[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 548, Issue 2
Thomas Page
pagethomasa at gmail.com
Thu Aug 27 13:13:51 PDT 2009
Boston slip vs Mooring
I am on a mooring in Boston Harbor cost me $2600 for the season
For a slip at Constitution Marina adjacent to Boston, it would have been
$5544 for season
Slip in Marina in Boston harbor would have been $6435 for season
Next year I will be getting a slip at constitution marina, anyone in the
group docking over there?
Tom Page
Jeannette III Hull #1138
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> 1. Re: Catalina Customer Service (niedobre at aol.com)
> 2. Re: Mooring or Slip (bruceheyman at cox.net)
> 3. Re: Value of this forum (Paul Rickman)
> 4. Re: Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow (Paul Rickman)
> 5. Re: Whale Fittings (Paul Rickman)
> 6. Re: Mooring or Slip (Andrew Santangelo)
> 7. Re: Mooring or Slip (Pat Moriarty)
> 8. Re: Mooring or Slip (bruceheyman at cox.net)
> 9. Re: Mooring or Slip (Jim Sweet)
> 10. Re: Mooring or Slip (bruceheyman at cox.net)
> 11. Re: Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow (Jon Vez)
> 12. Re: Mooring or Slip (Jim Sweet)
> 13. Re: Mooring or Slip (Andrew Santangelo)
> 14. Re: Mooring or Slip (Mike Paris)
> 15. Re: Mooring or Slip (Rick Evans)
> 16. Re: Catalina Customer Service (Ken Danko)
> 17. Re: A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak (Ken Danko)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:36:28 -0400
> From: niedobre at aol.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Customer Service
> Message-ID: <8CBF52A21DB6474-2E08-11836 at webmail-d019.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Ken,
> I found a guy to weld my tank for $20.00 and he even pressure tested it.? I
> would not buy a new tank if I didn't absolutely have to.? Mine was only
> leaking in the corner.
> Gil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:03 pm
> Subject: [C320-list] Catalina Customer Service
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,?
> ?
>
> I would like to ask your advice on a customer service problem I am
> currently experiencing. This is actually a continuation of the saga of
> the leaky fuel tank. I found the leak, it was on the seam in the lower
> corner. I called Catalina and said I wanted to order a new tank. The guy
> I talked to took all my information and said that he would call me back,
> he was going to check inventory, etc. A week went by and no call back. I
> called again and got his voice mail. I left a message asking about the
> status of my order. Another week went by with no call back. I called
> again and was told that he was on the phone and would I like to leave a
> message on his voice mail. I said no, and asked the woman to help me.
> The man I originally talked to came on the line and said that he would
> email me specs so that I could approve the order, he said that he wanted
> to make sure that the tank fit. But I never got an email. So here it is
> two weeks since I originally tried to order the tank and I still haven't
> been able to place an order. It is prime sailing season. In my opinion
> the weld on the tank was bad otherwise it should have lasted 20 years or
> more. I am feeling like I should have bought a Beneteau. What should I do??
> ?
>
> Ken Danko?
>
> Grace, #802?
> ?
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> ?
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:42:22 +0000
> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Message-ID:
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> Andrew,
> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the allowed 3'
> overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is true that No CA is
> cheaper than So CA.
> Bruce
> Somerset 741 SoCal
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:57:10
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
>
>
> Ahhh - the great mooring vs. slip debate
>
> I have to say I am a boat slip person for many reasons:
>
> * Very easy for crew to get on and off
> * I am always training new crew. Dock is better for training for
> newbies.
> * Guests - easy for them to use the facilities, and even that last
> minute run to the head (vs. filling up the holding tank on the boat
> too quickly).
> * Kids - easy for kids. Easy access to the play ground, stores, and
> aforementioned head.
> * Easier cleaning the boat. Crew also helps cleaning boat - having
> access to dock, hose(s) etc. makes life so much easier.
> * Dock AC power is fine and very cheap.
> * Pressure water off dock is fine - no need to wear down the boat's
> pressure water pump.
> * Easy access to laundry facilities.
> * No need to use launch/dingy all the time.
> * Easier to have marina and fellow slip mates monitor and check on my
> boat.
> * Easier for boat servicing by myself and others
> * Easier loading/unloading gear.
> * Never had a problem docking. Never a concern.
>
> Now a few more comments:
>
> * The marinas I have been at have been very quiet. Even 4th of July -
> by midnight it is dead. I use and live on my boat a lot and to be
> honest most of the time the marinas are dead silent except for sea
> gulls and such. Which adds to my surprise statement - there was some
> concern keeping my boat at Pier 39 on Fisherman's Wharf in downtown
> San Francisco. The crowds, the noise and the mayhem. The truth be
> told - at the marina it is very quiet. Shockingly quiet. I would
> never know I am in a big city. As a matter of fact, in the morning
> going to work it seems very few people are in SFO. Does any one work
> before 10:00 AM there???? Also does anyone use their boats there?
> There are a few live a boards, quiet and very nice, but otherwise the
> boats just sit and do nothing. So no one will convince me it is
> loud and rowdy at the marinas I have been at. Rarely see any of it.
>
> * Cost. Yes moorings are cheap, but slips are not that bad. I pay
> under $400/month and it includes $3/day for parking in downtown SFO.
> That is everything - water, electric, slip. Heck, one cannot park
> that cheap in SFO! In Michigan it averaged about $400/month and that
> included the yacht club membership. Either way, this cost is not bad
> for all the added perks, convenience and time savings.
>
> Lastly, I have been a die hard sailor for 26 seasons, and for me the
> slip is the only way to go. Do I anchor and explore, certainly. But
> the main base is a slip. Keeps it easy for crew, family, friends,
> newbies and "Dawn Treader".
>
> Best Regards,
> Andrew
>
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Rickman <ilove2sail at verizon.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Value of this forum
> Message-ID: <170857.82620.qm at web84305.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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> I am wondering if the clamp should be moved from time to time, this to
> prevent wearing throug the
> cable casing???
>
> Paul
> Affinity 657
> Bay Bridge Marina
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:07:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Value of this forum
>
> A couple of years ago mine was doing the same thing - the throttle lever
> would not stay above 2300. We tightened the bolt slightly and the problem
> was solved. It is sort of like a c-clamp and it presses on the cable casing.
> Mine is accessable from the aft engine compartment.
>
> Mike P
> 734
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Bill Sloane <southsoundbill at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Are you saying I make the adjustment at the engine and do not need to
> take
> > off the compass?
> >
> > Bill.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> There is clamp on the throttle cable down at the engine that adjusts the
> >> tension by turning a bolt that puts pressure on the cable. Have someone
> >> adjust the tension on the bolt while you move the throttle lever to set
> it
> >> how you would like it.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Bill Sloane <southsoundbill at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree too.? My throttle problem is a little different.? Above 2,000
> >>> RPM's,
> >>> the throttle will fall back to a lower speed. To cruise at 2,500 RPM's
> or
> >>> above, I have to tie the throttle to the vertical post of the NavPod
> with
> >>> a
> >>> small rope.? I am thinking that if I take the compass off the housing,
> >>> there
> >>> must be a nut to tighten to keep this from happening.
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >>> No. 554
> >>> 'Endless Summer'
> >>> Olympia WA
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Rick Evans <
> ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Gil
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree about the value of the group. I had that problem for a whole
> >>>> season
> >>>> before I decided to ask the group. It even resulted in me Shearing a
> >>>> throttle lever bolt. I also assumed it was the cable but I asked here
> >>>> first
> >>>> and was amazed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Saved money and most likely two days upside down in some not very fun
> >>>> positions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick
> >>>> 724
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: niedobre at aol.com
> >>>>
> >>>> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:36:25
> >>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> >>>> Subject: [C320-list] Value of this forum
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Less than 2 hours ago I asked for some information about a throttle
> cable
> >>>> that was seized.? I assumed the cable was the problem.? I was advised
> >>>> within
> >>>> less than an hour to disconnect the cable and check the linkage on the
> >>>> engine by two members who had the same problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> I ran down to the boat to take their advice.? The cable was not
> seized,
> >>>> the
> >>>> linkage to the engine was the problem.? I sprayed some corrosion
> buster
> >>>> on
> >>>> the lever linkage worked it up and down and now it is fixed.? I was
> ready
> >>>> to
> >>>> buy a new cable and replace it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Saved time and $$$$$.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Gil s/v Amara #731
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:16:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Rickman <ilove2sail at verizon.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
> Message-ID: <61483.46513.qm at web84304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I recently found a welder who repaired the pin hole but he did caution that
> this was temporary
> but probably would get me through the season and winter storage. So this
> winter I plan to
> either get a new one made from Catalina or buy the standard Yanmar parts. I
> have a question
> about the putting the parts together. Is it necessary to put anything on
> the threads when fitting
> them together?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
> Affinity 657
> Bay Bridge Marina
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jon Vez <jonvez at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:13:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
>
> Walter, you have two options--you can send your current elbow to Catalina
> and they will make you a new one. Unbelievably (especially for a production
> boat), they don't have these on the shelf and apparently they are all
> slightly different.
> The other option is to 'convert' to a yanmar standard set up, which are
> used
> on newer hulls. If you buy a yanmar stock setup (from a Yanmar
> distributor),
> you need to buy 3 pieces--the riser, a connector and the elbow. Be careful
> though as most of the Catalina custom elbows are 1 5/8" and the standard
> Yanmar is 2"? If you take this route, you have to adapt to your muffler
> intake (where the hose attaches from the exhaust), which will match the 1
> 5/8" hose diameter. Hope this helps...
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Vez
> Solstice #582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Walter
> Schaffer
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:02 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
>
> Can anyone tell me how I can get a new Catalina Custom Exhaust Elblow. Mine
> has developed a pin hole is is rusting bad... There is a pix of one on the
> Assn. wedsite under tech notes. ?I contacted local Yanmar dealer in
> Annapolis... and was told they have no such part.After taking heat packing
> off mixing elbow, it looks like it connects on engine end to a simple
> exhaust elbow. And the other end hooks to muffler hose.... Engine water
> enters horse shoe mixing elbow...If anyone has dealt with replacement, I
> would appreciate some info.Thanks, Walt Schaffer Bohemian II, #515
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:42:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Rickman <ilove2sail at verizon.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Whale Fittings
> Message-ID: <17285.11488.qm at web84303.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> In this same area, just off that short hose and quick connect fitting is a
> short backflow preventer (Whale) that
> then fits into another quick connect fitting, both Whale. I've replaced the
> two quick connect fittings
> but not the back flow prevener which is the same diameter as the reqular
> water line. Just at the end of a two day cruise, the back flow preventer
> blew out of the "T" connector. This is the third time this has happened.
> Apparently Whale has changed the back flow, it is shorter and just won't
> work with my set up. Have any
> of you had this experience and do you have a solution for it? Do you think
> extending the length of hose
> would be a good fix? (to get it away from the heat) I've tried working with
> the West Marine Store in Annapolis just off Forrest Drive, but most of the
> Whale fittings there are in a box marked "quick connect"
> sitting on a high shelf and no on display. They don't really seem
> interested in working with the customer on
> this sort of problem.
>
> IMHO the heat here may have something to do with the blow out. But it has
> worked for many years.
> My experience is the same with the newer fittings, no cap, no C spacer.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
> Affinity 657
> Bay Bridge Marina
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:04:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Whale Fittings
>
> BTW, right at the start of this summers 2 week 'mini cruise' to Maine, I
> had to replace the short (2 inch?) piece of hose at the hot water heater you
> mention.? Goodness knows why Catalina used such a short length.? Interesting
> chore while underway.? THIS time, I replaced it with a 6 inch length of hose
> (keeping another 6 inch piece as spare), figuring if either end leaked
> again, I'd have room to cut the bad section away without replacing the whole
> run.? It also made working with the overall assembly easier.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2009, at 11:36 AM, BAdams3491 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > Thanks for the tip.? Yesterday I did what you suggested...in? fact I left
> > the cap off since it really does not do anything.? Worked? great.
> >
> > Bert
> > At Ease
> > #442
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/18/2009 8:27:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > djgleason1 at juno.com writes:
> >
> > Bert:
> >
> > I have experienced a similar problem with one of the? fittings.? The cap
> > is there to keep the "C" spacer in place so that it? does not come off
> > accidently.? What I have done is to break the cap to? remove the C
> spacer.
> > When I reinstalled the fitting, I simply wrapped a? piece of tape around
> > the fitting to keep the "C" spacer in place.? I? note that the
> replacement
> > fittings I have used no longer use the Cap or the? "C" spacer.
> >
> > Dave Gleason
> > Proud Mary, #150
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 16 Aug? 2009 12:40:12 EDT BAdams3491 at aol.com writes:
> >> I have the standard 15mm? Whale fittings on my fresh water? system.
> >> They
> >> all come apart as they should except the two 90 degree? fittings
> >> that go into
> >> the hot water heater.? The connection away from? the? heater pops off
> >> as
> >> normal with the cap that? secures it sliding away from the
> >> connection.? However
> >> the side that connects to the water heater will not? come? off...hot
> >> and cold
> >> same problem.? The cap will not? 'pop' off.? When I try to pop it
> >> off with
> >> a small? screw driver, it will come partially off? at that one point,
> >> but
> >> that's all.? It's off far enough so the cap that? should? come off is
> >> tight
> >> enough so that it cannot be turned so I? can get at the? other
> >> opening on the
> >> opposite side to? try to get it off.? The other? problem is that the
> >> fitting? is
> >> so close to the heater that there is not enough? room for the? cap to
> >> slide
> >> back ...which appears to be why it won't pop? off in? the first
> >> place.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions? certainly appreciated.? Thanks.
> >>
> >> Bert
> >> At? Ease
> >> #442
> >>
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:07:33 -0600
> From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Message-ID: <45A92CC9-DDD8-49D2-B5BC-DC3D125FF0AC at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Bruce,
>
> The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
>
> To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> surprised.
>
> Andrew
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> > What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> > allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> > true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> > Bruce
> > Somerset 741 SoCal
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:17:07 -0500
> From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Message-ID: <20090827141710.449112000E75 at proxy0.logixcom.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Latitude 38 ran a slip cost around the Bay a few years back and I was
> shocked to find several places were less than I pay on a lake in
> Texas but at over $500 you go me beat.
>
> Pat #130
>
>
> At 09:07 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
> >Bruce,
> >
> >The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
> >
> >To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> >surprised.
> >
> >Andrew
> >C320 "Dawn Treader"
> >#333
> >
> >
> >On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> >
> >>Andrew,
> >>What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> >>allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> >>true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> >>Bruce
> >>Somerset 741 SoCal
> >>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
>
> Pat Moriarty
> PSI Urethanes Inc
> PH: 800-888-5156 Fax: 512-837-8733
> Please visit our web site at
> www.psiurethanes.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:18:42 +0000
> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Message-ID:
>
> <114565727-1251382726-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1480608303- at bxe1253.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
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> Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including electric.
> Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
> Bruce
> Somerset SoCal
> ------Original Message------
> From: Andrew Santangelo
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
>
> Bruce,
>
> The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
>
> To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> surprised.
>
> Andrew
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> > What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> > allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> > true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> > Bruce
> > Somerset 741 SoCal
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:32:24 -0500
> From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Message-ID: <66C066DEFB2B494F87018F49CEDD8EC2 at jamesweetPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Our slip @ the Sodus Bay Yacht club is $1200 per season so it's about $200
> per month. That's on Lake Ontario and it's pretty representative of the
> costs locally.
>
> Jim Sweet
> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
>
>
> > Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including electric.
> > Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
> > Bruce
> > Somerset SoCal
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Andrew Santangelo
> > Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> > Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
> >
> > To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> > surprised.
> >
> > Andrew
> > C320 "Dawn Treader"
> > #333
> >
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> >> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> >> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> >> Bruce
> >> Somerset 741 SoCal
> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:37:09 +0000
> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Message-ID:
>
> <1990364975-1251383836-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-518864413- at bxe1253.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Jim,
> Floating docks?
> Bruce
> Somerset 671 SoCal
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
>
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:32:24
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
>
>
> Our slip @ the Sodus Bay Yacht club is $1200 per season so it's about $200
> per month. That's on Lake Ontario and it's pretty representative of the
> costs locally.
>
> Jim Sweet
> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
>
>
> > Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including electric.
> > Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
> > Bruce
> > Somerset SoCal
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Andrew Santangelo
> > Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> > Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
> >
> > To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> > surprised.
> >
> > Andrew
> > C320 "Dawn Treader"
> > #333
> >
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> >> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> >> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> >> Bruce
> >> Somerset 741 SoCal
> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:38:19 -0400
> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
> Message-ID: <003301ca2724$0583f380$108bda80$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Just as an FYI on the repair or replace discussion. When I replaced mine, I
> found that Catalina has gone with a thicker gauge aluminum. It's sounding
> more and more like the front corner leak is/was a systemic issue as that is
> where mine appeared...
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Vez
> Solstice #582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rickman
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:17 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
>
> I recently found a welder who repaired the pin hole but he did caution that
> this was temporary
> but probably would get me through the season and winter storage. So this
> winter I plan to
> either get a new one made from Catalina or buy the standard Yanmar parts. I
> have a question
> about the putting the parts together. Is it necessary to put anything on
> the
> threads when fitting
> them together?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
> Affinity 657
> Bay Bridge Marina
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jon Vez <jonvez at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:13:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
>
> Walter, you have two options--you can send your current elbow to Catalina
> and they will make you a new one. Unbelievably (especially for a production
> boat), they don't have these on the shelf and apparently they are all
> slightly different.
> The other option is to 'convert' to a yanmar standard set up, which are
> used
> on newer hulls. If you buy a yanmar stock setup (from a Yanmar
> distributor),
> you need to buy 3 pieces--the riser, a connector and the elbow. Be careful
> though as most of the Catalina custom elbows are 1 5/8" and the standard
> Yanmar is 2"? If you take this route, you have to adapt to your muffler
> intake (where the hose attaches from the exhaust), which will match the 1
> 5/8" hose diameter. Hope this helps...
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Vez
> Solstice #582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Walter
> Schaffer
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:02 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Catalina Custom Exhaust Elbow
>
> Can anyone tell me how I can get a new Catalina Custom Exhaust Elblow. Mine
> has developed a pin hole is is rusting bad... There is a pix of one on the
> Assn. wedsite under tech notes. ?I contacted local Yanmar dealer in
> Annapolis... and was told they have no such part.After taking heat packing
> off mixing elbow, it looks like it connects on engine end to a simple
> exhaust elbow. And the other end hooks to muffler hose.... Engine water
> enters horse shoe mixing elbow...If anyone has dealt with replacement, I
> would appreciate some info.Thanks, Walt Schaffer Bohemian II, #515
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:52:35 -0500
> From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Message-ID: <774B0E53F7694490B41FBC140DC51A9A at jamesweetPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Yep. The bad news is we need to pull them Oct 15th for the season because
> the bay we're on ices up in the winter.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
>
>
> > Jim,
> > Floating docks?
> > Bruce
> > Somerset 671 SoCal
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
> >
> > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:32:24
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> >
> >
> > Our slip @ the Sodus Bay Yacht club is $1200 per season so it's about
> $200
> > per month. That's on Lake Ontario and it's pretty representative of the
> > costs locally.
> >
> > Jim Sweet
> > TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> >
> >
> >> Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including electric.
> >> Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
> >> Bruce
> >> Somerset SoCal
> >> ------Original Message------
> >> From: Andrew Santangelo
> >> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> >> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> >> Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
> >>
> >> Bruce,
> >>
> >> The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
> >>
> >> To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> >> surprised.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> >> #333
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> Andrew,
> >>> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> >>> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> >>> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> >>> Bruce
> >>> Somerset 741 SoCal
> >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:56:08 -0600
> From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Message-ID: <D84F3917-3A46-470C-B72C-480F10914371 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> On Lake Michigan on the Michigan side a slip, with haul out and winter
> storage costs included, would run an average of $400 - $550/month.
> Now you can keep the boat in the water in the winter with bubblers
> running saving you money, however the wear and tear is not worth it.
>
> Of course the bonus here in SFO is sailing all year long (same for FL,
> So Cal, Texas, etc). No haul outs for the winter. The big pain I am
> learning - salt water does age a boat. :-(
>
> -- Andrew
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 8:18 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>
> > Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including
> > electric.
> > Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
> > Bruce
> > Somerset SoCal
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Andrew Santangelo
> > Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> > Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
> >
> > To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> > surprised.
> >
> > Andrew
> > C320 "Dawn Treader"
> > #333
> >
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> >> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> >> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> >> Bruce
> >> Somerset 741 SoCal
> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:06:31 -0700
> From: Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Message-ID: <0191DD48-F2F8-4062-88E5-2173228345C2 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
>
> My slip (35') at Alamitos Bay in Long Beach (S. Cal) is $370 and this
> includes utilities.
>
> Mike P
> 734
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 5:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> > What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> > allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> > true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> > Bruce
> > Somerset 741 SoCal
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
> >
> > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:57:10
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> >
> >
> > Ahhh - the great mooring vs. slip debate
> >
> > I have to say I am a boat slip person for many reasons:
> >
> > * Very easy for crew to get on and off
> > * I am always training new crew. Dock is better for training for
> > newbies.
> > * Guests - easy for them to use the facilities, and even that last
> > minute run to the head (vs. filling up the holding tank on the boat
> > too quickly).
> > * Kids - easy for kids. Easy access to the play ground, stores, and
> > aforementioned head.
> > * Easier cleaning the boat. Crew also helps cleaning boat - having
> > access to dock, hose(s) etc. makes life so much easier.
> > * Dock AC power is fine and very cheap.
> > * Pressure water off dock is fine - no need to wear down the boat's
> > pressure water pump.
> > * Easy access to laundry facilities.
> > * No need to use launch/dingy all the time.
> > * Easier to have marina and fellow slip mates monitor and check on my
> > boat.
> > * Easier for boat servicing by myself and others
> > * Easier loading/unloading gear.
> > * Never had a problem docking. Never a concern.
> >
> > Now a few more comments:
> >
> > * The marinas I have been at have been very quiet. Even 4th of July -
> > by midnight it is dead. I use and live on my boat a lot and to be
> > honest most of the time the marinas are dead silent except for sea
> > gulls and such. Which adds to my surprise statement - there was some
> > concern keeping my boat at Pier 39 on Fisherman's Wharf in downtown
> > San Francisco. The crowds, the noise and the mayhem. The truth be
> > told - at the marina it is very quiet. Shockingly quiet. I would
> > never know I am in a big city. As a matter of fact, in the morning
> > going to work it seems very few people are in SFO. Does any one work
> > before 10:00 AM there???? Also does anyone use their boats there?
> > There are a few live a boards, quiet and very nice, but otherwise the
> > boats just sit and do nothing. So no one will convince me it is
> > loud and rowdy at the marinas I have been at. Rarely see any of it.
> >
> > * Cost. Yes moorings are cheap, but slips are not that bad. I pay
> > under $400/month and it includes $3/day for parking in downtown SFO.
> > That is everything - water, electric, slip. Heck, one cannot park
> > that cheap in SFO! In Michigan it averaged about $400/month and that
> > included the yacht club membership. Either way, this cost is not bad
> > for all the added perks, convenience and time savings.
> >
> > Lastly, I have been a die hard sailor for 26 seasons, and for me the
> > slip is the only way to go. Do I anchor and explore, certainly. But
> > the main base is a slip. Keeps it easy for crew, family, friends,
> > newbies and "Dawn Treader".
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Andrew
> >
> > C320 "Dawn Treader"
> > #333
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:12:28 +0000
> From: "Rick Evans" <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> Message-ID:
>
> <1911303711-1251385932-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1276767105- at bxe1091.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> As for aging a boat. Its 6 of one half a dozen of another as they say.
>
> Keeping the boat in the water all the time is much better for a boat
> structurally. All the loads and pressures are placed on the right stringers
> and stress factors of the boat.
>
> Out of the water especially here in NY the boat sits on stands and with the
> extreme temperature fluctuations the boat and materials expand and contract
> while the ground and the boat stands don't.
>
> This is evident to me in the winter on the hard when I go to my boat and
> the rear state room door doesn't close and the bilge is hard to remove etc.
>
> I'm sure leaving it the water is harder on the finishes but its easier on
> the structure.
>
> Plus I wish I could sail all year long.
>
> Rick 724
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:56:08
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
>
>
> On Lake Michigan on the Michigan side a slip, with haul out and winter
> storage costs included, would run an average of $400 - $550/month.
> Now you can keep the boat in the water in the winter with bubblers
> running saving you money, however the wear and tear is not worth it.
>
> Of course the bonus here in SFO is sailing all year long (same for FL,
> So Cal, Texas, etc). No haul outs for the winter. The big pain I am
> learning - salt water does age a boat. :-(
>
> -- Andrew
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 8:18 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
>
> > Wow, 40' in Dana Point would cost 727 per month not including
> > electric.
> > Are slips more or less in the midwest or east coast?
> > Bruce
> > Somerset SoCal
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Andrew Santangelo
> > Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip
> > Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:07 AM
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > The slip is 40' x 15'. Definitely sounds cheaper up north.
> >
> > To be honest I thought a slip in SFO would cost a fortune. I was
> > surprised.
> >
> > Andrew
> > C320 "Dawn Treader"
> > #333
> >
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:42 AM, bruceheyman at cox.net wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >> What size slip are you in. In Dana Point a 30' slip with the
> >> allowed 3' overhang is costing me 503 per month. Sounds like it is
> >> true that No CA is cheaper than So CA.
> >> Bruce
> >> Somerset 741 SoCal
> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:09:01 -0700
> From: Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Catalina Customer Service
> Message-ID: <4A96AF9D.6060706 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I'm a little hesitant to call Frank Butler. I don't want to be a
> troublesome customer and I don't want to get anyone in trouble but I
> sure would like to have a new fuel tank delivered in a timely manner. I
> emailed my broker who emailed someone at Catalina. So we will see. It
> has been over two weeks since I first called Catalina to order a tank
> and I still haven't been able to place an order.
>
>
>
> Chris Burti wrote:
> > Call Catalina in California and ask to speak with Frank Butler. He will
> > speak with you or will definitely return your call within a couple of
> days
> > at most...usually faster. Tell him what you told us as politley as you
> told
> > us and ask for his assitance.
> >
> > I found him to be a great customer service rep...unusual in that it is
> his
> > company ane he is the CEO...
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I would like to ask your advice on a customer service problem I am
> >> currently experiencing. This is actually a continuation of the saga of
> the
> >> leaky fuel tank. I found the leak, it was on the seam in the lower
> corner. I
> >> called Catalina and said I wanted to order a new tank. The guy I talked
> to
> >> took all my information and said that he would call me back, he was
> going to
> >> check inventory, etc. A week went by and no call back. I called again
> and
> >> got his voice mail. I left a message asking about the status of my
> order.
> >> Another week went by with no call back. I called again and was told that
> he
> >> was on the phone and would I like to leave a message on his voice mail.
> I
> >> said no, and asked the woman to help me. The man I originally talked to
> came
> >> on the line and said that he would email me specs so that I could
> approve
> >> the order, he said that he wanted to make sure that the tank fit. But I
> >> never got an email. So here it is two weeks since I originally tried to
> >> order the tank and I still haven't been able to place an order. It is
> prime
> >> sailing season. In my opinion the weld on the tank was bad otherwise it
> >> should have lasted 20 years or more. I am feeling like I should have
> bought
> >> a Beneteau. What should I do?
> >>
> >> Ken Danko
> >> Grace, #802
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:11:40 -0700
> From: Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
> Message-ID: <4A96B03C.6090703 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Larry:
>
> I'm starting to get desperate enough to try a fix like this. Everyone I
> talk to at various boat yards tells me that these solutions are only
> temporary and that the tank will develop a new leak soon after fixing
> the old leak.
>
> The problem as I see it is the great effort it takes to replace tanks. I
> really don't want to do it twice if I can help it.
>
> Ken
>
> Melissa&Larry Leibman wrote:
> > Ken,
> >
> > If you know you are going to replace the tank anyway, I'm wondering if a
> repair product like the one at the link below would be a temporary fix just
> to keep you sailing in the meantime:
> >
> >
> http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1297554&kw=gas+tank&origkw=gas+tank&searchId=43201106574
> >
> > Not sure if this particular one is good for diesel but they must have
> similar stuff for that.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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