[C320-list] FW: draft/bilge

[Karl Mielenhausen _/)]

Jim,

What we refer to as the 'deep' bilge can be seen in this pic...

http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album91&id=DCP_2761



I believe the deepest part of the bilge measures about 10" from the bottom of the removable floorboard to the bottom of the bilge.



Karl Mielenhausen

2000 C320 Hull#690 "Silver Lining"

New Bern, NC

http://pages.suddenlink.net/kmielen/

From: Jim DeLong [mailto: jdelong3 at neo.rr.com]

To: c320-list at catalina320.com

Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:53:59 -0500

Subject: [C320-list] draft/bilge



OK....I'm almost there!  I've never been on another 320, so how do I know if I have the shallow or deep bilge? How deep are each at the keel bolts? Knowing this and which style wing I have will give me a definitive answer on draft.Thanks!  Jim----- Original Message ----- From: <c320-list-request at catalina320.com>To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:57 PMSubject: C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 3> Send C320-List mailing list submissions to> c320-list at catalina320.com>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mail.catalina320.com/mailman/listinfo/c320-list_catalina320.com>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> c320-list-request at catalina320.com>> You can reach the person managing the list at> c320-list-owner at catalina320.com>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of C320-List digest...">>> Today's Topics:>>   1. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast 
Rendezvous>      (jonvez at comcast.net)>   2. Re: C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2>      (Russell and Kathleen Vance)>   3. testing (David Cardoza)>   4. Re: C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2 (Chris Holt)>   5. Re: C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2 (alahlm at comcast.net)>   6. FW: Re:  C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2>      (Karl Mielenhausen  _/) )>   7. Re: Bottom Prep question (Kirk McCullough)>   8. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Kirk McCullough)>   9. Draft again (Jim DeLong)>  10. Re: Draft again (Richard A. Walker)>  11. Re: Draft again (jimc320 at aol.com)>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->> Message: 1> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:10:48 +0000> From: jonvez at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Message-ID:> <030120071710.12397.45E70918000580520000306D2207003201960A90020106 at comcast.net>>> Content-Type: text/plain>> Joe,>> I 
suspect we boutght are boats from the same place--Eastern?? I have #582 > which is also a '99. Micron Extra has worked very well for me here in > Boston--a multi season ablative/copolymer...>> I am hoping to avoid the barrier coat route, but I may not have a > choice....>> Regards,>> Jon>> -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Joseph A Tamucci" <jtamucci at comcast.net>>>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new>> from the dealer in 1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they >> actually>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need to>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom scrub>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our 
own>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.>>>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and >> running>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. We're>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005 >> in>> Newport.>>>> Joe Tamucci>> ------------------------------>> Message: 2> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:26:20 -0500> From: "Russell and Kathleen Vance" <vances105 at earthlink.net>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Message-ID: <000c01c75c26$ba595dc0$0202a8c0 at DJDL6G81>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original>> Hello All,> We are a bit confused by the draft questions.  We purchased a 1997 C320 in> March of last year.  The hull number is 407.  We thought the draft was > 4'4"> (wing keel).  Now we are not sure.  I've 
sent an inquiry to Catalina> Customer Service, but would like to hear from someone who has a hull > number> close to ours.> thanks!> Kathleen Vance> #407> Shadowfax>>>>>> ------------------------------>> Message: 3> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:29:52 -0500> From: "David Cardoza" <dave at avaloncon.com>> Subject: [C320-list] testing> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Message-ID:> <000001c75c27$390b99d0$4614500a at Americas.missionenergy.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> I needed to change my email service so just a test>>>>> ------------------------------>> Message: 4> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:13:28 -0500> From: "Chris Holt" <oldman1030 at hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2> To: "Russell and Kathleen Vance" <vances105 at earthlink.net>,> "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV1665528E1E7D1BF83B47D3C8800 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=response>> 
I have hull #447 and although I have not measured it myself I'm pretty > sure> it is 4'10".> If I compare my keel to the photos my wing keel looks like the right hand> picture.>> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Russell and Kathleen Vance" <vances105 at earthlink.net>> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:26 PM> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2>>> Hello All,>> We are a bit confused by the draft questions.  We purchased a 1997 C320 >> in>> March of last year.  The hull number is 407.  We thought the draft was>> 4'4" (wing keel).  Now we are not sure.  I've sent an inquiry to Catalina>> Customer Service, but would like to hear from someone who has a hull>> number close to ours.>> thanks!>> Kathleen Vance>> #407>> Shadowfax>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------>> Message: 5> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:34:18 +0000> From: alahlm at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2> To: Russell and 
Kathleen Vance <vances105 at earthlink.net>, C320-List> <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Message-ID:> <030120072034.9854.45E738CA00011EA10000267E22073007930304080E040E at comcast.net>>> Content-Type: text/plain>> have hull #476 wing keel  4' 10.5" ---also went the barrier coat route>        Al Ahlman>           #476>> -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Russell and Kathleen Vance" <vances105 at earthlink.net>>>> Hello All,>> We are a bit confused by the draft questions. We purchased a 1997 C320 in>> March of last year. The hull number is 407. We thought the draft was 4'4">> (wing keel). Now we are not sure. I've sent an inquiry to Catalina>> Customer Service, but would like to hear from someone who has a hull >> number>> close to ours.>> thanks!>> Kathleen Vance>> #407>> Shadowfax>>>>>>>> ------------------------------>> Message: 6> Date: Thu,  1 Mar 2007 15:54:04 -0500 (EST)> From: "Karl Mielenhausen  _/) " <kmielen at iwon.com>> Subject: [C320-list] FW: Re:  C320-List 
Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2> To: C320-List at catalina320.com> Message-ID: <20070301205404.D133A3965 at email.iwon.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">>> If you have the deeper bilge, you will have the deeper draft.>> I believe the change to the deeper bilge was made at approx. hull#246 in > 1995, so I'm sure you're draft is really 4'-10". The Catalina specs were > not updated promptly and I'd wager that few surveyors actually make a > measurement.>>>> Karl Mielenhausen>> 2000 C320 Hull#690 "Silver Lining">> New Bern, NC>> http://pages.suddenlink.net/kmielen/>> From: Russell and Kathleen Vance [mailto: vances105 at earthlink.net]>> To: c320-list at catalina320.com>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:26:20 -0500>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2>>>> Hello All,We are a bit confused by the draft questions.  We purchased a > 1997 C320 in March of last year.  The hull number is 407.  We thought the > draft was 4'4" (wing keel).  Now we are not sure.  I've sent 
an inquiry to > Catalina Customer Service, but would like to hear from someone who has a > hull number close to ours.thanks!Kathleen Vance#407Shadowfax>> _______________________________________________>>>>>> ------------------------------>> Message: 7> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:58:57 -0800> From: "Kirk McCullough" <kirk.mccullough at telus.net>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question> To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Message-ID: <001101c75c44$6e09b550$6500a8c0 at your4dacd0ea75>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original>> Jon>> The paint on my boat fell off clear down to the bare gel coat too. But > this> happened 3 or 4 years after the boat was first launched . There had never> been a problem previous to this. Eventually after 3 seasons of hauling and> bottom painting, all the old paint came off and the bottom paint adhered> properly.>> We use Micron CSC (think that's the one) and we found out that the > previous> owner 
was using a different brand. As I say, the "different brand"> eventually all fell off.>>> Kirk> Boomerang #124> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jonvez at comcast.net>> To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:07 AM> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question>>>> Kirk,>>>> I've been using an ablative/copolymer since the boat was new. Since the>> paint falls off the bare fiberglass, I'm fairly certain the root cause >> was>> lousy commissioning--I did go back to my broker a couple of seasons ago,>> but they were no help....>>>> Regards,>>>> Jon>>>> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Kirk McCullough" <kirk.mccullough at telus.net>>>>>> Jon>>>>>> What you describe happened to us shortly after we got our boat. The old>>> paint came off easily, on the roller and once the new paint was on the>>> old>>> paint underneath released, flaking off the old and the new together. The>>> yard explained this as a bottom paint 
incompatibility. Do you know if >>> you>>> are using a compatible bottom paint?>>>>>> Kirk>>> Boomerang #124>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From:>>> To: "320 List">>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:32 AM>>> Subject: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question>>>>>>>>> > When my boat was commissioned the broker did a lousy job of prepping>>> > the>>> > hull for bottom paint. I've been struggling with this ever since. The>>> > most>>> > frustrating part is when putting a new coat on, the old paint comes >>> > off>>> > with the roller.>>> > There has been discussion recently around Vinylester and its >>> > properties>>> > (I>>> > have a hull with Vinylester) and I would appreciate some input on a>>> > paint>>> > removal system I found at the New England boat show and if anyone is>>> > familiar with them. They use a volcanic ash type media with hot>>> > water--it>>> > is a 'green company', but I am concerned with creating a more>>> > significant>>> > problem in trying to fix 
the bottom paint problem (compromising the>>> > hull).>>> > I will be calling Catalina to get there input, but wanted to see if>>> > anyone>>> > else had any insight. The company is the Farrow System and can be >>> > found>>> > at>>> > www.stripitclean.com>>> >>>> > Thanks in advance>>> >>>> > Regards,>>> >>>> > Jon Vez>>> >>>> >>>> > -- >>> > No virus found in this incoming message.>>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.>>> > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date:>>> > 2/28/2007>>> > 4:09 PM>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007>> 2:43 PM>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------>> Message: 8> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:03:17 -0800> From: "Kirk McCullough" <kirk.mccullough at telus.net>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous> To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Message-ID: 
<001b01c75c45$08d516b0$6500a8c0 at your4dacd0ea75>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original>> Joe>> Bottomkote is the least expensive of the Interlux range of bottom paints.> The Micron CSC or Micron  Extra will last 2 seasons or more. I put on 2> coats of CSC and can easily get 2 years out here on the west coast.>> Kirk McCullough> Boomerang #124> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph A Tamucci" <jtamucci at comcast.net>> To: "C320 LIST POST" <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:50 AM> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous>>>>I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new>> from the dealer in 1999.  I originally had ST-50 applied but my current>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons.  I>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they>> actually>> use a powdered shell mixture) .  I assume a barrier 
coat will then need >> to>> be applied to seal the hull?  Any suggestions on what paint I should have>> applied.  I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and  very seldom >> scrub>> the bottom.  Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own>> bottoms",  I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.>>>> BTW:  I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and >> running>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. >> We're>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005>> in>> Newport.>>>> Joe Tamucci>>>>>> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007>> 2:43 PM>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------>> Message: 9> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:55:47 -0500> From: "Jim DeLong" <jdelong3 at neo.rr.com>> Subject: [C320-list] Draft again> 
To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Message-ID: <001101c75c4d$218c52b0$0101a8c0 at Laptop>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original>> Now that this subject of draft has come up again...>> When did the draft go from 4'3" to 4'10"? I have an old brochure that > shows> 4'3", while currents one shows 4'4".>> I have the old wing design (hull 453), but I think the shallow bilge.  It > is> only 6" or so deep. I don't know if 453 is 4'3", 4'10", or 4'4"????>> Jim DeLong>> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <c320-list-request at catalina320.com>> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:00 PM> Subject: C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2>>>> Send C320-List mailing list submissions to>> c320-list at catalina320.com>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit>> http://mail.catalina320.com/mailman/listinfo/c320-list_catalina320.com>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>> 
c320-list-request at catalina320.com>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at>> c320-list-owner at catalina320.com>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific>> than "Re: Contents of C320-List digest...">>>>>> Today's Topics:>>>>   1. Re: Sail number, Draft and Association (Bill Culbertson)>>   2. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joseph A Tamucci)>>   3. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joe Barrett)>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->>>> Message: 1>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 05:37:35 -0800 (PST)>> From: Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Message-ID: <997352.84591.qm at web50914.mail.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1>>>> The keel comparison photos are:>>>> http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album41&id=Keels>>>> Brian 
- do you have a photo of your boat that might show the keel (since>> it's not April yet you can't look in person, right)?  The older one >> having>> the wings starting nearly half-way back is the best way to quickly tell>> which you have.>>>> -bill>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:29:10 AM>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>> Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize it was that close to mine. I>> wonder if we can get this info posted in conjunction with the keel photo>> comparisons. (If it isn't already).>>>>>> Chris Burti>> "Commitment">> Catalina 320, #867,>> Farmville, NC>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeff Church <jjemail at comcast.net>>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:10:43 PM>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>> Chris,>>>> I think 
Karl is correct. According to someone I spoke to at Catalina, >> they>> started using the 310 keel at hull #847. Brian's boat should have the>> older keel with a draft of 4' 10".>>>> JeffC>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>  From: Chris Burti>>  To: C320-List>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:42 PM>>  Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>>  You are correct, your sail number/hull number will be 797>>>>  Your surveyor did not measure your hull, rather took a shortcut and>> pulled the specification from some literature or even the Catalina>> website. Lot of misinformation printed and available on that.>>>>  Your draft is 4' 4" and the change to using the 310 wing keel on the 320>> from which the shallower draft is derived occurred prior to 2001. I>> measured mine while on the hard and there are some comparative pictures >> on>> the association site which I believe also state when the change occurred.>> Note; the obvious question of whether the 
rudder was modifed to match was>> answered in the affirmative in that discussion as well.>>>>>>  Chris Burti>>  "Commitment">>  Catalina 320, #867,>>  Farmville, NC>>>>>>  ----- Original Message ---->>  From: Amirault Family <amiraults at sympatico.ca>>>  To: c320-list at catalina320.com>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:29:03 PM>>  Subject: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>>  Yesterday I became the owner of a 2001 C320. Can't say much about her as>>  I have yet to see her and likely won't until April when she is shipped>>  from the US to Ottawa. I have to thank Dick Walker (who spent time on>>  the phone discussing ownership) and Dave Moores (who went to the trouble>>  to speak with me at the 2007 January Toronto Boat Show and also brought>>  along a DVD of a 'round the lake race in which he participated and did>>  well) for aiding me in selecting the C320. I'm happy to be here.>>>>  These are the first two of what will likely be many issues.>>>>  I was 
expecting the draft to be 4'4''. My survey states the draft to be>>  4'10''. I know that there was rise and fall in draft over time, but can>>  someone definitively state when the change back to 4'4'' took place?>>>>  Secondly, I would like to join the association before I take possession>>  of the boat as it will likely pay back the investment as did my>>  subscription to Practical Sailor before I bought my first boat. The>>  problem is the information required as part of the application. Never>>  having seen my sails I cannot supply the sail number. I do have the>>  surveyor's statement of  serial number and I assume that the hull/sail>>  number is hidden there as it is for my Tanzer. Could someone provide a>>  breakdown of the meaning of  CTYC0797G001? I suspect that I have sail>>  number 797, but would appreciate confirmation.>>>>  Brian Amirault>>  2001 #?>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________>>  Never miss an 
email again!>>  Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.>>  http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________>> Do you Yahoo!?>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.>> http://new.mail.yahoo.com>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________>> Bored stiff? Loosen up...>> Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.>> http://games.yahoo.com/games/front>>>> ------------------------------>>>> Message: 2>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:50:13 -0500>> From: "Joseph A Tamucci" <jtamucci at comcast.net>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous>> To: "C320 LIST POST" <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Message-ID: <003201c75c21$aefc8790$6701a8c0 at D4SYL511>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">>>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new>> 
from the dealer in 1999.  I originally had ST-50 applied but my current>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons.  I>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they>> actually>> use a powdered shell mixture) .  I assume a barrier coat will then need >> to>> be applied to seal the hull?  Any suggestions on what paint I should have>> applied.  I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and  very seldom >> scrub>> the bottom.  Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own>> bottoms",  I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.>>>> BTW:  I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and >> running>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. >> We're>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005>> in>> Newport.>>>> Joe Tamucci>>>>>> ------------------------------>>>> Message: 3>> 
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:54:52 -0500>> From: "Joe Barrett" <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous>> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Message-ID: <051301c75c22$5529ba70$6701a8c0 at Joe>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">>>> Hi Joe, where do you moor your boat?>> Joe Barrett>>>>>> -----Original Message----->> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Joseph A Tamucci>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:50 AM>> To: C320 LIST POST>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous>>>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new>> from the dealer in 1999.  I originally had ST-50 applied but my current>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons.  I>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they>> actually>> use a powdered shell mixture) .  I 
assume a barrier coat will then need >> to>> be applied to seal the hull?  Any suggestions on what paint I should have>> applied.  I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and  very seldom >> scrub>> the bottom.  Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own>> bottoms",  I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.>>>> BTW:  I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and >> running>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. >> We're>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005>> in>> Newport.>>>> Joe Tamucci>>>>>>>>  _____>>>> avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean.>>>>>> Virus Database (VPS): 000720-0, 03/01/2007>> Tested on: 3/1/2007 11:54:52 AM>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2>> 
*****************************************>>>>>>> ------------------------------>> Message: 10> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:13:42 -0800> From: "Richard A. Walker" <dickwalker at att.net>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Draft again> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Message-ID: <000e01c75c4e$e00d7010$5eb3fea9 at D53ZJN31>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> Hull 355, (I think)  is when the change over from shallow bilge to deep > took> place.>> Cheers,> ?> Dick Walker> C-320 (687) WindWalker II> 740 Olive Ave.> Coronado, CA 92118-2136> 619.435.8986>>> -----Original Message-----> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeLong> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:56 PM> To: c320-list at catalina320.com> Subject: [C320-list] Draft again>> Now that this subject of draft has come up again...>> When did the draft go from 4'3" to 4'10"? I have an old brochure that > shows> 4'3", while currents one shows 4'4".>> I have 
the old wing design (hull 453), but I think the shallow bilge.  It > is>> only 6" or so deep. I don't know if 453 is 4'3", 4'10", or 4'4"????>> Jim DeLong>> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <c320-list-request at catalina320.com>> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:00 PM> Subject: C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2>>>> Send C320-List mailing list submissions to>> c320-list at catalina320.com>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit>> http://mail.catalina320.com/mailman/listinfo/c320-list_catalina320.com>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>> c320-list-request at catalina320.com>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at>> c320-list-owner at catalina320.com>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific>> than "Re: Contents of C320-List digest...">>>>>> Today's Topics:>>>>   1. Re: Sail number, Draft and Association (Bill Culbertson)>>   2. Re: Bottom Prep question, East 
Coast Rendezvous (Joseph A Tamucci)>>   3. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joe Barrett)>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->>>> Message: 1>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 05:37:35 -0800 (PST)>> From: Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Message-ID: <997352.84591.qm at web50914.mail.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1>>>> The keel comparison photos are:>>>>> http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album41&id=K> eels>>>> Brian - do you have a photo of your boat that might show the keel (since>> it's not April yet you can't look in person, right)?  The older one >> having>>> the wings starting nearly half-way back is the best way to quickly tell>> which you have.>>>> -bill>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>>> To: C320-List 
<c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:29:10 AM>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>> Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize it was that close to mine. I>> wonder if we can get this info posted in conjunction with the keel photo>> comparisons. (If it isn't already).>>>>>> Chris Burti>> "Commitment">> Catalina 320, #867,>> Farmville, NC>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---->> From: Jeff Church <jjemail at comcast.net>>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:10:43 PM>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>> Chris,>>>> I think Karl is correct. According to someone I spoke to at Catalina, >> they>>> started using the 310 keel at hull #847. Brian's boat should have the>> older keel with a draft of 4' 10".>>>> JeffC>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>  From: Chris Burti>>  To: C320-List>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:42 PM>>  Subject: Re: [C320-list] 
Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>>  You are correct, your sail number/hull number will be 797>>>>  Your surveyor did not measure your hull, rather took a shortcut and>> pulled the specification from some literature or even the Catalina>> website. Lot of misinformation printed and available on that.>>>>  Your draft is 4' 4" and the change to using the 310 wing keel on the 320>> from which the shallower draft is derived occurred prior to 2001. I>> measured mine while on the hard and there are some comparative pictures >> on>>> the association site which I believe also state when the change occurred.>> Note; the obvious question of whether the rudder was modifed to match was>> answered in the affirmative in that discussion as well.>>>>>>  Chris Burti>>  "Commitment">>  Catalina 320, #867,>>  Farmville, NC>>>>>>  ----- Original Message ---->>  From: Amirault Family <amiraults at sympatico.ca>>>  To: c320-list at catalina320.com>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:29:03 PM>>  
Subject: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>>  Yesterday I became the owner of a 2001 C320. Can't say much about her as>>  I have yet to see her and likely won't until April when she is shipped>>  from the US to Ottawa. I have to thank Dick Walker (who spent time on>>  the phone discussing ownership) and Dave Moores (who went to the trouble>>  to speak with me at the 2007 January Toronto Boat Show and also brought>>  along a DVD of a 'round the lake race in which he participated and did>>  well) for aiding me in selecting the C320. I'm happy to be here.>>>>  These are the first two of what will likely be many issues.>>>>  I was expecting the draft to be 4'4''. My survey states the draft to be>>  4'10''. I know that there was rise and fall in draft over time, but can>>  someone definitively state when the change back to 4'4'' took place?>>>>  Secondly, I would like to join the association before I take possession>>  of the boat as it will likely pay back the 
investment as did my>>  subscription to Practical Sailor before I bought my first boat. The>>  problem is the information required as part of the application. Never>>  having seen my sails I cannot supply the sail number. I do have the>>  surveyor's statement of  serial number and I assume that the hull/sail>>  number is hidden there as it is for my Tanzer. Could someone provide a>>  breakdown of the meaning of  CTYC0797G001? I suspect that I have sail>>  number 797, but would appreciate confirmation.>>>>  Brian Amirault>>  2001 #?>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________> ________>>  Never miss an email again!>>  Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.>>  http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________> ________>> Do you Yahoo!?>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.>> http://new.mail.yahoo.com>>>>>>>>> 
____________________________________________________________________________> ________>> Bored stiff? Loosen up...>> Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.>> http://games.yahoo.com/games/front>>>> ------------------------------>>>> Message: 2>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:50:13 -0500>> From: "Joseph A Tamucci" <jtamucci at comcast.net>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous>> To: "C320 LIST POST" <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Message-ID: <003201c75c21$aefc8790$6701a8c0 at D4SYL511>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">>>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new>> from the dealer in 1999.  I originally had ST-50 applied but my current>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons.  I>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they>> actually>> use a powdered shell mixture) .  I assume a barrier coat will then need >> to>> be applied to seal 
the hull?  Any suggestions on what paint I should have>> applied.  I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and  very seldom >> scrub>> the bottom.  Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own>> bottoms",  I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.>>>> BTW:  I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and >> running>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. >> We're>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005>> in>> Newport.>>>> Joe Tamucci>>>>>> ------------------------------>>>> Message: 3>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:54:52 -0500>> From: "Joe Barrett" <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous>> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Message-ID: <051301c75c22$5529ba70$6701a8c0 at Joe>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">>>> Hi Joe, where do you 
moor your boat?>> Joe Barrett>>>>>> -----Original Message----->> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Joseph A Tamucci>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:50 AM>> To: C320 LIST POST>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous>>>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new>> from the dealer in 1999.  I originally had ST-50 applied but my current>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons.  I>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they>> actually>> use a powdered shell mixture) .  I assume a barrier coat will then need >> to>> be applied to seal the hull?  Any suggestions on what paint I should have>> applied.  I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and  very seldom >> scrub>> the bottom.  Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own>> bottoms",  I would like to use a multi year paint to save 
$.>>>> BTW:  I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and >> running>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. >> We're>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005>> in>> Newport.>>>> Joe Tamucci>>>>>>>>  _____>>>> avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean.>>>>>> Virus Database (VPS): 000720-0, 03/01/2007>> Tested on: 3/1/2007 11:54:52 AM>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2>> *****************************************>>>>>>>> ------------------------------>> Message: 11> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:57:54 -0500> From: jimc320 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Draft again> To: c320-list at catalina320.com> Message-ID: <8C92A7CF1E94C1E-3F0-5F78 at WEBMAIL-DF19.sysops.aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">> Jim,>> I have hul 209( shallow 
bilge) which was supose to be 4ft 3 inch draft (as > per brochure> and specs) but in reality  it is 4' 10". I think somone at catalina didnt > where there glasses when they measured the draft on the early models. > that additional 7 " has got me stuck several times.>>> Jim Mills> Elusive 2, 209> -----Original Message-----> From: jdelong3 at neo.rr.com> To: c320-list at catalina320.com> Sent: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 4:55 PM> Subject: [C320-list] Draft again>>> Now that this subject of draft has come up again...>> When did the draft go from 4'3" to 4'10"? I have an old brochure that > shows 4'3", while currents one shows 4'4".>> I have the old wing design (hull 453), but I think the shallow bilge. It > is only 6" or so deep. I don't know if 453 is 4'3", 4'10", or 4'4"????>> Jim DeLong>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <c320-list-request at catalina320.com>> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:00 PM> Subject: C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2>>> Send C320-List 
mailing list submissions to>> c320-list at catalina320.com>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit>> http://mail.catalina320.com/mailman/listinfo/c320-list_catalina320.com>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to>> c320-list-request at catalina320.com>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at>> c320-list-owner at catalina320.com>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific>> than "Re: Contents of C320-List digest...">>>>>> Today's Topics:>>>> 1. Re: Sail number, Draft and Association (Bill Culbertson)>> 2. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joseph A Tamucci)>> 3. Re: Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous (Joe Barrett)>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Message: 1>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 05:37:35 -0800 (PST)>> From: Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>> To: C320-List 
<c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Message-ID: <997352.84591.qm at web50914.mail.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1>>>> The keel comparison photos are:>> > http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album41&id=Keels>>>> Brian - do you have a photo of your boat that might show the keel (since >>  > it's not April yet you can't look in person, right)? The older one >> having > the wings starting nearly half-way back is the best way to >> quickly tell > which you have.>>>> -bill>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:29:10 AM>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>> Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize it was that close to mine. I >>  > wonder if we can get this info posted in conjunction with the keel >> photo > comparisons. (If it isn't already).>>>>>> Chris Burti>> "Commitment">> Catalina 320, 
#867,>> Farmville, NC>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jeff Church <jjemail at comcast.net>>> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:10:43 PM>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>> Chris,>>>> I think Karl is correct. According to someone I spoke to at Catalina, >> they > started using the 310 keel at hull #847. Brian's boat should have >> the > older keel with a draft of 4' 10".>>>> JeffC>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Burti>> To: C320-List>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:42 PM>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>> You are correct, your sail number/hull number will be 797>>>> Your surveyor did not measure your hull, rather took a shortcut and > >> pulled the specification from some literature or even the Catalina > >> website. Lot of misinformation printed and available on that.>>>> Your draft is 4' 4" and the change to using the 310 wing keel on 
the 320 >>  > from which the shallower draft is derived occurred prior to 2001. I > >> measured mine while on the hard and there are some comparative pictures >> on > the association site which I believe also state when the change >> occurred. > Note; the obvious question of whether the rudder was modifed >> to match was > answered in the affirmative in that discussion as well.>>>>>> Chris Burti>> "Commitment">> Catalina 320, #867,>> Farmville, NC>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Amirault Family <amiraults at sympatico.ca>>> To: c320-list at catalina320.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:29:03 PM>> Subject: [C320-list] Sail number, Draft and Association>>>>>> Yesterday I became the owner of a 2001 C320. Can't say much about her as>> I have yet to see her and likely won't until April when she is shipped>> from the US to Ottawa. I have to thank Dick Walker (who spent time on>> the phone discussing ownership) and Dave Moores (who went to the trouble>> to speak with 
me at the 2007 January Toronto Boat Show and also brought>> along a DVD of a 'round the lake race in which he participated and did>> well) for aiding me in selecting the C320. I'm happy to be here.>>>> These are the first two of what will likely be many issues.>>>> I was expecting the draft to be 4'4''. My survey states the draft to be>> 4'10''. I know that there was rise and fall in draft over time, but can>> someone definitively state when the change back to 4'4'' took place?>>>> Secondly, I would like to join the association before I take possession>> of the boat as it will likely pay back the investment as did my>> subscription to Practical Sailor before I bought my first boat. The>> problem is the information required as part of the application. Never>> having seen my sails I cannot supply the sail number. I do have the>> surveyor's statement of serial number and I assume that the hull/sail>> number is hidden there as it is for my Tanzer. Could someone provide a>> 
breakdown of the meaning of CTYC0797G001? I suspect that I have sail>> number 797, but would appreciate confirmation.>>>> Brian Amirault>> 2001 #?>>>>>>>> > ____________________________________________________________________________________>> Never miss an email again!>> Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.>> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________>> Do you Yahoo!?>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.>> http://new.mail.yahoo.com>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________>> Bored stiff? Loosen up...>> Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.>> http://games.yahoo.com/games/front>>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Message: 2>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:50:13 -0500>> From: "Joseph A Tamucci" <jtamucci at comcast.net>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, 
East Coast Rendezvous>> To: "C320 LIST POST" <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Message-ID: <003201c75c21$aefc8790$6701a8c0 at D4SYL511>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">>>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new>> from the dealer in 1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they > >> actually>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need to>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom scrub>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.>>>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and >> 
running>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. We're>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005 >>  > in>> Newport.>>>> Joe Tamucci>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Message: 3>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:54:52 -0500>> From: "Joe Barrett" <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous>> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>>> Message-ID: <051301c75c22$5529ba70$6701a8c0 at Joe>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii">>>> Hi Joe, where do you moor your boat?>> Joe Barrett>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Joseph A Tamucci>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:50 AM>> To: C320 LIST POST>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Prep question, East Coast Rendezvous>>>> I have the same flaking problem with Andante, hull #619, bought brand new>> from the dealer in 
1999. I originally had ST-50 applied but my current>> marina uses BOTTOMKOTE which has been applied for the last 4 seasons. I>> decided this spring I will have the yard sand blast the hull (they > >> actually>> use a powdered shell mixture) . I assume a barrier coat will then need to>> be applied to seal the hull? Any suggestions on what paint I should have>> applied. I live in NE, have the boat at a mooring, and very seldom scrub>> the bottom. Since marina's up here do not allow us to "paint our own>> bottoms", I would like to use a multi year paint to save $.>>>> BTW: I'm planning on sailing Andante to Mystic for the East Coast>> Rendezvous Aug 10th - 12th and wonder when the site will be up and >> running>> so we can see the schedule and make reservations at Mystic seaport. We're>> looking forward to reconnecting with all the great people we met in 2005 >>  > in>> Newport.>>>> Joe Tamucci>>>>>>>> _____>>>> avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message 
clean.>>>>>> Virus Database (VPS): 000720-0, 03/01/2007>> Tested on: 3/1/2007 11:54:52 AM>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2>> *****************************************>>> ________________________________________________________________________> AOL now offers free email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com.>>> End of C320-List Digest, Vol 271, Issue 3> ***************************************** 

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