[C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow

Mon Sep 22 06:32:30 PDT 2008

Irv:

Thank you. The procedure you describe is exactly what I do now. (The gate 
plate does exist and is in place.) I'm just annoyed that the system doesn't 
work as it should -- that is, I should be able to raise the main without 
leaving the cockpit. When the water is choppy and the boat is rolling, I 
don't like the idea of wrestling with the sail while trying to maintain my 
balance.

jack

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow

> If you have crew, we find it much easier to have some one at the mast 
> raise
> the sail, and someone in the cockpit take up the halyard slack. Then winch
> the last few inches of halyard. Sometimes its called "jumping"  or 
> "Humping"
> the halyard.
> This presupposes that the gate plate Dennis describes is in place and
> adjusted properly.
>
> Irv Grunes
> 2001 Isle of Wight #851
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Dennis Harris 
> <dharris02 at embarqmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Jack,
>>
>>   It sounds as if your "sail gate" is missing.  On most boats with the
>> Charleston Spar mast, the opening where you insert the sail slugs is 
>> covered
>> by a small stainless steel plate, held in place with two thumb screws. 
>> With
>> these in place, there is no way that the sail slugs can fall out.  This 
>> part
>> is on the starboard side of the mast.  Once you get it adjusted, your 
>> sail
>> slugs will slide past this point satisfactorily.  I always head into the
>> wind when hoisting the mainsail, and make sure that the boat is headed 
>> such
>> that the boom and sail want to pull out to the port side just a little, 
>> so
>> that there is no pressure against the opening and the "sail gate".  This
>> plus occasionally spraying the sail slugs (slides) with McLube "Sail 
>> Kote"
>> should make raising the mainsail work well.  The parts that you need are
>> Charleston Spar sail gate #34201157009 and 2 tumb screws #28607604015. 
>> The
>> above relates to the standard factory setup.  You used the term "sail 
>> cars"
>> which suggests that your boat might have been modified with a different 
>> sail
>> slug/slide arrangement, and if so, then the above might not apply to your
>> particular boat.  Charleston Spar has a web site: 
>> www.charlestonspar.comThere phone number is 704 597 1502.  I have a 2000 
>> model and have never had
>> the problems that you described.  Hope this helps.
>>
>> Dennis Harris
>> C320 #694
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack McDonough" <
>> mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow
>>
>>
>>  We're in Tewksbury, Mass., but we sail out of the Jubilee Yacht Club in
>>> Beverly Harbor. We bought a 2003 Catalina 320 new after having a Cape 
>>> Dory
>>> 30 for a number of years. A fellow club member has a 2007 model that has
>>> many improvements over ours, including a different mast. We've had 
>>> nothing
>>> but trouble trying to raise and lower our main. The sail cars either jam 
>>> in
>>> the gate or fall out, negating the ability to raise the sail from the
>>> cockpit.
>>>
>>> Jack McDonough
>>> Sure Bet #947
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Seastream" <
>>> robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 5:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow
>>>
>>>
>>>  We're on one of four moorings off Hilton Park (just downriver of the
>>>> bridge over Dover Point) belonging to Great Bay Marine.
>>>> That way we don't have to wait for low tide, which is the only time we
>>>> can squeak under that bridge.
>>>> The run out to Portsmouth Harbor takes about an hour or less.  We 
>>>> still
>>>> try going with a fair tide.
>>>> You grew up in Dover?  Where are you these days?
>>>>
>>>> Bob Seastream
>>>> Intuition # 906
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Jack McDonough wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  If you come down through Portsmouth Harbor, you must start in Great 
>>>> Bay
>>>>> at Dover Point. (I grew up in Dover.) That's a long way in and  out, 
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> it? And Great Bay looks to have some swirly currents. And  the current 
>>>>> under
>>>>> those bridges in Portsmouth are swift, with a  capital S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Seastream" <
>>>>> robert.seastream at comcast.net
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 5:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  We have about an hour run to get downriver and out of Portsmouth 
>>>>> harbor
>>>>>> to offshore.  We run at 2400 for fuel economy, 3000 if we  have to 
>>>>>> hustle to
>>>>>> make the bridge openings.  3200 is the  continuous max rating for our 
>>>>>> Yanmar
>>>>>> 3GM30F.  Once or twice a  year, I run WOT (3600 rpm; coincides with 
>>>>>> the one
>>>>>> hour engine  rating) for about 15 minutes. Never had 'smoke' issues, 
>>>>>> however
>>>>>>  our engine only has about 300 hours on it. Engine temps range  from 
>>>>>> 160 to
>>>>>> 180 degrees farenheit under those respective conditions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Seastream
>>>>>> Intuition # 906
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Allan S. Field wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  We make sure that every time we run the engine, we run at 3,000  rpm
>>>>>>> for at
>>>>>>> least 5 minutes.  600 hours and no smoke although we intend to  pull
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> clean the elbow prophylactically this winter regardless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>>> Sea Shadow - #808
>>>>>>> Columbia, MD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>> Crosby
>>>>>>> Roper
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 5:42 PM
>>>>>>> To: c320-list at catalina320.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thought I'd pass this along for general lesson learned file. In 
>>>>>>> july
>>>>>>> on my
>>>>>>> way back from Catalina island to San Diego, I noticed that when I 
>>>>>>> ran
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> RPM's up to 3200, I got a bit of black/brown smoke from exhaust. 
>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>> water
>>>>>>> tanks were full and there was a bunch of stuff on board, I figured
>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>> just overloading the engine was the problem. On my next trip to
>>>>>>> catalina on
>>>>>>> Labor day, I noted smoke at 3000 RPM. To make a long story short, 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> problem progressed rap[idly over the next 30 hrs of engine use to 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>> where even at 2000 RPM i was seeing smoke. We limped back to the 
>>>>>>> slip
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> called mechanic ( to whom I had spoken while in Catalina and who 
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> advised
>>>>>>> me that problem was likely a clogged exhaust mixing elbow and OK  to
>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>> engine at low RPM as long as it was not producing smoke.) He came 
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Monday and problem was indeed exhaust mixing elbow. The engine is  3
>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>> old and has about 220 hrs on it. He admonished me for not using  the
>>>>>>> boat
>>>>>>> enough (in front of my wife, which should work out well for future
>>>>>>> sailing
>>>>>>> schedule) and for babying the engine. So, for anyone else who  tends
>>>>>>> to baby
>>>>>>> their diesel, run it frequently and run it hard. But we already know
>>>>>>> that!Crosby Roper, VMD
>>>>>>> Tethys # 1054
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 