[C320-list] Mooring or Slip

[Jack McDonough]

Andrew:

Holy cow. You have it all, man.

And I'm astounded by those slip rates in SFO. I should add that, while our 
club doesn't have slips, it does have a good-sized dock to which we can 
bring the boat for water, fuel, washing, loading stores for cruises, etc. 
But I wouldn't want to bring the boat in at 4 a.m. to catch a flight.

cheers

jack #947







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Santangelo" <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mooring or Slip


> Jack,
>
> I am pretty certain on the cost for the slip - I have been paying for  it 
> since April 2009.  Check out http://www.pier39marina.com/sliprental.htm 
> which list the rates (plus check out http://www.pier39marina.com/  and 
> http://www.pier39.com/index.cfm).  I will tell you I was shocked  at the 
> low cost, but I am not complaining.  The facilities are  excellent, 
> parking is well lit and secure, very safe area and I am  right down town 
> where all the fun is.  PLUS - Fantastic restaurants in  the area.  Again, 
> it is quiet here at Pier 39.  Very silent after 9:00  PM.  Yeah, I am 
> stunned too.
>
> And I am sure you know the most expensive homes are in the SFO area.
>
> No need to sell my home.  I live in a very large home in New Mexico (4 
> kids with me mind you, so it does not feel that large) with a  beautiful 
> view of the Sandia Mountains (not to mention very stable  economy, my 
> space research business is here, etc).  Second home,  vacation home now, 
> in Holland, is a good get away, however it will  become at rental again 
> soon, so I won't be selling that.
>
> However having the boat in SFO is wonderful.  A great place for  sailing 
> and relaxing.  Plus when I am up in the area consulting -  about once a 
> month - I have a very cheap place to stay in a fantastic  location.
>
> Now each boat/Captain has different requirements:
>
> * Crew: I run a Venturing Sea Scout ship, race and cruise with the  boat. 
> Crew has run from just myself to up to 8 others staying on the  boat (yeah 
> you read that correctly).  Certainly when racing we run 4 -  6 on board. 
> Cruising I have between 2 - 8 on the vessel.
> * Launch: It is a pain for me for several reasons.  Example 1 - I had  to 
> leave for a flight at 4:00 AM.  Needless to say would not want a  launch 
> at 4:00 AM. Example 2: Though I use the shower on the boat, I  love the 
> nice walk early in the morning to the showers at the club,  which is 
> around 6:00 AM.  Hate to use a launch for that.  Example 3:  was at a 
> design review at NASA until 11:30 PM.  Add the drive, I was  not about to 
> dingy it to the boat at 12:30 AM.  Either way I love the  convenience of 
> getting on and off the boat on a whim - especially when  working on it. 
> Have I used a dingy?  Yes, I own one.  Used it at  anchorages and such, 
> but no need for one parked at home base.
> * Gear: depends on the crew size from minimal to lots.  Plus food.   And 
> if racing, we are moving on and off the boat an inventory of up to  8 
> sails (depends on race, conditions, etc).
> * Using the head: Well I do training sessions on the boat.  It is a  pain 
> after a bit to send everyone back on the launch to use the head.   Now the 
> guys go over the side sometimes, but it makes for an awkward  moment for 
> the ladies in a marina.
> *  Kids: I have four of them (9, 13, 17, 19).  Plus the Sea Scouts.   You 
> get the idea.  BTW - these kids took 1st place overall in a Spring  Race 
> Series, beating some very good teams, all adults.  Yeah, I was  shocked 
> too!  I had a nice cruise with 7 kids to Sausalito in July,  and they did 
> wonderful under sail, especially when close hauled in 25  knots of wind.
> * Laundry:  My laundry facilities are in New Mexico.  A bit expensive  of 
> a commute.
>
> Best Regards,
> Andrew
>
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
>
> I can tell you I love the spot very peaceful where I am at - like I  said 
> no one shows up to their boat!
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Jack McDonough wrote:
>
>> Andrew:
>>
>> Less than $400 a month, including parking? You live in LaLa land.  Two 
>> nights at a slip in downtown Boston, with shore power, costs  nearly that 
>> much. Houses in SF must be in the $25,000-$50,000 range.
>>
>> Slips are easier for the crew to get on and off? The crew is Bet,  for 
>> whom Sure Bet is named. She and I manage just fine with launch  service. 
>> (There are no slips at our club.) Loading and unloading  gear? Usually no 
>> more than three bags. What's the problem? Guests?  Let them use the head 
>> in the club before they get on the launch.  Kids? The grandchildren. Once 
>> a season. On the launch.  Laundry  facilities? The washer/dryer is just 
>> steps from the master bedroom  of our condo.
>>
>> If you're paying less than $400 a month for a slip in SF, I'd  recommend 
>> selling your house and moving onto the boat. But don't  ever move to the 
>> northeast.
>>
>> jack
>> #947
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