actually
>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need
>> to
>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have
>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom
>> scrub
>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own
>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.
>>
>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast
>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and
>> running
>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport.
>> We're
>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005
>> in
>> Newport.
>>
>> Joe Tamucci
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:54:52 -0500
>> From: "Joe Barrett" <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
>> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <051301c75c22$5529ba70$6701a8c0 at Joe>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi Joe, where do you moor your boat?
>> Joe Barrett
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Joseph A Tamucci
>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:50 AM
>> To: C320 LIST POST
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
>>
>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new
>> from the dealer in 1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current
>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I
>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they
>> actually
>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need
>> to
>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have
>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom
>> scrub
>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own
>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.
>>
>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast
>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and
>> running
>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport.
>> We're
>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005
>> in
>> Newport.
>>
>> Joe Tamucci
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:57:54 -0500
> From: jimc320 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Draft again
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <8C92A7CF1E94C1E-3F0-5F78 at WEBMAIL-DF19.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Jim,
>
> I have hul 209( shallow bilge) which was supose to be 4ft 3 inch draft (as
> per brochure
> and specs) but in reality it is 4' 10". I think somone at catalina didnt
> where there glasses when they measured the draft on the early models.
> that additional 7 " has got me stuck several times.
>
>
> Jim Mills
> Elusive 2, 209
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jdelong3 at neo.rr.com
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> Sent: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 4:55 PM
> Subject: [C320-list] Draft again
>
>
> Now that this subject of draft has come up again...
>
> When did the draft go from 4'3" to 4'10"? I have an old brochure that
> shows 4'3", while currents one shows 4'4".
>
> I have the old wing design (hull 453), but I think the shallow bilge. It
> is only 6" or so deep. I don't know if 453 is 4'3", 4'10", or 4'4"????
>
> Jim DeLong
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <c320-list-request at catalina320.com>
> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:00 PM
> Subject: C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2
>
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>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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>> than "Re: Contents of C320-List digest..."
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>>
>> 1. Re: Sail number, Draft and Association (Bill Culbertson)
>> 2. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joseph A Tamucci)
>> 3. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joe Barrett)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 05:37:35 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <997352.84591.qm at web50914.mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> The keel comparison photos are:
>> > http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album41&id=Keels
>>
>> Brian - do you have a photo of your boat that might show the keel (since
>> > it's not April yet you can't look in person, right)? The older one
>> having > the wings starting nearly half-way back is the best way to
>> quickly tell > which you have.
>>
>> -bill
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:29:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize it was that close to mine. I
>> > wonder if we can get this info posted in conjunction with the keel
>> photo > comparisons. (If it isn't already).
>>
>>
>> Chris Burti
>> "Commitment"
>> Catalina 320, #867,
>> Farmville, NC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jeff Church <jjemail at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> I think Karl is correct. According to someone I spoke to at Catalina,
>> they > started using the 310 keel at hull #847. Brian's boat should have
>> the > older keel with a draft of 4' 10".
>>
>> JeffC
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Burti
>> To: C320-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> You are correct, your sail number/hull number will be 797
>>
>> Your surveyor did not measure your hull, rather took a shortcut and >
>> pulled the specification from some literature or even the Catalina >
>> website. Lot of misinformation printed and available on that.
>>
>> Your draft is 4' 4" and the change to using the 310 wing keel on the 320
>> > from which the shallower draft is derived occurred prior to 2001. I >
>> measured mine while on the hard and there are some comparative pictures
>> on > the association site which I believe also state when the change
>> occurred. > Note; the obvious question of whether the rudder was modifed
>> to match was > answered in the affirmative in that discussion as well.
>>
>>
>> Chris Burti
>> "Commitment"
>> Catalina 320, #867,
>> Farmville, NC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Amirault Family <amiraults at sympatico.ca>
>> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:29:03 PM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association
>>
>>
>> Yesterday I became the owner of a 2001 C320. Can't say much about her as
>> I have yet to see her and likely won't until April when she is shipped
>> from the US to Ottawa. I have to thank Dick Walker (who spent time on
>> the phone discussing ownership) and Dave Moores (who went to the trouble
>> to speak with me at the 2007 January Toronto Boat Show and also brought
>> along a DVD of a 'round the lake race in which he participated and did
>> well) for aiding me in selecting the C320. I'm happy to be here.
>>
>> These are the first two of what will likely be many issues.
>>
>> I was expecting the draft to be 4'4''. My survey states the draft to be
>> 4'10''. I know that there was rise and fall in draft over time, but can
>> someone definitively state when the change back to 4'4'' took place?
>>
>> Secondly, I would like to join the association before I take possession
>> of the boat as it will likely pay back the investment as did my
>> subscription to Practical Sailor before I bought my first boat. The
>> problem is the information required as part of the application. Never
>> having seen my sails I cannot supply the sail number. I do have the
>> surveyor's statement of serial number and I assume that the hull/sail
>> number is hidden there as it is for my Tanzer. Could someone provide a
>> breakdown of the meaning of CTYC0797G001? I suspect that I have sail
>> number 797, but would appreciate confirmation.
>>
>> Brian Amirault
>> 2001 #?
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:50:13 -0500
>> From: "Joseph A Tamucci" <jtamucci at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
>> To: "C320 LIST POST" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <003201c75c21$aefc8790$6701a8c0 at D4SYL511>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new
>> from the dealer in 1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current
>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I
>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they >
>> actually
>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need to
>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have
>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom scrub
>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own
>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.
>>
>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast
>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and
>> running
>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. We're
>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005
>> > in
>> Newport.
>>
>> Joe Tamucci
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:54:52 -0500
>> From: "Joe Barrett" <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
>> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <051301c75c22$5529ba70$6701a8c0 at Joe>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi Joe, where do you moor your boat?
>> Joe Barrett
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Joseph A Tamucci
>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:50 AM
>> To: C320 LIST POST
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous
>>
>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new
>> from the dealer in 1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current
>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I
>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they >
>> actually
>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need to
>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have
>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom scrub
>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own
>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.
>>
>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast
>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and
>> running
>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. We're
>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005
>> > in
>> Newport.
>>
>> Joe Tamucci
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean.
>>
>>
>> Virus Database (VPS): 000720-0, 03/01/2007
>> Tested on: 3/1/2007 11:54:52 AM
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> *****************************************
>>
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