[C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat

[Irving Grunes]

Hi,
I sometimes put the loop over one of the horns and do a 360 degree turn with
the line
This locks the loop under the horn and only needs enough slack to slip the
line off the horn to release
Irv Grunes
#851

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Dennis Harris <dharris02 at embarqmail.com>
wrote:

> The one thing that tying up the way I do (with pretied lines and eye
> splices passed through the cleats and around the horns) does allow is quick
> placing of the lines at docking or quick removing of lines when undocking.
>  That's why I do it that way. Unless the water is out so far that the boat
> is hanging by the cleats, or the cross wind so high that you cannot gain a
> little slack (in which case you are unlikely to get boat in or out of the
> slip), getting the lines off the cleats is fast.  Just my opinion.
>
> Each boat owner should do whatever he wants.  My original point was simply
> that the Garhauer cleat appears from the picture to not allow passing the
> eye splice through the cleat and then around the horns for a very secure
> attachment of the line to the cleat, in the event that anyone might want to
> use this technique.  (Incidently, Chapman's illustration 6-25 in latest
> edition shows it this way along with the words that it is the most secure
> way to attach the eye to the cleat).  The more expensive Schaefer cleat
> allows such a placement.
>
> Dennis Harris  C #694
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <crashley at gte.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>
>
>  I was taught that it's also an issue if there is a fire on the dock or an
>> adjacent boat. Anyone trying to free a boat with lines attached this way
>> would probably not stick around long enough to undo the eye thru the cleat,
>> since it can be time consuming. I find that a simple locking cleat hitch on
>> the spring line works okay. I've also never had an eye come off of the cleat
>> on the boat. Of course, I'm sure it's possible.
>>
>> CRA
>> Rosebud #882
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>
>>
>>  Our marina requests that we do not secure dock lines by the eye splice.
>>> In storms when the tide rises above the finger pier where the dock end is
>>> attached, the staff must board the boats to ease the dock lines.  This can
>>> be difficult to impossible if the eye splice is tight on the cleat and the
>>> tide has the lines tight all around.  Seems like good advice to me.
>>>
>>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>>> C320, #62, 1994, "Warr De Mar"
>>> Frog Mortar Creek, Middle River
>>> Chesapeake Bay
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Harris" <
>>> dharris02 at embarqmail.com>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>>
>>>
>>>  >From the picture at the Carhauer web page, it would appear that you
>>>> >cannot
>>>> pass the eye of a mooring line though the middle of the cleat and then
>>>> around the horns to get a really secure attachment of a line with an eye
>>>> splice.  You can that with the Schaefer cleat.  This is not important
>>>> probably unless, like me, you like to preset your morning lines so all you
>>>> have to do is put the eye splices at ends of the mooring lines through the
>>>> cleats for really quick tying up after a returning to the dock.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis Harris C#694
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <crashley at gte.net>
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:55 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I bought some mid ship cleats from Garhauer a few years ago. I think
>>>>> they cost less than going to a store.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a link. I forget which one fit but it's easy to measure your
>>>>> track.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=78
>>>>>
>>>>> CRA
>>>>> Rosebud #882
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drshoffner" <drshoffner at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:02 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Richard A. Walker <dickwalker at att.net>
>>>>> Sent: May 19, 2008 12:59 PM
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>>>>
>>>>> The best source is Garhauer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Call them and indicate that you a C-320 member for a discount.  They
>>>>> are my
>>>>> 1st choice for most things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick Walker
>>>>> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>>>>> 740 Olive Ave.
>>>>> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>>>>> 619.435.8986
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Irving
>>>>> Grunes
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:34 AM
>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>>>>
>>>>> We got ours on ebay as well, try Defender or JSI to see if you can't
>>>>> get a
>>>>> deal.  The West Marine type stores want a big price for them.
>>>>> Irv Grunes
>>>>> 2001 #851
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Joe Abbagnaro <jabbagna at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I want to add a midship cleat to the Genoa track.
>>>>>> Anyone know the size of the track, and a good place to pickup one
>>>>>> of these cleats.  I found one made by schafer but not sure of  the
>>>>>> track size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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