[C320-list] Seperate starting battery or......

[Chris Burti]

How about sending it to me for inclusion as an article in the Mainsheet??

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Brad, I have a binder on my battery project with circuit diagrams, cable
> list, equip. purchased, etc. You are welcome to borrow it (Brad is two
> slips
> from us,) and come onboard to see how it looks.
>
> For others, I have a document with pictures I'm happy to share. Off-list,
> send me an address and I'll return a CD.
>
> There are a number of ways to approach a battery upgrade project. Mine is
> only one; but, follows the approach of "Battery Upgrade #2" from the web
> site.
>
> Many thanks to Jeff Hare who was a major help in planning this project.
>  I'm
> obligated to pass it on.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kuether [mailto:bkuether at comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:11 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Seperate starting battery or......
>
> I took a look in that area last weekend when I was checking the water level
> in the 4Ds.
>
> You CAN, get a group 27 in there, however has anyone thought of putting two
> of the little golf cart batteries there instead?
>
> I would also like to understand what a typical bill of materials would look
> like for a seperate starting battery installation, minus the battery.  (It
> would make a great update on the 320I website)
>
> My goal is to get this boat to the point I can do an entire week without
> worrying about running out of juice.  As you can see I am starting on the
> other end by minimizing the wattage requirements....  (LEDs)
>
> -Brad, Mary, Monica, and Jarod
> "Independence"
> 2004 Catalina 320 Hull 1006
> Middle River, MD
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re: Re Batteries & Fridge
>
>
> > Jack, there is room forward of your current batteries. I've done it as
> > well
> > as many on this list. I use a Group 27 AGM (all my batteries are AGM)--
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> > McDonough
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:11 PM
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re: Re Batteries & Fridge
> >
> > Karl:
> >
> > This is all good information. I guess there might be room forward of my
> > two
> > existing batteries. (Aft of them is the holding tank.)
> > We've got a number of Catalinas in our club. I'll ask around and see if
> > others have done something like you describe.
> >
> > jack
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> > To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:59 PM
> > Subject: [C320-list] Fwd: Re: Re Batteries & Fridge
> >
> >
> >> Jack,
> >>
> >> On my 2000 model (hull 690) I found plenty of room to install the
> >> starting
> >
> >> battery just forward of the 2 4D's (which I turned into 4 GC2 golf car
> >> batteries).
> >> Being that this is a starting battery and should not get drawn down like
> >> the house bank, you do not need a deep-cycle battery or a "combo"
> battery
> >> for that matter. I happened to use a group 42 Walmart auto battery. I
> >> wanted lots of cranking amps and side terminals. Others will tell you
> you
> >> need the thicker plates and more rugged construction of a "made for a
> >> boat" battery but this auto battery is working fine for me.
> >>
> >
>
> http://www.catalina320.com/mediagallery/media.php?f=0&sort=0&s=2008111614275
> > 2219
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Karl Mielenhausen
> >>
> >> ------- Forwarded message -------
> >> From: "Jack McDonough" <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
> >> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> >> Cc:
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Re Batteries & Fridge
> >> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:33:01 -0400
> >>
> >> Bob:
> >>
> >> Having grown up in Dover, I'm very familiar with Great Bay. Driving
> south
> >>  from Dover, the marina is off to the right as one croses the bridge, if
> >> I'm
> >> correct. Off to the left, before the bridge, a number of boats are on
> >> moorings. I always wonder how the owners get to them.
> >>
> >> Your battery configuration makes sense. I only wonder where you found
> the
> >> space to install a separate starting battery. And what is it? A 12-volt
> >> Sears marine battery? Also, although I have done my share of house
> wiring
> >> (outlets, etc., mostly with 14-2 wire) and I installed new wiring and
> >> lights
> >> on our old Pearson 27, I'm reluctant to mess around with battery wiring
> >> because I wouldn't really know what I was doing.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, I'll continue to start the engine on Both and then switch
> from
> >> 1
> >> to 2 as appropriate to keep both batteries charged.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the tutorial. I'm only an hour away from Great Bay and would
> >> like
> >> to see your boat some time.
> >>
> >> jack
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> >> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:40 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Re Batteries & Fridge
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jack, we're on a mooring at Great Bay Marina, six miles up the
> >>> Piscataqua river from Portsmouth harbor, and wouldn't have it any
>  other
> >>> way.
> >>> Our reasons were:  Cheaper, less hassle than docking (although we can
> >>> do that), and no noise (as would occur on a dock) from late night
> >>> revelers returning from a night out.  We even have solutions to the
> >>> fresh water/AC power/AC cooling issues.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding batteries:  Yes, the alternator only charges whatever
>  battery
> >>> the master switch is set to (1, 2, or Both), so you must  choose
> >>> accordingly.  What I (and many others) have done is to  substitute a
> >>> dedicated starting battery for battery 1, then connect  the original
> >>> battery 1 in parallel with battery 2.  Then use battery 2  for
> >>> everything; having battery 1 as backup for starting if you drain
>  (both)
> >>> batteries connected to battery 2.  Regarding moving the battery  switch
> >>> while under power, the switch is of the 'make before break'  type.  If
> >>> you look at the switch, it's impossible to pass through the  'off'
> >>> position when selecting either battery or both.  Thus, the  alternator
> >>> is never disconnected from a battery unless you turn the  switch to
> >>> off.
> >
> >>> When I upgraded the charging system on our boat, I ran  the (heavy
> >>> gauge) alternator output cables directly (through a 150 amp  fuse at
> the
> >>> batteries) to the battery bank rather than to the switch,  again making
> >>> it impossible to disconnect the alternator from the  batteries.
> >>>
> >>> Bob Seastream
> >>> Intuition # 906
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Jack McDonough wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Irv:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, I'm sure you're right about all that. The first time we used
> >>>> shore power, I had to enlist the expertise of our daughter, the
> >>>> engineer, to read the wiring schematic and advise me what to do. So
> >>>> you see where I'm coming from.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> jack
> >>>> 2003  #947
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com
> >
> >>>> To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:03 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Re Batteries & Fridge
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jack,
> >>>>> I'm not sure but I think that the engine alternator only charges  the
> >>>>> battery
> >>>>> that it is connected to.
> >>>>> So if you use both batteries to start, leave it there until you  shut
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> down, then you will be putting charge into both batteries.
> >>>>> One thing that I am sure of is that if you have both batteries
> >>>>> connected in
> >>>>> parallel, the higher charged battery will send current to the lower
> >>>>> charged
> >>>>> battery until both are at equilibrium.  So you lose the advantage  of
> >>>>> having
> >>>>> at least one battery with a higher charge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Irv Grunes
> >>>>> 2001 #851
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Jack McDonough
> >>>>> <mcdonough5 at verizon.net
> >>>>> >wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Irv:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I always start the engine on Both (or ALL), to make certain I have
> >>>>>> enough
> >>>>>> juice to get it  going. Then I switch to either 1 or 2. I don't
> >>>>>> understand
> >>>>>> what you mean when you say to switch to 1 or 2 after you STOP  the
> >>>>>> engine.
> >>>>>> Why not switch while it's running? Once it's stopped, what
> >>>>>> difference does
> >>>>>> it make which battery setting you're on unless you're running
> >>>>>> refrigeration
> >>>>>> or lights or something else?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have discussed this battery subject over the years with any
>  number
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> boat owners and yacht yard personnel. I have learned that
> >>>>>> (1) it's OK to run it on All; (2) It's not wise to run it on All;
> >>>>>> (3) It's
> >>>>>> OK to switch batteries while the engine is running (but, of  course,
> >>>>>> don't
> >>>>>> turn it to Off.); (4) Everything in 1, 2 and 3 is right. (5)
> >>>>>> Everything in
> >>>>>> 1,2 and 3 is wrong. In other words, ask 10 people and you'll get 10
> >>>>>> different answers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On a totally different subject, am I the only 320 owner on the
> >>>>>> planet whose
> >>>>>> boat is on a mooring? Everyone else on this 320 website seems to  be
> >>>>>> at a
> >>>>>> slip.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> jack
> >>>>>> #947
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irving Grunes" <
> igrunes at gmail.com
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:42 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Re Batteries & Fridge
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brad,
> >>>>>>> No sense FREAKING
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is not advisable to ever have the batteries on both because
>  then
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> higher battery will try to charge toe lower battery with the end
> >>>>>>> result
> >>>>>>> two
> >>>>>>> lower batteries.
> >>>>>>> If you try to start the engine and either of the batteries won't
>  do
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> independently, then connect to both to get a little more power.
> >>>>>>> Keep them
> >>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>> both until you stop the engine and go back to 1 or 2
> >>>>>>> If you are out and know you will be running the engine for a
>  while,
> >>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>> put
> >>>>>>> the batteries to both so the engine generator will be charging
> >>>>>>> both. As
> >>>>>>> soon
> >>>>>>> as you stop the engine go back to 1 or 2
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Re the fridge. When in the slip, with the charger on, the charger
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> connected to each battery independently.so there is no advantage
>  to
> >>>>>>> having
> >>>>>>> them on both. So leave the switch on one or two
> >>>>>>> If you leave the fridge on and for some reason you lose dock
>  power,
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> charger turns off and the fridge will just knock down the one
> >>>>>>> battery and
> >>>>>>> not both. Thats why you only want one battery on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> At our slip on Sue Creek, the dock power is very sensitive to
> >>>>>>> lightening
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> so we just don't leave the fridge on.  And since the fridge cools
> >>>>>>> off
> >>>>>>> quickly, and  by the time we want a beer, its cold.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hope this helps the question on the battery switch position
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Irv Grunes
> >>>>>>> 2001 #851
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Karl Mielenhausen
> >> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> >> New Bern, NC
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


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