[C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat

[Dennis Harris]

The one thing that tying up the way I do (with pretied lines and eye splices 
passed through the cleats and around the horns) does allow is quick placing 
of the lines at docking or quick removing of lines when undocking.  That's 
why I do it that way. Unless the water is out so far that the boat is 
hanging by the cleats, or the cross wind so high that you cannot gain a 
little slack (in which case you are unlikely to get boat in or out of the 
slip), getting the lines off the cleats is fast.  Just my opinion.

Each boat owner should do whatever he wants.  My original point was simply 
that the Garhauer cleat appears from the picture to not allow passing the 
eye splice through the cleat and then around the horns for a very secure 
attachment of the line to the cleat, in the event that anyone might want to 
use this technique.  (Incidently, Chapman's illustration 6-25 in latest 
edition shows it this way along with the words that it is the most secure 
way to attach the eye to the cleat).  The more expensive Schaefer cleat 
allows such a placement.

Dennis Harris  C #694

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <crashley at gte.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat


>I was taught that it's also an issue if there is a fire on the dock or an 
>adjacent boat. Anyone trying to free a boat with lines attached this way 
>would probably not stick around long enough to undo the eye thru the cleat, 
>since it can be time consuming. I find that a simple locking cleat hitch on 
>the spring line works okay. I've also never had an eye come off of the 
>cleat on the boat. Of course, I'm sure it's possible.
>
> CRA
> Rosebud #882
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Warren Updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
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>> Our marina requests that we do not secure dock lines by the eye splice. 
>> In storms when the tide rises above the finger pier where the dock end is 
>> attached, the staff must board the boats to ease the dock lines.  This 
>> can be difficult to impossible if the eye splice is tight on the cleat 
>> and the tide has the lines tight all around.  Seems like good advice to 
>> me.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> C320, #62, 1994, "Warr De Mar"
>> Frog Mortar Creek, Middle River
>> Chesapeake Bay
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dennis Harris" <dharris02 at embarqmail.com>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>
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>>> >From the picture at the Carhauer web page, it would appear that you 
>>> >cannot
>>> pass the eye of a mooring line though the middle of the cleat and then 
>>> around the horns to get a really secure attachment of a line with an eye 
>>> splice.  You can that with the Schaefer cleat.  This is not important 
>>> probably unless, like me, you like to preset your morning lines so all 
>>> you have to do is put the eye splices at ends of the mooring lines 
>>> through the cleats for really quick tying up after a returning to the 
>>> dock.
>>>
>>> Dennis Harris C#694
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <crashley at gte.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>>
>>>
>>>>I bought some mid ship cleats from Garhauer a few years ago. I think 
>>>>they cost less than going to a store.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a link. I forget which one fit but it's easy to measure your 
>>>> track.
>>>>
>>>> http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=78
>>>>
>>>> CRA
>>>> Rosebud #882
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "drshoffner" <drshoffner at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:02 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Richard A. Walker <dickwalker at att.net>
>>>> Sent: May 19, 2008 12:59 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>>>
>>>> The best source is Garhauer.
>>>>
>>>> Call them and indicate that you a C-320 member for a discount.  They 
>>>> are my
>>>> 1st choice for most things.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Dick Walker
>>>> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>>>> 740 Olive Ave.
>>>> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>>>> 619.435.8986
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Irving 
>>>> Grunes
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:34 AM
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Mid Ship Track Cleat
>>>>
>>>> We got ours on ebay as well, try Defender or JSI to see if you can't 
>>>> get a
>>>> deal.  The West Marine type stores want a big price for them.
>>>> Irv Grunes
>>>> 2001 #851
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Joe Abbagnaro <jabbagna at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I want to add a midship cleat to the Genoa track.
>>>>> Anyone know the size of the track, and a good place to pickup one
>>>>> of these cleats.  I found one made by schafer but not sure of  the
>>>>> track size.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
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