[C320-list] Battery Help / Confused ?
crashley at gte.net
crashley at gte.net
Tue Apr 22 06:55:25 PDT 2008
Joe,
I know it's not you fault, but one should always change out these equal
sized batteries at the same time, especially if they are being routinely
paralleled. I still find it hard to believe that this is a battery health
issue, especially because the "good" battery that can start the engine
cannot power the dc distribution panel.
CRA
Rosebud #882
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Abbagnaro" <jabbagna at gmail.com>
To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Battery Help / Confused ?
> Jon
>
>>From the records I have of the Previous Owner , one battery was replaced
>>in
> 06/2004 the other in 07/2005. I am using a Digital Multi Meter to
> check voltages at the batteries. Looks like I will be taking along a
> Battery Jumper
> pack for the trip home, and hopefully will resolve this issue by the
> weekend.
>
> Joe
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Jon Vez <jonvez at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Joe,
>>
>> Jeff Hare has also posted some excellent wiring diagrams on the 320 web
>> site. One thing you can also look at is the date of the batteries. There
>> should be a sticker on the top of them indicating the month/year. If
>> they
>> are originals, I suspect you may have weak/dying batteries. Even if
>> resting
>> voltage is 12.4 this doesn't indicate they can take the deep charge the
>> starter imposes on them. I also have a 99 and mine died after season 5.
>> I'm
>> the original owner and took very careful care of the batteries. I now
>> have
>> AGM's and a Xantrex charger. Finally, if you are relying on the voltage
>> meter on the boat's electrical panel you will find it is not a very
>> accurate
>> way to determine actual battery help. A multimeter is the best way to
>> get a
>> real sense of the state of the batteries. Good luck!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon Vez
>> Solstice #582
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
>>
>>
>> crashley at gte.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:01 AM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Battery Help / Confused ?
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> I happen to be an electrical engineer but this sounds very mysterious.
>> If
>> the battery switch is wired per the C320 diagram I have (Catalina
>> drawing #
>> 320-73002-10, I can send you copy if you want), then when the battery
>> selector switch is in position 1 and the motor will start it makes
>> absolutely no sense that the distribution panel is not powered properly.
>> (By
>>
>> the way, does the engine start in the OFF position? This might explain
>> something.) It's hard to imagine a bad selector switch or a bad battery
>> could cause this problem. I suspect the wiring has been reconfigured
>> somehow. I would start with trying to verify that the wiring is per the
>> drawing I referenced earlier. Also, try to verify that the battery
>> grounds
>> are connected together with a very low resistance (i.e., large cable).
>> Good
>> luck and I'm interested in eventually knowing what the story is.
>>
>> CRA
>> Rosebud #882
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Monte B." <mjbc60 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Battery Help / Confused ?
>>
>>
>> > Joe,
>> >
>> > The place I would start is trying to determine the age of the
>> batteries.
>> > The
>> > life expectancy of these batteries runs the gamut depending on how you
>> use
>> > them and maintain them. If you are in the battery business, (you own a
>> > boat)
>> > get a commercial grade battery hydrometer to assess cell state of
>> charge.
>> > The specific gravity reading of the electrolyte roughly equates to the
>> > state
>> > of charge, I.E. 1240 = 12.4 volts. If after a full charge the readings
>> > vary
>> > by .2 or more you need to equalize the batteries. Throw away the
>> > promariner
>> > charger and get a Xantrex as it has an equalize mode. By the way, my
>> > promariner also failed in the full charge mode and fried 2 4D
>> batteries.
>> > (8d,s wont go in the boxes without mods). The S.G. or state of charge
>> will
>> > not reveal capacity but as batteries age capacity always suffers due
>> to
>> > sulfation on the plates. The equalize mode counteracts this phenomena
>> to a
>> > degree. If your batteries are three or more years old they have done
>> well
>> > and they may not be shot but will suffer from reduced capacity. Five
>> or
>> > more
>> > years and it is time to recycle from a reliability standpoint. I
>> cannot
>> > comment on the boat wiring, but it sounds like you may have a battery
>> with
>>
>> > a
>> > shorted cell.
>> >
>> > Monte
>> > Laima #620
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
>> > BAdams3491 at aol.com
>> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:33 PM
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Battery Help / Confused ?
>> >
>> > Good advice.
>> >
>> > Bert
>> > At Ease
>> > #442
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message dated 4/21/2008 5:10:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> > Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com writes:
>> >
>> > If this is your first experience with deep cycle batteries (or 12V
>> > systems
>> > on a boat), go to www.amazon.com and order this book, it's an
>> invaluable
>> > source of information on the subject.
>> >
>> >
>> > Boatowner's Mechanical & Electrical Manual: How to Maintain, Repair,
>> and
>> > Improve Your Boat's Essential Systems (Hardcover)
>> > by Nigel Calder (Author)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Joe Abbagnaro"
>> > <jabbagna at gmail.
>> > com> To
>> > Sent by: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> > c320-list-bounce cc
>> > s at lists.catalina
>> > 320.com Subject
>> > Re: [C320-list] Battery Help /
>> > Confused ?
>> > 04/21/2008 03:05
>> > PM
>> >
>> >
>> > Please respond
>> > to
>> > C320-List at Catali
>> > na320.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bert
>> >
>> > Why do you say the battery is 75% discharged.?
>> > A 12 volt battery at rest I thought usually displays 12.2 - 12.4
>> volts
>> > when not being charged, while being chrarged it is usually 14 + volts
>> > and shorly after being charged 13+ volts and will eventually
>> > stabalize to 12.2 - 12.4.
>> >
>> > This is my first experience with deep cycle batteries so if I am
>> wrong
>> > than let me know.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> > The batteries are not orginals one was replced in 2005 and one in
>> 2006,
>> > The chrger is the original a Flyback Promariner that makes a lot of
>> > noise,
>> > which might need to be replaced.
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Robert Seastream
>> > <robert.seastream at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> And if the batteries are originals, depending on their care and
>> feeding
>> >> under the PO, it may be time for replacement.
>> >>
>> >> Bob Seastream
>> >> Intuition # 906
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 21, 2008, at 3:29 PM, BAdams3491 at aol.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Part of the problem is the 12.4 volts...that's about 75%
>> capacity.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bert
>> >> > At Ease
>> >> > #442
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > In a message dated 4/21/2008 7:27:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> >> > jabbagna at gmail.com writes:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a 1999 320 Hull 574, I bought the boat from the original
>> > owner.
>> >> > It has 2 Batteries , NO Dedicated start battery. So I am pretty
>> > confident
>> >> > the wiring is original from the factory. Both batteries are
>> reading
>> >> > about 12.4 volts but I have no way to load test them. My problem
>> has
>> >> > me confused.
>> >> >
>> >> > 1) Select battery 1 Engine starts but no other accessories will
>> > work.
>> >> > If I turn on the map light it comes on at less than half light
>> >> > than fades off after a second or so
>> >> > to no light at all. Almost looks like a feed back condition
>> >> > through the light.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2) Select Battery 2 Engine will NOTt start, but all the
>> Accessories
>> >> > will work when powered on.
>> >> >
>> >> > 3) Select ALL and Engine starts all Accessories work.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do I have a bad Battery, or possibly a Bad selector switch.
>> >> >
>> >> > Joe
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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