[C320-list] Dead down wind sailing?

[Scott Thompson]

Joe:  Rambler was first to finish in her Division, but the winner of that
Division was a Beneteau First 36.7 "Tenacious" after time corrections. 
Let's give the production boats their credit.

I get a kick out of the fact that the winner of the much larger St.
David's Lighthouse Division, which restricts the number of pros on board,
was the Cal 40 "Sinn Fein."

First to finish overall was the new 99' "Speedboat."  I've seen several
pictures of Speedboat that resemble your description of Rambler.  She has
a canting keel so weight placement issues are probably quite different, as
they are on any of the stripped out super-lightweight racing machines.

> There are plenty of racers on this list that would also have opinions on
> what makes their boat go fast. It took me two years to figure out my new
> boat and going from a Tiller to a Wheel was a big adjustment. I was
> looking
> at recent Photo's of Rambler the 90' Machine that just won the Newport to
> Bermuda race and noticed them close hauled with all the crew on the
> Windward
> side but Aft near the Cockpit. I also noticed that their stern transom
> still
> was out of the water. I don't think that is true with our C320's. We have
> the crew forward, one in front of the Shrouds and the others just aft of
> the
> Shrouds to get our fat ass out of the water. Seems to work on our boat as
> we
> do pretty well upwind but I'd love to hear comments from the other Racers
> as
> well. Our West Florida PHRF Boat of the Year Season starts at Labor Day
> and
> runs thru Mid May. We won the Cruising Class Boat of the Year twice and
> came
> in 2nd twice in the last 4 years and there are usually 12-14 boats in
> Class
> in any given Regatta. I sail with a Doyle 155% Dacron Quicksilver Genoa
> and
> the stock Catalina main which really needs replacing.
> Joe Barrett
> Island Time #689
> Naples, Florida
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Rick Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:36 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dead down wind sailing?
>
> Hey Joe
>
> I phrf race my 320 as well iyou sound like a pro on wieght distribution
> for
> the 320.
>
> Have any other pointers?
>
> Rick
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Joe Barrett" <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:19:19
> To:<C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dead down wind sailing?
>
>
> We go  DDW a lot on short Olympic Triangle courses. Prior to arriving at
> the
> Weather Mark the pole is already attached to the Genoa sheets. As soon as
> we
> round the Genoa is eased the pole extended and we are off flying downwind.
> Well before other boats are even on the foredeck trying to set a pole.
> Easy
> way to pick up 4 boat lengths and cleaner Air.
> We have found it is much faster to have crew weight forward of the mast
> DDW
> and have passed boats that owe us a bunch of time doing so. I would prefer
> that the wind allow for a Broad Reach as it is a faster point of sail, on
> that run we put crew weight Leeward by the Shrouds unless it is really
> windy. Even in a breeze the extra lift from the Leeward crew weight seems
> to
> help. DDW we ease the Halyards, take tension off the Backstay adjuster,
> loosen the Outhaul and move crew weight forward to get the fat stern out
> of
> the water.
> Joe Barrett
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Rod Boer
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:20 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: [C320-list] Dead down wind sailing?
>
> The finish leg of last Friday night's race was dead down wind and that's
> the
> way we sailed it with a whisker pole.  Some folks on this list had
> previously recommended that even with a whisker pole the fastest way to
> get
> to a point dead downwind was to sail off at 120.  Maybe I misunderstood
> what
> they said but I was trying to build an argument to my mates regarding the
> 120 course using the C320 polar diagram and I couldn't really make a good
> case.  Sailing 120 doubles the distance and according to the polar diagram
> I
> will not be going anywhere near twice as fast.  There is a weak case for a
> 150 course in that we would have saved 45 sec on a 1.7 mile finish leg.
>
>
>
> I must be missing something.  Hopefully someone can shed some light on
> this.
>
>
>
>
> Rod Boer
>
> Odyssey, #688
>
>
>
>