[C320-list] Mooring or Slip

[Andrew Santangelo]

Jack,

I am pretty certain on the cost for the slip - I have been paying for  
it since April 2009.  Check out http://www.pier39marina.com/sliprental.htm 
  which list the rates (plus check out http://www.pier39marina.com/  
and http://www.pier39.com/index.cfm).  I will tell you I was shocked  
at the low cost, but I am not complaining.  The facilities are  
excellent, parking is well lit and secure, very safe area and I am  
right down town where all the fun is.  PLUS - Fantastic restaurants in  
the area.  Again, it is quiet here at Pier 39.  Very silent after 9:00  
PM.  Yeah, I am stunned too.

And I am sure you know the most expensive homes are in the SFO area.

No need to sell my home.  I live in a very large home in New Mexico (4  
kids with me mind you, so it does not feel that large) with a  
beautiful view of the Sandia Mountains (not to mention very stable  
economy, my space research business is here, etc).  Second home,  
vacation home now, in Holland, is a good get away, however it will  
become at rental again soon, so I won't be selling that.

However having the boat in SFO is wonderful.  A great place for  
sailing and relaxing.  Plus when I am up in the area consulting -  
about once a month - I have a very cheap place to stay in a fantastic  
location.

Now each boat/Captain has different requirements:

* Crew: I run a Venturing Sea Scout ship, race and cruise with the  
boat.  Crew has run from just myself to up to 8 others staying on the  
boat (yeah you read that correctly).  Certainly when racing we run 4 -  
6 on board. Cruising I have between 2 - 8 on the vessel.
* Launch: It is a pain for me for several reasons.  Example 1 - I had  
to leave for a flight at 4:00 AM.  Needless to say would not want a  
launch at 4:00 AM. Example 2: Though I use the shower on the boat, I  
love the nice walk early in the morning to the showers at the club,  
which is around 6:00 AM.  Hate to use a launch for that.  Example 3:  
was at a design review at NASA until 11:30 PM.  Add the drive, I was  
not about to dingy it to the boat at 12:30 AM.  Either way I love the  
convenience of getting on and off the boat on a whim - especially when  
working on it.  Have I used a dingy?  Yes, I own one.  Used it at  
anchorages and such, but no need for one parked at home base.
* Gear: depends on the crew size from minimal to lots.  Plus food.   
And if racing, we are moving on and off the boat an inventory of up to  
8 sails (depends on race, conditions, etc).
* Using the head: Well I do training sessions on the boat.  It is a  
pain after a bit to send everyone back on the launch to use the head.   
Now the guys go over the side sometimes, but it makes for an awkward  
moment for the ladies in a marina.
*  Kids: I have four of them (9, 13, 17, 19).  Plus the Sea Scouts.   
You get the idea.  BTW - these kids took 1st place overall in a Spring  
Race Series, beating some very good teams, all adults.  Yeah, I was  
shocked too!  I had a nice cruise with 7 kids to Sausalito in July,  
and they did wonderful under sail, especially when close hauled in 25  
knots of wind.
* Laundry:  My laundry facilities are in New Mexico.  A bit expensive  
of a commute.

Best Regards,
Andrew

C320 "Dawn Treader"
#333



I can tell you I love the spot very peaceful where I am at - like I  
said no one shows up to their boat!
On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Jack McDonough wrote:

> Andrew:
>
> Less than $400 a month, including parking? You live in LaLa land.  
> Two nights at a slip in downtown Boston, with shore power, costs  
> nearly that much. Houses in SF must be in the $25,000-$50,000 range.
>
> Slips are easier for the crew to get on and off? The crew is Bet,  
> for whom Sure Bet is named. She and I manage just fine with launch  
> service. (There are no slips at our club.) Loading and unloading  
> gear? Usually no more than three bags. What's the problem? Guests?  
> Let them use the head in the club before they get on the launch.  
> Kids? The grandchildren. Once a season. On the launch.  Laundry  
> facilities? The washer/dryer is just steps from the master bedroom  
> of our condo.
>
> If you're paying less than $400 a month for a slip in SF, I'd  
> recommend selling your house and moving onto the boat. But don't  
> ever move to the northeast.
>
> jack
> #947