[C320-list] Dead down wind sailing?

[Rick Evans]

Joe,

I have been racing one design Sonars for years as crew and understood their
weight distribution as well.  I am looking for any advantage cause my PHRF
fleet is pretty competitive.  In addition my rating seems way too low but I
will deal with that, as well as new sails and a complete bottom job next
year.

Upwind I keep everyone at the shrouds on the windward rail if its blowing
and the leeward rail if the wind is light.  Down wind we seem to get blown
away.  In a sonar flying a kite in moderate winds we kept weight back (but
thats a one design race boat).  Makes sense to keep the fat stern out of the
water for less drag down wind on a 320.

Thanks
Rick

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Joe Barrett <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>
wrote:

> There are plenty of racers on this list that would also have opinions on
> what makes their boat go fast. It took me two years to figure out my new
> boat and going from a Tiller to a Wheel was a big adjustment. I was looking
> at recent Photo's of Rambler the 90' Machine that just won the Newport to
> Bermuda race and noticed them close hauled with all the crew on the
> Windward
> side but Aft near the Cockpit. I also noticed that their stern transom
> still
> was out of the water. I don't think that is true with our C320's. We have
> the crew forward, one in front of the Shrouds and the others just aft of
> the
> Shrouds to get our fat ass out of the water. Seems to work on our boat as
> we
> do pretty well upwind but I'd love to hear comments from the other Racers
> as
> well. Our West Florida PHRF Boat of the Year Season starts at Labor Day and
> runs thru Mid May. We won the Cruising Class Boat of the Year twice and
> came
> in 2nd twice in the last 4 years and there are usually 12-14 boats in Class
> in any given Regatta. I sail with a Doyle 155% Dacron Quicksilver Genoa and
> the stock Catalina main which really needs replacing.
> Joe Barrett
> Island Time #689
> Naples, Florida
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Rick Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:36 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dead down wind sailing?
>
> Hey Joe
>
> I phrf race my 320 as well iyou sound like a pro on wieght distribution for
> the 320.
>
> Have any other pointers?
>
> Rick
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Joe Barrett" <joe at dolphinmortgage.com>
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:19:19
> To:<C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dead down wind sailing?
>
>
> We go  DDW a lot on short Olympic Triangle courses. Prior to arriving at
> the
> Weather Mark the pole is already attached to the Genoa sheets. As soon as
> we
> round the Genoa is eased the pole extended and we are off flying downwind.
> Well before other boats are even on the foredeck trying to set a pole. Easy
> way to pick up 4 boat lengths and cleaner Air.
> We have found it is much faster to have crew weight forward of the mast DDW
> and have passed boats that owe us a bunch of time doing so. I would prefer
> that the wind allow for a Broad Reach as it is a faster point of sail, on
> that run we put crew weight Leeward by the Shrouds unless it is really
> windy. Even in a breeze the extra lift from the Leeward crew weight seems
> to
> help. DDW we ease the Halyards, take tension off the Backstay adjuster,
> loosen the Outhaul and move crew weight forward to get the fat stern out of
> the water.
> Joe Barrett
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Rod Boer
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:20 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: [C320-list] Dead down wind sailing?
>
> The finish leg of last Friday night's race was dead down wind and that's
> the
> way we sailed it with a whisker pole.  Some folks on this list had
> previously recommended that even with a whisker pole the fastest way to get
> to a point dead downwind was to sail off at 120.  Maybe I misunderstood
> what
> they said but I was trying to build an argument to my mates regarding the
> 120 course using the C320 polar diagram and I couldn't really make a good
> case.  Sailing 120 doubles the distance and according to the polar diagram
> I
> will not be going anywhere near twice as fast.  There is a weak case for a
> 150 course in that we would have saved 45 sec on a 1.7 mile finish leg.
>
>
>
> I must be missing something.  Hopefully someone can shed some light on
> this.
>
>
>
>
> Rod Boer
>
> Odyssey, #688
>
>
>
>