[C320-list] Fuel Tanks
Henry LeSieur
hankles at sbcglobal.net
Thu Aug 27 09:21:32 PDT 2009
I recently spoke with Catalina Customer Service (Florida) about a replacement fuel sending unit. They referred me to Ezell Products who manufactures the tanks for Catalina. Their telephone number is 850-578-2558. I spoke with Terrance who was very helpful.
Hank LeSieur
#331
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1. Re: Catalina Customer Service (niedobre at aol.com)
2. Re: Mooring or Slip (bruceheyman at cox.net)
3. Re: Value of this forum (Paul Rickman)
4. Re: Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow (Paul Rickman)
5. Re: Whale Fittings (Paul Rickman)
6. Re: Mooring or Slip (Andrew Santangelo)
7. Re: Mooring or Slip (Pat Moriarty)
8. Re: Mooring or Slip (bruceheyman at cox.net)
9. Re: Mooring or Slip (Jim Sweet)
10. Re: Mooring or Slip (bruceheyman at cox.net)
11. Re: Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow (Jon Vez)
12. Re: Mooring or Slip (Jim Sweet)
13. Re: Mooring or Slip (Andrew Santangelo)
14. Re: Mooring or Slip (Mike Paris)
15. Re: Mooring or Slip (Rick Evans)
16. Re: Catalina Customer Service (Ken Danko)
17. Re: A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak (Ken Danko)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:36:28 -0400
From: niedobre at aol.com
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Customer Service
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Ken,
I found a guy to weld my tank for $20.00 and he even pressure tested it.? I would not buy a new tank if I didn't absolutely have to.? Mine was only leaking in the corner.
Gil
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:03 pm
Subject: [C320-list] Catalina Customer Service
Hi all,?
?
I would like to ask your advice on a customer service problem I am
currently experiencing. This is actually a continuation of the saga of
the leaky fuel tank. I found the leak, it was on the seam in the lower
corner. I called Catalina and said I wanted to order a new tank. The guy
I talked to took all my information and said that he would call me back,
he was going to check inventory, etc. A week went by and no call back. I
called again and got his voice mail. I left a message asking about the
status of my order. Another week went by with no call back. I called
again and was told that he was on the phone and would I like to leave a
message on his voice mail. I said no, and asked the woman to help me.
The man I originally talked to came on the line and said that he would
email me specs so that I could approve the order, he said that he wanted
to make sure that the tank fit. But I never got an email. So here it is
two weeks since I originally tried to order the tank and I still haven't
been able to place an order. It is prime sailing season. In my opinion
the weld on the tank was bad otherwise it should have lasted 20 years or
more. I am feeling like I should have bought a Beneteau. What should I do??
?
Ken Danko?
Grace, #802?
?
?
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:42:22 +0000
From: bruceheyman at cox.net
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
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Andrew,
What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
Bruce
Somerset 741 SoCal
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:57:10
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
Ahhh - the great mooring vs. slip debate
I have to say I am a boat slip person for many reasons:
* Very easy for crew to get on and off
* I am always training new crew. Dock is better for training for
newbies.
* Guests - easy for them to use the facilities, and even that last
minute run to the head (vs. filling up the holding tank on the boat
too quickly).
* Kids - easy for kids. Easy access to the play ground, stores, and
aforementioned head.
* Easier cleaning the boat. Crew also helps cleaning boat - having
access to dock, hose(s) etc. makes life so much easier.
* Dock AC power is fine and very cheap.
* Pressure water off dock is fine - no need to wear down the boat's
pressure water pump.
* Easy access to laundry facilities.
* No need to use launch/dingy all the time.
* Easier to have marina and fellow slip mates monitor and check on my
boat.
* Easier for boat servicing by myself and others
* Easier loading/unloading gear.
* Never had a problem docking. Never a concern.
Now a few more comments:
* The marinas I have been at have been very quiet. Even 4th of July -
by midnight it is dead. I use and live on my boat a lot and to be
honest most of the time the marinas are dead silent except for sea
gulls and such. Which adds to my surprise statement - there was some
concern keeping my boat at Pier 39 on Fisherman's Wharf in downtown
San Francisco. The crowds, the noise and the mayhem. The truth be
told - at the marina it is very quiet. Shockingly quiet. I would
never know I am in a big city. As a matter of fact, in the morning
going to work it seems very few people are in SFO. Does any one work
before 10:00 AM there???? Also does anyone use their boats there?
There are a few live a boards, quiet and very nice, but otherwise the
boats just sit and do nothing. So no one will convince me it is
loud and rowdy at the marinas I have been at. Rarely see any of it.
* Cost. Yes moorings are cheap, but slips are not that bad. I pay
under $400/month and it includes $3/day for parking in downtown SFO.
That is everything - water, electric, slip. Heck, one cannot park
that cheap in SFO! In Michigan it averaged about $400/month and that
included the yacht club membership. Either way, this cost is not bad
for all the added perks, convenience and time savings.
Lastly, I have been a die hard sailor for 26 seasons, and for me the
slip is the only way to go. Do I anchor and explore, certainly. But
the main base is a slip. Keeps it easy for crew, family, friends,
newbies and "Dawn Treader".
Best Regards,
Andrew
C320 "Dawn Treader"
#333
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Rickman <ilove2sail at verizon.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Value of this forum
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I am wondering if the clamp should be moved from time to time, this to prevent wearing throug the
cable casing???
Paul
Affinity 657
Bay Bridge Marina
________________________________
From: Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com>
To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:07:48 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Value of this forum
A couple of years ago mine was doing the same thing - the throttle lever would not stay above 2300. We tightened the bolt slightly and the problem was solved. It is sort of like a c-clamp and it presses on the cable casing. Mine is accessable from the aft engine compartment.
Mike P
734
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Bill Sloane <southsoundbill at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Are you saying I make the adjustment at the engine and do not need to take
> off the compass?
>
> Bill.
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is clamp on the throttle cable down at the engine that adjusts the
>> tension by turning a bolt that puts pressure on the cable. Have someone
>> adjust the tension on the bolt while you move the throttle lever to set it
>> how you would like it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Bill Sloane <southsoundbill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree too.? My throttle problem is a little different.? Above 2,000
>>> RPM's,
>>> the throttle will fall back to a lower speed. To cruise at 2,500 RPM's or
>>> above, I have to tie the throttle to the vertical post of the NavPod with
>>> a
>>> small rope.? I am thinking that if I take the compass off the housing,
>>> there
>>> must be a nut to tighten to keep this from happening.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> No. 554
>>> 'Endless Summer'
>>> Olympia WA
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Rick Evans <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gil
>>>>
>>>> I agree about the value of the group. I had that problem for a whole
>>>> season
>>>> before I decided to ask the group. It even resulted in me Shearing a
>>>> throttle lever bolt. I also assumed it was the cable but I asked here
>>>> first
>>>> and was amazed.
>>>>
>>>> Saved money and most likely two days upside down in some not very fun
>>>> positions.
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>> 724
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: niedobre at aol.com
>>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:36:25
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Value of this forum
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Less than 2 hours ago I asked for some information about a throttle cable
>>>> that was seized.? I assumed the cable was the problem.? I was advised
>>>> within
>>>> less than an hour to disconnect the cable and check the linkage on the
>>>> engine by two members who had the same problem.
>>>>
>>>> I ran down to the boat to take their advice.? The cable was not seized,
>>>> the
>>>> linkage to the engine was the problem.? I sprayed some corrosion buster
>>>> on
>>>> the lever linkage worked it up and down and now it is fixed.? I was ready
>>>> to
>>>> buy a new cable and replace it.
>>>>
>>>> Saved time and $$$$$.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gil s/v Amara #731
>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:16:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Rickman <ilove2sail at verizon.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
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I recently found a welder who repaired the pin hole but he did caution that this was temporary
but probably would get me through the season and winter storage. So this winter I plan to
either get a new one made from Catalina or buy the standard Yanmar parts. I have a question
about the putting the parts together. Is it necessary to put anything on the threads when fitting
them together?
Thanks,
Paul
Affinity 657
Bay Bridge Marina
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From: Jon Vez <jonvez at comcast.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:13:11 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
Walter, you have two options--you can send your current elbow to Catalina
and they will make you a new one. Unbelievably (especially for a production
boat), they don't have these on the shelf and apparently they are all
slightly different.
The other option is to 'convert' to a yanmar standard set up, which are used
on newer hulls. If you buy a yanmar stock setup (from a Yanmar distributor),
you need to buy 3 pieces--the riser, a connector and the elbow. Be careful
though as most of the Catalina custom elbows are 1 5/8" and the standard
Yanmar is 2"? If you take this route, you have to adapt to your muffler
intake (where the hose attaches from the exhaust), which will match the 1
5/8" hose diameter. Hope this helps...
Regards,
Jon Vez
Solstice #582
-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Walter
Schaffer
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:02 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
Can anyone tell me how I can get a new Catalina Custom Exhaust Elblow. Mine
has developed a pin hole is is rusting bad... There is a pix of one on the
Assn. wedsite under tech notes. ?I contacted local Yanmar dealer in
Annapolis... and was told they have no such part.After taking heat packing
off mixing elbow, it looks like it connects on engine end to a simple
exhaust elbow. And the other end hooks to muffler hose.... Engine water
enters horse shoe mixing elbow...If anyone has dealt with replacement, I
would appreciate some info.Thanks, Walt Schaffer Bohemian II, #515
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:42:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Rickman <ilove2sail at verizon.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Whale Fittings
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In this same area, just off that short hose and quick connect fitting is a short backflow preventer (Whale) that
then fits into another quick connect fitting, both Whale. I've replaced the two quick connect fittings
but not the back flow prevener which is the same diameter as the reqular water line. Just at the end of a two day cruise, the back flow preventer blew out of the "T" connector. This is the third time this has happened. Apparently Whale has changed the back flow, it is shorter and just won't work with my set up. Have any
of you had this experience and do you have a solution for it? Do you think extending the length of hose
would be a good fix? (to get it away from the heat) I've tried working with the West Marine Store in Annapolis just off Forrest Drive, but most of the Whale fittings there are in a box marked "quick connect"
sitting on a high shelf and no on display. They don't really seem interested in working with the customer on
this sort of problem.
IMHO the heat here may have something to do with the blow out. But it has worked for many years.
My experience is the same with the newer fittings, no cap, no C spacer.
Thanks,
Paul
Affinity 657
Bay Bridge Marina
________________________________
From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:04:01 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Whale Fittings
BTW, right at the start of this summers 2 week 'mini cruise' to Maine, I had to replace the short (2 inch?) piece of hose at the hot water heater you mention.? Goodness knows why Catalina used such a short length.? Interesting chore while underway.? THIS time, I replaced it with a 6 inch length of hose (keeping another 6 inch piece as spare), figuring if either end leaked again, I'd have room to cut the bad section away without replacing the whole run.? It also made working with the overall assembly easier.
Bob Seastream
Intuition # 906
On Aug 24, 2009, at 11:36 AM, BAdams3491 at aol.com wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the tip.? Yesterday I did what you suggested...in? fact I left
> the cap off since it really does not do anything.? Worked? great.
>
> Bert
> At Ease
> #442
>
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2009 8:27:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> djgleason1 at juno.com writes:
>
> Bert:
>
> I have experienced a similar problem with one of the? fittings.? The cap
> is there to keep the "C" spacer in place so that it? does not come off
> accidently.? What I have done is to break the cap to? remove the C spacer.
> When I reinstalled the fitting, I simply wrapped a? piece of tape around
> the fitting to keep the "C" spacer in place.? I? note that the replacement
> fittings I have used no longer use the Cap or the? "C" spacer.
>
> Dave Gleason
> Proud Mary, #150
>
>
> On Sun, 16 Aug? 2009 12:40:12 EDT BAdams3491 at aol.com writes:
>> I have the standard 15mm? Whale fittings on my fresh water? system.
>> They
>> all come apart as they should except the two 90 degree? fittings
>> that go into
>> the hot water heater.? The connection away from? the? heater pops off
>> as
>> normal with the cap that? secures it sliding away from the
>> connection.? However
>> the side that connects to the water heater will not? come? off...hot
>> and cold
>> same problem.? The cap will not? 'pop' off.? When I try to pop it
>> off with
>> a small? screw driver, it will come partially off? at that one point,
>> but
>> that's all.? It's off far enough so the cap that? should? come off is
>> tight
>> enough so that it cannot be turned so I? can get at the? other
>> opening on the
>> opposite side to? try to get it off.? The other? problem is that the
>> fitting? is
>> so close to the heater that there is not enough? room for the? cap to
>> slide
>> back ...which appears to be why it won't pop? off in? the first
>> place.
>>
>> Any suggestions? certainly appreciated.? Thanks.
>>
>> Bert
>> At? Ease
>> #442
>>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:07:33 -0600
From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
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Bruce,
The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
surprised.
Andrew
C320 "Dawn Treader"
#333
On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> Andrew,
> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> Bruce
> Somerset 741 SoCal
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:17:07 -0500
From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
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Latitude 38 ran a slip cost around the Bay a few years back and I was
shocked to find several places were less than I pay on a lake in
Texas but at over $500 you go me beat.
Pat #130
At 09:07 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
>Bruce,
>
>The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
>
>To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
>surprised.
>
>Andrew
>C320 "Dawn Treader"
>#333
>
>
>On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>
>>Andrew,
>>What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
>>allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
>>true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
>>Bruce
>>Somerset 741 SoCal
>>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
Pat Moriarty
PSI Urethanes Inc
PH: 800-888-5156 Fax: 512-837-8733
Please visit our web site at
www.psiurethanes.com
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:18:42 +0000
From: bruceheyman at cox.net
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
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Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including electric.
Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
Bruce
Somerset SoCal
------Original Message------
From: Andrew Santangelo
Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
Bruce,
The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
surprised.
Andrew
C320 "Dawn Treader"
#333
On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> Andrew,
> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> Bruce
> Somerset 741 SoCal
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:32:24 -0500
From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
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reply-type=original
Our slip @ the Sodus Bay Yacht club is $1200 per season so it's about $200
per month. That's on Lake Ontario and it's pretty representative of the
costs locally.
Jim Sweet
TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
----- Original Message -----
From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including electric.
> Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
> Bruce
> Somerset SoCal
> ------Original Message------
> From: Andrew Santangelo
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
>
> Bruce,
>
> The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
>
> To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> surprised.
>
> Andrew
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
>> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
>> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 741 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:37:09 +0000
From: bruceheyman at cox.net
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
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Jim,
Floating docks?
Bruce
Somerset 671 SoCal
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:32:24
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
Our slip @ the Sodus Bay Yacht club is $1200 per season so it's about $200
per month. That's on Lake Ontario and it's pretty representative of the
costs locally.
Jim Sweet
TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
----- Original Message -----
From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including electric.
> Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
> Bruce
> Somerset SoCal
> ------Original Message------
> From: Andrew Santangelo
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
>
> Bruce,
>
> The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
>
> To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> surprised.
>
> Andrew
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
>> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
>> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 741 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:38:19 -0400
From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
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Just as an FYI on the repair or replace discussion. When I replaced mine, I
found that Catalina has gone with a thicker gauge aluminum. It's sounding
more and more like the front corner leak is/was a systemic issue as that is
where mine appeared...
Regards,
Jon Vez
Solstice #582
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rickman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:17 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
I recently found a welder who repaired the pin hole but he did caution that
this was temporary
but probably would get me through the season and winter storage. So this
winter I plan to
either get a new one made from Catalina or buy the standard Yanmar parts. I
have a question
about the putting the parts together. Is it necessary to put anything on the
threads when fitting
them together?
Thanks,
Paul
Affinity 657
Bay Bridge Marina
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From: Jon Vez <jonvez at comcast.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:13:11 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
Walter, you have two options--you can send your current elbow to Catalina
and they will make you a new one. Unbelievably (especially for a production
boat), they don't have these on the shelf and apparently they are all
slightly different.
The other option is to 'convert' to a yanmar standard set up, which are used
on newer hulls. If you buy a yanmar stock setup (from a Yanmar distributor),
you need to buy 3 pieces--the riser, a connector and the elbow. Be careful
though as most of the Catalina custom elbows are 1 5/8" and the standard
Yanmar is 2"? If you take this route, you have to adapt to your muffler
intake (where the hose attaches from the exhaust), which will match the 1
5/8" hose diameter. Hope this helps...
Regards,
Jon Vez
Solstice #582
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Walter
Schaffer
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:02 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
Can anyone tell me how I can get a new Catalina Custom Exhaust Elblow. Mine
has developed a pin hole is is rusting bad... There is a pix of one on the
Assn. wedsite under tech notes. ?I contacted local Yanmar dealer in
Annapolis... and was told they have no such part.After taking heat packing
off mixing elbow, it looks like it connects on engine end to a simple
exhaust elbow. And the other end hooks to muffler hose.... Engine water
enters horse shoe mixing elbow...If anyone has dealt with replacement, I
would appreciate some info.Thanks, Walt Schaffer Bohemian II, #515
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:52:35 -0500
From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
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Yep. The bad news is we need to pull them Oct 15th for the season because
the bay we're on ices up in the winter.
----- Original Message -----
From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Jim,
> Floating docks?
> Bruce
> Somerset 671 SoCal
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
>
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:32:24
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
>
>
> Our slip @ the Sodus Bay Yacht club is $1200 per season so it's about $200
> per month. That's on Lake Ontario and it's pretty representative of the
> costs locally.
>
> Jim Sweet
> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
>
>
>> Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including electric.
>> Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
>> Bruce
>> Somerset SoCal
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Andrew Santangelo
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
>> Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
>>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
>>
>> To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
>> surprised.
>>
>> Andrew
>> C320 "Dawn Treader"
>> #333
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
>>> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
>>> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
>>> Bruce
>>> Somerset 741 SoCal
>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:56:08 -0600
From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
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On Lake Michigan on the Michigan side a slip, with haul out and winter
storage costs included, would run an average of $400 - $550/month.
Now you can keep the boat in the water in the winter with bubblers
running saving you money, however the wear and tear is not worth it.
Of course the bonus here in SFO is sailing all year long (same for FL,
So Cal, Texas, etc). No haul outs for the winter. The big pain I am
learning - salt water does age a boat. :-(
-- Andrew
On Aug 27, 2009, at 8:18 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including
> electric.
> Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
> Bruce
> Somerset SoCal
> ------Original Message------
> From: Andrew Santangelo
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
>
> Bruce,
>
> The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
>
> To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> surprised.
>
> Andrew
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
>> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
>> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 741 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:06:31 -0700
From: Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com>
To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
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My slip (35') at Alamitos Bay in Long Beach (S. Cal) is $370 and this
includes utilities.
Mike P
734
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 27, 2009, at 5:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> Andrew,
> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> Bruce
> Somerset 741 SoCal
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:57:10
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
>
>
> Ahhh - the great mooring vs. slip debate
>
> I have to say I am a boat slip person for many reasons:
>
> * Very easy for crew to get on and off
> * I am always training new crew. Dock is better for training for
> newbies.
> * Guests - easy for them to use the facilities, and even that last
> minute run to the head (vs. filling up the holding tank on the boat
> too quickly).
> * Kids - easy for kids. Easy access to the play ground, stores, and
> aforementioned head.
> * Easier cleaning the boat. Crew also helps cleaning boat - having
> access to dock, hose(s) etc. makes life so much easier.
> * Dock AC power is fine and very cheap.
> * Pressure water off dock is fine - no need to wear down the boat's
> pressure water pump.
> * Easy access to laundry facilities.
> * No need to use launch/dingy all the time.
> * Easier to have marina and fellow slip mates monitor and check on my
> boat.
> * Easier for boat servicing by myself and others
> * Easier loading/unloading gear.
> * Never had a problem docking. Never a concern.
>
> Now a few more comments:
>
> * The marinas I have been at have been very quiet. Even 4th of July -
> by midnight it is dead. I use and live on my boat a lot and to be
> honest most of the time the marinas are dead silent except for sea
> gulls and such. Which adds to my surprise statement - there was some
> concern keeping my boat at Pier 39 on Fisherman's Wharf in downtown
> San Francisco. The crowds, the noise and the mayhem. The truth be
> told - at the marina it is very quiet. Shockingly quiet. I would
> never know I am in a big city. As a matter of fact, in the morning
> going to work it seems very few people are in SFO. Does any one work
> before 10:00 AM there???? Also does anyone use their boats there?
> There are a few live a boards, quiet and very nice, but otherwise the
> boats just sit and do nothing. So no one will convince me it is
> loud and rowdy at the marinas I have been at. Rarely see any of it.
>
> * Cost. Yes moorings are cheap, but slips are not that bad. I pay
> under $400/month and it includes $3/day for parking in downtown SFO.
> That is everything - water, electric, slip. Heck, one cannot park
> that cheap in SFO! In Michigan it averaged about $400/month and that
> included the yacht club membership. Either way, this cost is not bad
> for all the added perks, convenience and time savings.
>
> Lastly, I have been a die hard sailor for 26 seasons, and for me the
> slip is the only way to go. Do I anchor and explore, certainly. But
> the main base is a slip. Keeps it easy for crew, family, friends,
> newbies and "Dawn Treader".
>
> Best Regards,
> Andrew
>
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:12:28 +0000
From: "Rick Evans" <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
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As for aging a boat. Its 6 of one half a dozen of another as they say.
Keeping the boat in the water all the time is much better for a boat structurally. All the loads and pressures are placed on the right stringers and stress factors of the boat.
Out of the water especially here in NY the boat sits on stands and with the extreme temperature fluctuations the boat and materials expand and contract while the ground and the boat stands don't.
This is evident to me in the winter on the hard when I go to my boat and the rear state room door doesn't close and the bilge is hard to remove etc.
I'm sure leaving it the water is harder on the finishes but its easier on the structure.
Plus I wish I could sail all year long.
Rick 724
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:56:08
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
On Lake Michigan on the Michigan side a slip, with haul out and winter
storage costs included, would run an average of $400 - $550/month.
Now you can keep the boat in the water in the winter with bubblers
running saving you money, however the wear and tear is not worth it.
Of course the bonus here in SFO is sailing all year long (same for FL,
So Cal, Texas, etc). No haul outs for the winter. The big pain I am
learning - salt water does age a boat. :-(
-- Andrew
On Aug 27, 2009, at 8:18 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including
> electric.
> Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
> Bruce
> Somerset SoCal
> ------Original Message------
> From: Andrew Santangelo
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
>
> Bruce,
>
> The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
>
> To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> surprised.
>
> Andrew
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
>> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
>> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 741 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:09:01 -0700
From: Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Customer Service
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I'm a little hesitant to call Frank Butler. I don't want to be a
troublesome customer and I don't want to get anyone in trouble but I
sure would like to have a new fuel tank delivered in a timely manner. I
emailed my broker who emailed someone at Catalina. So we will see. It
has been over two weeks since I first called Catalina to order a tank
and I still haven't been able to place an order.
Chris Burti wrote:
> Call Catalina in California and ask to speak with Frank Butler. He will
> speak with you or will definitely return your call within a couple of days
> at most...usually faster. Tell him what you told us as politley as you told
> us and ask for his assitance.
>
> I found him to be a great customer service rep...unusual in that it is his
> company ane he is the CEO...
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would like to ask your advice on a customer service problem I am
>> currently experiencing. This is actually a continuation of the saga of the
>> leaky fuel tank. I found the leak, it was on the seam in the lower corner. I
>> called Catalina and said I wanted to order a new tank. The guy I talked to
>> took all my information and said that he would call me back, he was going to
>> check inventory, etc. A week went by and no call back. I called again and
>> got his voice mail. I left a message asking about the status of my order.
>> Another week went by with no call back. I called again and was told that he
>> was on the phone and would I like to leave a message on his voice mail. I
>> said no, and asked the woman to help me. The man I originally talked to came
>> on the line and said that he would email me specs so that I could approve
>> the order, he said that he wanted to make sure that the tank fit. But I
>> never got an email. So here it is two weeks since I originally tried to
>> order the tank and I still haven't been able to place an order. It is prime
>> sailing season. In my opinion the weld on the tank was bad otherwise it
>> should have lasted 20 years or more. I am feeling like I should have bought
>> a Beneteau. What should I do?
>>
>> Ken Danko
>> Grace, #802
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:11:40 -0700
From: Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
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Larry:
I'm starting to get desperate enough to try a fix like this. Everyone I
talk to at various boat yards tells me that these solutions are only
temporary and that the tank will develop a new leak soon after fixing
the old leak.
The problem as I see it is the great effort it takes to replace tanks. I
really don't want to do it twice if I can help it.
Ken
Melissa&Larry Leibman wrote:
> Ken,
>
> If you know you are going to replace the tank anyway, I'm wondering if a repair product like the one at the link below would be a temporary fix just to keep you sailing in the meantime:
>
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1297554&kw=gas+tank&origkw=gas+tank&searchId=43201106574
>
> Not sure if this particular one is good for diesel but they must have similar stuff for that.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
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