[C320-list] Seating Chain Plates

[Pat Kenefick]

Can anyone give me some guidance on reseating the chain plates ? My boat is 
a 2001 and beginning to see some minor evidence of potential leaking on 1 
unit, so over the winter months here in NC I might be able to gather enough 
good days to work on this project. What seems to be concerning to me is 
breaking loose the plate in the cabin thus releasing it up top.
Thank you
Pat Kenefick
Hull 833
Bath, NC
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>   1. Re: 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow (amshd2 at aol.com)
>   2. Re: 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow (Pat Moriarty)
>   3. Re: Membership (jim brown)
>   4. Re: 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow (pat reynolds)
>   5. Re: 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow (Warren Updike)
>   6. Re: Membership (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:50:47 -0500
> From: amshd2 at aol.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
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>
> PAT
>
> Where did you get your new one.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 8:28 am
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
>
>
> I did basically the same thing on 1994 boat. I think the bottom flexed too 
> much with exhaust pressure and caused the seam failure. Repaired several 
> times and finally got a new one.
>
> Pat #130
>
> At 09:12 PM 12/2/2009, you wrote:
>>Rollie:
>>
>>The muffler was designed to be held down on only three corners. I would
>>not suggest your modifying it! Our 1994, #150 started leaking at the
>>bottom seam about 6 years ago. I had it repaired twice by a fiberglass
>>shop and I did a repair once myself. I think part of the problem is that
>>vibration between the engine and the fixed muffler is what caused the
>>seperations. I think by your tightening the screws, you might be adding
>>to the problem. On the replacement muffler, I did not attach it to the
>>platform it sits on. The two hoses attached to it hold it in place. I
>>placed a thin foam pad underneath the muffler to avoid abrasion/chaffing
>>of the muffler or platform.
>>
>>The hose you describe with the 3" bulb in it I think is designed to
>>absorbe some of the vibrations. I had looked at them when I made the
>>replacement, but decided to leave the muffler "float" to avoid putting
>>stress on the muffler. I believe it was referred to as a Hump Hose.
>>
>>Dave Gleason
>>Proud Mary, #150
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:47:58 +0000 (UTC) argates2nd at comcast.net writes:
>> >
>> > Our 1995 model #182 has only 3 screws holding down the aqua lift
>> > muffler? The aft port corner has no hole and no screw. Is that
>> > normal?
>> >
>> > Should I try to add a screw to that corner by drilling a hole and
>> > self threading with the screw?
>> >
>> > I may have some leaking from that corner, although the other 3
>> > screws were not very tight and I tightened them today but did not
>> > run the engine afterwards.
>> >
>> >
>> > Our Perkins does not seem to have an exhaust elbow like those
>> > described in recent e-mails? The closest thing to it is a 9 inch
>> > pipe with a 3" bulb in the center where a 60 degree downward curve
>> > exists coming off the aft end of the engine, labeled "exhaust
>> > outlet" in the Perkins manual, which clamps to the reinforced hose
>> > before the muffler.
>> >
>> > Is that the elbow that should be removed from the back of the engine
>> > and checked for carbon build up & deterioration?
>> >
>> > Our Perkins engine has 570 hours.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Rollie Punta Gorda, FL
>> >
>>
>>____________________________________________________________
>>Hotel
>>Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online.
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>
> Pat Moriarty
> PSI Urethanes Inc
> PH: 800-888-5156 Fax: 512-837-8733
> Please visit our web site at
> www.psiurethanes.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:59:07 -0600
> From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
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> Catalina, but I had the original drawing and the replacement was
> about 95% correct. They want you to send in your old one and they
> will make to match which is critical on the input and output. I live
> in Texas and we do not have an off season so I just went with the
> drawing and my new one doesn't really lay on the sole but I don't
> care since I put a urethane pad under it so there is no rattle or
> hum.  I am betting there is less stress on the whole thing not being
> screwed down and then having the engine tug on it with the very short
> stiff exhaust hose.
>
> At 09:50 AM 12/3/2009, you wrote:
>
>>PAT
>>
>>Where did you get your new one.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com>
>>To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 8:28 am
>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
>>
>>
>>I did basically the same thing on 1994 boat. I think the bottom
>>flexed too much with exhaust pressure and caused the seam failure.
>>Repaired several times and finally got a new one.
>>
>>Pat #130
>>
>>At 09:12 PM 12/2/2009, you wrote:
>> >Rollie:
>> >
>> >The muffler was designed to be held down on only three corners. I would
>> >not suggest your modifying it! Our 1994, #150 started leaking at the
>> >bottom seam about 6 years ago. I had it repaired twice by a fiberglass
>> >shop and I did a repair once myself. I think part of the problem is that
>> >vibration between the engine and the fixed muffler is what caused the
>> >seperations. I think by your tightening the screws, you might be adding
>> >to the problem. On the replacement muffler, I did not attach it to the
>> >platform it sits on. The two hoses attached to it hold it in place. I
>> >placed a thin foam pad underneath the muffler to avoid abrasion/chaffing
>> >of the muffler or platform.
>> >
>> >The hose you describe with the 3" bulb in it I think is designed to
>> >absorbe some of the vibrations. I had looked at them when I made the
>> >replacement, but decided to leave the muffler "float" to avoid putting
>> >stress on the muffler. I believe it was referred to as a Hump Hose.
>> >
>> >Dave Gleason
>> >Proud Mary, #150
>> >
>> >
>> >On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:47:58 +0000 (UTC) argates2nd at comcast.net writes:
>> > >
>> > > Our 1995 model #182 has only 3 screws holding down the aqua lift
>> > > muffler? The aft port corner has no hole and no screw. Is that
>> > > normal?
>> > >
>> > > Should I try to add a screw to that corner by drilling a hole and
>> > > self threading with the screw?
>> > >
>> > > I may have some leaking from that corner, although the other 3
>> > > screws were not very tight and I tightened them today but did not
>> > > run the engine afterwards.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Our Perkins does not seem to have an exhaust elbow like those
>> > > described in recent e-mails? The closest thing to it is a 9 inch
>> > > pipe with a 3" bulb in the center where a 60 degree downward curve
>> > > exists coming off the aft end of the engine, labeled "exhaust
>> > > outlet" in the Perkins manual, which clamps to the reinforced hose
>> > > before the muffler.
>> > >
>> > > Is that the elbow that should be removed from the back of the engine
>> > > and checked for carbon build up & deterioration?
>> > >
>> > > Our Perkins engine has 570 hours.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks, Rollie Punta Gorda, FL
>> > >
>> >
>> >____________________________________________________________
>> >Hotel
>> >Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online.
>> >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=QCuhnyd9MzEwHhxjKWk5M
>> wAAJ1BDY27WE-_hJ6PiyojBOv0KAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA=
>>
>>
>>Pat Moriarty
>>PSI Urethanes Inc
>>PH: 800-888-5156 Fax: 512-837-8733
>>Please visit our web site at
>>www.psiurethanes.com
>>
>
> Pat Moriarty
> PSI Urethanes Inc
> PH: 800-888-5156  Fax: 512-837-8733
> Please visit our web site at
> www.psiurethanes.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:56:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Membership
> Message-ID: <766307.78316.qm at web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Karl,
> I thought that there was a list on the website that listed members of the 
> association and when their membership was up. Was I thinking of another 
> organization or site?
>
> Jim Brown
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Karl Mielenhausen _/) <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> To: C320IA Discussion List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 4:07:54 AM
> Subject: [C320-list] Membership
>
> Fellow owners,
>
> How much money or time have you saved this year by being a member of the 
> C320 discussion list or by finding reference info on our website?
> Are you a dues paying member of the C320IA, the group that underwrites the 
> cost of this list and the association website?
> Are you getting the Mainsheet magazine and seeing information from the 
> other Catalina associations and technical information on other boat 
> models, much of which is applicable to the 320?
>
> I am proud that we are one of the stronger associations but we need YOUR 
> help to keep it that way. If you are not a dues-paying member, please 
> consider joining. At $24, it's the best bargain in boating!!
> Better yet, contact one of the officers and volunteer you time and talent.
>
> And to you non-owner, lurkers out there: you too can join the association, 
> even prior to buying your Catalina.
>
> Link to membership (we prefer PayPal, but will take a check- US$):
> http://www.catalina320.com/staticpages/index.php?page=_IA_MembershipForm
>
> Link to officers:
> http://www.catalina320.com/staticpages/index.php?page=_IA_ContactForm
>
> Link to more info on membership benefits:
> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=97
>
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Commodore, C320IA
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:06:04 -0800 (PST)
> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
> Message-ID: <563424.40955.qm at web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Rollie, my 1995 (249) has a westerbeke engine but I assume the same 
> muffler was used.  Mine also had no screw at the aft port quarter probably 
> since the area is difficult to get to.  The lack of the screw should have 
> no bearing on a leak since the lip of the muffler is solid glass.  The 
> actual enclosed box is the muffler.  Mine developed a leak under the 
> intake neck closest to the engine after 12 years.  The water can run down 
> and end up most anywhere.  Check under both inlets while the engine is 
> running to see if you can feel water.  Vibration over the years is 
> probably the cause
>
> If you need to replace the muffler thru Catalina send the old one back and 
> not just a picture.  I ordered a new one and the height and inlet angles 
> were quite different even tho they said I should just send a photo.
>
> Pat R.
>
> --- On Wed, 12/2/09, argates2nd at comcast.net <argates2nd at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> From: argates2nd at comcast.net <argates2nd at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 4:47 PM
>>
>> Our 1995 model #182 has only 3 screws holding down the aqua
>> lift muffler? The aft port corner has no hole and no screw.
>> Is that normal?
>>
>> Should I try to add a screw to that corner by drilling a
>> hole and self threading with the screw?
>>
>> I may have some leaking from that corner, although the
>> other 3 screws were not very tight and I tightened them
>> today but did not run the engine afterwards.
>>
>>
>> Our Perkins does not seem to have an exhaust elbow like
>> those described in recent e-mails? The closest thing to it
>> is a 9 inch pipe with a 3" bulb in the center where a 60
>> degree downward curve exists coming off the aft end of the
>> engine, labeled "exhaust outlet" in the Perkins manual,
>> which clamps to the reinforced hose before the muffler.
>>
>> Is that the elbow that should be removed from the back of
>> the engine and checked for carbon build up &
>> deterioration?
>>
>> Our Perkins engine has 570 hours.
>>
>> Thanks, Rollie Punta Gorda, FL
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:08:57 -0500
> From: "Warren Updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
> Message-ID: <BAY114-DS18ABA975EE8CFBC93352DBE940 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Rollie, what I understand is the Perkins elbow is cast iron and make by 
> Perkins for this engine. Some of the (early) Yanmars had non-cast iron 
> elbow made by or for Catalina.
>
> We have over 1,400 hrs on #62 and the one time I inspected the elbow 
> (about 800hrs,)it looked just fine with no build-up. I do run my engine up 
> to operating temp each time we go out; and, run it for a few minutes at 
> low revs before shutting down. I hear that has a lot to do with the degree 
> of carbonization in the exhaust system, not to mention the contamination 
> of the engine oil. My rule: when I run it, I run it hard. I cruise at 
> 2,700RPM which is about 5-6 kts. depending on wind and tide.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: argates2nd at comcast.net [mailto:argates2nd at comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:48 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
>
>
> Our 1995 model #182 has only 3 screws holding down the aqua lift muffler? 
> The aft port corner has no hole and no screw. Is that normal?
>
> Should I try to add a screw to that corner by drilling a hole and self 
> threading with the screw?
>
> I may have some leaking from that corner, although the other 3 screws were 
> not very tight and I tightened them today but did not run the engine 
> afterwards.
>
>
> Our Perkins does not seem to have an exhaust elbow like those described in 
> recent e-mails? The closest thing to it is a 9 inch pipe with a 3" bulb in 
> the center where a 60 degree downward curve exists coming off the aft end 
> of the engine, labeled "exhaust outlet" in the Perkins manual, which 
> clamps to the reinforced hose before the muffler.
>
> Is that the elbow that should be removed from the back of the engine and 
> checked for carbon build up & deterioration?
>
> Our Perkins engine has 570 hours.
>
> Thanks, Rollie Punta Gorda, FL
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:18:15 -0500
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Membership
> Message-ID: <op.u4dmkpkmsuzdm5 at presarios4000nx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
>
> Jim,
> You are correct... That used to be a feature of the hull number listing,
> but it was quite labor intensive to maintain. Jeff removed that field
> about 2 years ago.
> He is currently redo-ing that feature on the website and we should be able
> to make a direct feed from our membership records.
> BTW, you are paid up through March 2010 (the Feb Mainsheet).
> Hope to see you soon....
>
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:56:51 -0500, jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Karl,
>> I thought that there was a list on the website that listed members of
>> the association and when their membership was up. Was I thinking of
>> another organization or site?
>>
>> Jim Brown
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Karl Mielenhausen _/) <c320 at suddenlink.net>
>> To: C320IA Discussion List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 4:07:54 AM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Membership
>>
>> Fellow owners,
>>
>> How much money or time have you saved this year by being a member of the
>> C320 discussion list or by finding reference info on our website?
>> Are you a dues paying member of the C320IA, the group that underwrites
>> the cost of this list and the association website?
>> Are you getting the Mainsheet magazine and seeing information from the
>> other Catalina associations and technical information on other boat
>> models, much of which is applicable to the 320?
>>
>> I am proud that we are one of the stronger associations but we need YOUR
>> help to keep it that way. If you are not a dues-paying member, please
>> consider joining. At $24, it's the best bargain in boating!!
>> Better yet, contact one of the officers and volunteer you time and
>> talent.
>>
>> And to you non-owner, lurkers out there: you too can join the
>> association, even prior to buying your Catalina.
>>
>> Link to membership (we prefer PayPal, but will take a check- US$):
>> http://www.catalina320.com/staticpages/index.php?page=_IA_MembershipForm
>>
>> Link to officers:
>> http://www.catalina320.com/staticpages/index.php?page=_IA_ContactForm
>>
>> Link to more info on membership benefits:
>> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=97
>>
>> Karl Mielenhausen
>> Commodore, C320IA
>> Catalina 320 Hull 690
>> New Bern, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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